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General Discussion, Thursday, December 8, 2016
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Happy Thursday! Have a cookie?
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what is with people who bite the arms and legs off of gingerbread cookies and wings off of angel cookies and think it is funny….like biting off the chocolate Easter bunny ears first and making a joke about not hearing the church bell ringing….
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I personally like to waterboard the little buggers in a cup of hot chocolate…just a personal preference.
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LOL
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I am wichuse…..dunkin is not just a donut…it is a preference in life…..
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Yeah, it’s tough to go cold turkey and leave the job completely behind.
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Enjoy them with a nice
refreshing cup of tea. 😉
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Mary!!! Remembering my Aunt’s Christmas cookies………
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THose are beautiful. I tried doing Gingerbread cookies for the neighbors. They were so pathetic they were cute…
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With me it was shortbread cookies until the carbs extracted their revenge. Yeahhhhhhh, shortbread cookies and peanut brittle…
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I love shortbread. All that butter …
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My DIL makes wonderful refrigerator cookies. I was never good at it, though I tried.
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Gettin’ closer to Friday. Coffee up y’all.
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Thank you Tex, had to return home, grab my thermals chilly, 28*, West wind at 10. I’ll just sit in the wrangler, enjoy my coffee.
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love my 1988 jeep wrangler laredo…..favorite vehicle….great place for coffee, or snowcones in summer….my dogs like it too.
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Yeah, we’re looking at two nights of around 28 before it jumps back up to the mid-50s at night. OTC cold remedy sellers are looking at big family Christmases.
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Don’t mind the cold air temps, it’s the wind.
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If it ain’t one thing it’s another.
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Today is an important feast day for Catholics: The Feast of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. A particular song is noted for this day: Immaculate Mary, based on a folk tune from the Pyrenees. If sung correctly, it’s beauitful; otherwise it’s a caterwauling dirge as Catholics listening to bad church choirs can attest to.
I do not wish to engage in doctrinal discussions about Mary. Please just enjoy the music. Here is a beautiful rendition: a trio sings in French, then the choir in English:
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Latin….Latin….my kingdom for Latin….French…not so much….:)
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but music is beautiful….
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Thank you Impeach
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Thank you ZM…..
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TY That was lovely.
One of my favorite songs…is Mary Did You Know?
Mary did you know, that your baby boy, will calm a storm with his hand?
Did you know that, your baby boy, has walked where angels trod?
And when you kiss your little baby, you have kissed the face of God.
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This is the first song I heard at mass when I was first thinking about becoming Catholic.
But that is not why it holds such a dear spot in my heart. Like most people we had our regular area where we would sit in the great pew scheme. There was a large hispanic woman and her husband who sat behind us. For most songs our voices just all blended in but when we sang Immaculate Mary this lovely woman would belt it out like it was a closing number on Broadway.
People that weren’t regulars would turn around to look. She never seemed to notice. I loved it. Every time she sang it her joy and love was so abundant that it was infectious.
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Wonderful story!
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It is a wonderful memory!
How are things your way? The anticipation of the first holidays after someone passes are always the hardest. You are all in my prayers, imagine how bright the Christmas Light of World of Earth and Heaven must be on the other side.
May the blessing of peace be with you this season.
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Thank you, lovely. I just chatted with my mom. There is still a lot of activity — people visiting, organizing things — so she is occupied, but I know my mom is having a tough adjustment. Thank you for your prayers.
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Belated condolences to you and your family, ZM. I was not around when you shared the news. Prayers for all of you, including your dad.
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Thank you, Pam.
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I also did not know your dad had passed, ZM. Prayers for you and your family, and for him.
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ZM, my condolences on your father’s passing. Always remember the good, My thoughts and Prayers.
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Thank you, Colonel.
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Thank you. Much appreciated.
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ZurichMike – I’m so sorry for your loss. Prayers lifted up for you and your family.
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Thank you very much.
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US judge reverses order
requiring vote recount in Michigan
A federal judge in Michigan on Wednesday revoked his order requiring a recount of the state’s presidential vote sought by Jill Stein, siding with a state appeals court that found the Green Party candidate had no grounds to mount the challenge.
U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith’s ruling has the effect of halting the recount in Michigan, at least for now, following conflicting rulings a day earlier by federal and state appeals courts.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/us-judge-reverses-order-requiring-vote-recount-in-michigan.html
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Next?
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Dang, now they’re going to riot and demand lots of money and loot and kill and destroy and turn our beautiful Detroit into a shadows of what they once were!!
Whoops, they already did that.
http://sainthoward.blogspot.com/2016/03/city-in-ruins-palmyra-vs-detroit.html
Ouch.
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…our Detroit and other euphamistically-called “urban” areas in our state into shadows of what they once were.
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As in Wisconsin, the recount started to uncover Votoer fraud……
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I hear tell that The Beast has suddenly gained 82 votes in WI 😂
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Time for another log on the fire…
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A little something
to ease the mind.
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looks like a magic wand…Trump tool?
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Add a couple of lumps of coal, then banked for the day.
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Fires roaring now, after a hot shower, hot coffee, still cold. Nice to thaw out in front of the fire…..
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Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 (Tom Collins)
Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 (Black & Tan)
Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 (Boilermaker)
Mornin’ Czarina! 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 (Irish Car Bomb)
Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 (Godfather)
Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 (Mortlach)
Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 (Roy Rogers)
Mornin’ Howie! 🙂 (Classic Daiquiri)
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 (Gin & Tonic)
Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 (Blackberry wine)
Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 (Backdraft)
Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 (Stinger)
Mornin’ Les! 🙂 (Rusty Nail)
Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 (Jack Daniels)
Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 (Whiskey Smash)
Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 (B52)
Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 (Rum & Coke)
Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 (Night Train Express)
Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂 (Albanian Raki Moskat)
Mornin’ Rhea Salacia Volans! 🙂 (Hot Buttered Rum)
Mornin’ joshua! 🙂 (Hot Buttered Rum)
Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕
Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance!
Breakfast!
NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!
Pastries for coffee!
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‘Morning Nyet,
Lovely!
2 for the price of 1!
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Ohhhh I love those potatoes…. TY…
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I think I will just have toast. Mornin’ Nyet, everyone. 🙂
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I made a loaf of bread machine panettone yesterday. Had it this morning toasted with butter and honey.
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🙂 Yum.
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Definitely!
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wow…i gotta dig out the bread machine…forgot about it…haven’t done it for years…but loved the bread….was a lot of bother at that time….today, maybe I got time….lol
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Good morning Nyet!
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Great looking breakfast Nyet! I will have breakfast for lunch! 🙂
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Enjoy your brunch. 😉
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🙂
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Nye!!!!! Evening Everyone!!!!!! Thanks for keeping the Kitchen open, maybe this hot food will warm me up…….
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9 out of 10 for the breakfast. It would have been perfect without the avocado slices messin’ up the omelette.
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Amount of butter on toast: improving.
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Good Morning Stella, crew.
Have I said lately that I love this Place? https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/402506502109663232/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Well, I do.
Have a Great Day y’all.
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❤
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Good morning Derk! 🙂
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Forgot the double space.
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
=D
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BMWs are full of bull.
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That’s either redneck takeout or Sam’s Club has gone over the top.
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some one at Gilley’s rode that sucker to the ground….doesn’t happen very often….musta been real sober or totally gassed….not possible to ride to victory on a couple of Buds.
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Then agin’, he may now be homeless and down on his luck – got caught at the green light when traffic moved, lost that squeege and Windex bottle:
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Or maybe when Schlitz Malt Liquor went tango uniform, dejobbing yet another bovine, he was forced to seek solace wherever…
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then I have to throw in my favorite cow herd deal…..cannot help but believe that all cows are actually Democrats….
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Same IQ?
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Yeah, but Rats are tasteless and their bull’s hard to swallow.
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That is really funny.
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Running the fat off those boys and girls………
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Morning all,
Quiet here since DH is sleeping on the sofa. Yesterday he had some minor surgery, but the whole ordeal has taken its toll. One finger was cut open to remove a growth, so now his hand is wrapped up and splinted almost to the elbow. It was interesting to see this orthopedic practice, they do day surgery that includes hip replacements. Unbelievable. My neighbor is a surgical nurse there, and she was so nice and came to see us after the procedure.
I am spending time at home working on a craft project, a stable for my little nativity set. Yes, I am watching glue dry..literally. Today I am bringing out the glue gun,,, this is huge. 🙂
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I hope your DH recovers quickly and your project is successful! Also, are you pleased with the new carpet?
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Well, it is a bit on the dark side.. But I am thinking of buying new curtains to try and make things come together. It is very soft,,, much nicer than the old stuff….
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The stable is coming together… foam board, paper bags and lots of glue… Tomorrow will be the final assembly..
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It’s always exciting to redecorate a bit. It will be like a new house with different curtains! Very fun! We got a new rug and new furniture last year for our living room and it really feels like a different house. More homey and warm.
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Are we going to get pictures of your master piece eventually?
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Thought this was cute:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/12/branco-cartoon-tweety-bird/
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Flying the Blue Bird of Crapinism…..depositing a load of liquid CNN on Press and Video media everywhere…MSM…crappy holidays….
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LOL
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYFx6MOTYU
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The Left is coming for Sheriff Clarke with both barrels.
The real news.
What the Journal Sentinel left out of its ‘hit job’ on Sheriff Clarke
http://watchdog.org/283725/sheriff-clarke-journal-sentinel-inmates/
There are so many negative histrionic articles printed about Clarke by the Journal that I’m not sure which specific one WI Watchdog is referring to, but here is one that gives you a flavor of Team Left.
Medical examiner ‘threatened’ by Clarke over jail deaths
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/investigations/daniel-bice/2016/12/01/medical-examiner-threatened-clarke-over-jail-deaths/94746392/
Current status; The Crazies are ballyhooing for Clarke to resign because the 4 deaths in Milwaukee jails are his fault.
One of the four deaths is a baby who was stillborn. One account I read referred to the death of a newborn. The baby was not born alive. Amazing how the Liberal rats accept that a baby is a baby when its being a choice, to be destructed at the whim of its host, is inconvenient to their narrative.
Steps off soapbox.
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Jails are jails, to completely cobtrol caged animals you’d need as many deputies as you had prisoners. You cage animals and you get concentrated animal behaviors, liberal reformers whine about the results of such caging but offer nonrealistic solutions. They won’t set foot onto a jail either.
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Dh’s son in law is a corrections officer… Thankless job,,, and dangerous I think. It amazes me the cost of keeping people in jail or prison.. then again what is the cost of letting them run around?
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The ancient Israelites had no prisons. Trials were immediate, and justice meted. Putting someone in prison served no purpose. A thief was not imprisoned, but required to pay back two or three times what he stole. If he couldn’t repay, he became the victim’s servant to work off the debt.
Murder was the death penalty. Manslaughter, the perp had to flee to a sanctuary city; if he left the city, he could be legally killed by the victim’s family.
No drug or alcohol laws.
Assault? The perp would suffer the same beating as the victim, from whence the phrase, “eye for an eye”.
Bearing false witness against an innocent accused? You get the penalty the accused would have received.
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Actually this sounds like a really good plan.
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Sheriff Joe has the cost deal DOWN PAT…bologna sandwiches and grow their own stuff.
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I suppose, depending on the state, there are rules about how many calories a day must be provided, etc. But no matter what, it is still incredibly expensive.
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I took my training at the academy run by the Orleans Parish Sheriff, it was a bit more jsil oriented than street. I can say thst if I never have to pull cell block shakedown and stare up a prisoner’s naughty bits it will be too soon.
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Keep in mind that the rat bastage Chris Abele, Milwaukee’s County Executive went to war to wrest as much control of the Milwaukee Prison and jails as he could from Clarke. One area where Abele was successful is the contract binding the private health care provider
responsible for assessing and monitoring health care for the incarcerated.
Did I mention Abele is a monied liberal who is finding himself?
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Jails are all about money. The city of New Orleans, except for a few acres, comproses all of Orleans Parish. The city police department is the primary LEA in thebparish with the other LEA (constable, sheriff, park police,etc) having specific duties. One of the SO’s duties is running the jail.
The city puts its arrests the state some of its overflow non-violent offenders and the Feds also house prisoners with county jails, paying a lot more a day than the city does. There are also the many service and supply contracts a jail had…no small potatoes there. Jails are as much about $$$$$ as they are housing prisoners.
It’s beginning herevto look like the city might just try to wrest the lucrative parish prison from the sheriff and make it a city-favorite feeding grounds. Abelevmay not like Clarke but onecwobders if his dislike of Clarke flavored with the like of $$$$$$$?
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The jail is a money grab but Abele’s dislike of Clarke runs far deeper than that. Clarke continuously calls out Milwaukee for their liberal garbage. None of the democrats in Milwaukee have an ounce of love for Clarke. They hate him probably more than they hate Trump.
Clarke pokes them in the eye continuously, puts up billboards encouraging people to arm themselves.
And does spots like this;
Clarke says things like “Al Sharpton to shut up and go back to the gutter.”
Clarke makes the left wet themselves.
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😯 SMH
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Thought you might enjoy this lovely. 🙂
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Love this group!
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Beautiful, thank you!
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Evening Lovely!
( In case you missed my “Morning” to ya under Nyets breakfast. )
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Sorry Derk! Evening to you too! Sometimes I’m doing three things at once 🙄 when I’m on the computer!
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In other words. A “Woman!” No worries, joking with you. =D
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Yeah. Making tea, reading emails, texting my kiddo who is in Mexico and still trying to figure out how her mummy could ever vote for Trump 😜
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I have a brain and common sense is what I tell mine! =D
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We have had several long conversations and several short ones. She sent me an article this morning, a very long article 😐
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🙂
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They have others, ‘Mary Have You Heard’ is phenomenal ! Thanks for posting too!
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I tried to respond to you yesterday but WP was giving me problems. The original three in the group are from a town near me. I used to live there, actually. We got to see them in a small local venue right after they won The Sing-Off and have been following their careers closely. We love them and are proud they have been so successful.
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Wow! Good for you. Nice to know great people from the beginning. I have just recently been made aware of them, my dauhgter played one of their songs for me. Thanks!
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It’s pretty neat. My younger daughter is the same age as the original three and I think it’s been very special for her to follow them. Had we not moved, she would have gone to high school with them. Small world ya know?
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Mornin’ all! I’ve been watching that series by Leah Remini on the aftermath of Scientology….. I had.no.idea……. That they were a pack of nutjobs, I knew. But they’re evil, dangerous nutjobs…..
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Morning WeeWeed! My friend just told me about it yesterday and said I have to watch it.
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Mornin’ Lovely! A&E, online I guess. Somebody posted both episodes on faceplant and that’s where I found it.
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I think it is the preferred gobbledygook of celebs 🙄
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Back in the 70’s, a friend became a Scientologist and invited us to go with him one time. When we left, I was shaking and crying uncontrollably. I told my husband I would never go near that place again because there was something evil about it. I cried for hours.
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I saw one episode and hope to catch the rest of them. I read an article from a survivor of the cult a few years back and she and her brother were basically prisoners/slaves in the Sea Org. The members with no money are treated worse than farm animals and the celebrities can be treated like royalty.
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In the early 70’s I read L. Ron Hubbard’s book, “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health “, then went to the public library to research.
Fascinating.
In the early 50’s dianetics clubs were all the rage, and were helping many people overcome psychological problems. My understanding is that the “E-meter”, a couple of tin cans the subject would hold, wired to a sensitive ohm-meter, would function as a primitive lie detector, detecting subtle changes in response to questions. When the questioner got a reaction, he would question deeper into that subject, thus helping the person to talk about what was bothering them, which is therapeutic.
The official psychologists and psychiatrists were losing business, so they had L. Ron Hubbard charged with practicing without a license, and had all the dianetics clubs shut down.
All was quiet for a couple of years, and then L. Ron Hubbard surfaced again as the founder of a new religion: Scientology. The use of the E-meter was now “spiritual counseling” and thus protected spiritual practice.
But now, because it was a religion, he had to come up with a belief system, so he did. Probably didn’t hurt that he and his old friend and college room mate Robert Heinlein were science fiction writers.
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I went through some of that “testing” and what I saw there looked like programming to me.
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I love kids and am more likely to hang out with them than the adults.
My son is different, in that we have a bond I do not have with other kids. He’s a muddle of people – I see myself and my wife in him, and his grandfather, yet he is quite distinctly his own person. There is a fascination with how this person that is part you develops, what new talent will suddenly surface. He’s 21 now. We are on the same wavelength in some matters, where he will say something terse and cryptic which leaves my wife baffled, but which I understand perfectly.
I don’t talk much, unless I’m explaining something or telling a story. But he and my wife will have these long conversations that are rather foreign to me. Sometimes they have, “I love you more” arguments. 🙂
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This was intended for Cetera’s post below.
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Evening Ms.WeeWeed!!!!! Loaded 20 boys and girls today and 20-25 tomorrow. Should decrease the work load a bit…….more corn down and buck season is over Saturday at sundown. Then back to the normal poaching by the local boys. Cold today, made it to 24* wind knock that down to 15*-18*. Go the stove up and enjoying the warm fire……
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Evenin’ Colonel Sir! Our President was great tonight.
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Serious question for those of you who married and had kids:
Can you please explain to me the difference in your understanding and perception of love and even ability to love others after having kids?
For instance, I love my wife, as strongly and fiercely as I know how to do, and most days it simply involves doing what I can to help her stay afloat in her crappy teaching job, and rubbing her back as she falls asleep, and then yelling and pushing her out of bed in the morning when my alarm goes off (her emergency backup alarm). I do things for her, and I know she appreciates them, and sometimes even gets emotional trying to thank me for them. This is all well and good, but I often feel, however, like I’m not really loving her enough.
I have a plethora of younger siblings, one of whom I basically helped raise as a third parent, since he was born when I was 17. I love them all a bunch, but it is obviously different than with my wife, different emotions, different commitment, but still love.
Then there is love of God. I love Him as much as possible, but it is very easy to be very distracted by all the things going on that I have to pay attention to, or want to pay attention to. I talk to Him informally throughout the day, whenever something occurs to me, but I’m still a sinner, with a heavy attachment to sin, as much as I would like things to be otherwise. I’m very tired and fatigued by this world, but I’m also very much prone to wanting a lot of what it still has to offer, particularly in electronics, video games, movies, etc.
Anyway, my point is, I feel like I don’t know enough about love, don’t understand enough yet, to really contribute the way I’m supposed to. I think the biggest gap in my experience is not having children. Parents describe their love for their kids in a variety of ways, but it is never anything that I fully understand. I’m hoping some of you can help shed some light there in what it means, as I’m certain there is a lot of reflection in the love of God between parent and child.
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books have been written on this subject. no simple answers other that the definition that I was given in Sunday School as a little kid….”God is Love”….the rest is trying to figure out why Something Happened here on Earth…..As an adult, I had to stop trying to find out WHY and just go DO something good for another person….got me out of my personal need to UNDERSTAND stuff that just IS. this time of year is mentally toxic for the needs to understand that drives a lot of us crazy if we give in to it.
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Well the Bible teaches husbands to love their wives even as Christ loved the church. Wives are to love and respect their husbands in return. The biblical example shows us we are to love God above all others, then our spouse, then our children. It’s easy to understand but not always to follow. I would do anything for my husband and kids, but everyone has moments where we don’t prioritize our family and God as we should. It’s a work in progress. Just keep praying and trying to be the best spouse you can, it’s all any of us can do. I definitely love my husband differently than my kids. It is a different bond. Not that one is stronger than the other, just different, I’m not sure how to describe it, but it stems from them being a physical part of me. The bond with my grandson is even different than that of my husband and children, it’s unique in it’s own way and very special. Maybe you should go to a Bible bookstore and find books about it. My daughter did that before she got married and she and her then fiancée had marriage counseling through church and it really helped them to bond closer.
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I share that boat with you, Cetera. I never had children, was physiologically unable to reproduce. I spent most of my life blowing it off as No Big Deal. Now in my 60s, I feel deeply what a tremendous loss it was and is. My perception is that the love between a parent and child is the closest thing there is to God’s love, the only experience we can have on earth of absolutely unconditional love.
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Great comments from all three of you, but none terribly helpful, lol. It confirms for me that there is something I don’t understand, and may not ever, at least in this life. I think your observation is spot on, Tundra.
I hear you on the loss thing too, Tundra. We tried and tried having kids, and we gave many souls to God who didn’t make it to their day of birth, but my wife was not gifted with a great uterus. Getting pregnant was doable, but she was unable to stay pregnant, no matter what, even after some extensive efforts to help counteract the obstacles. That loss affects her deeply, in ways I still don’t fully understand or appreciate.
The loss gets me too sometimes, but most of the time I’m OK with my life the way it is. I’m comfortable in my habits and ways, and I pray to our little brood waiting for us to meet them someday. I tried to teach them the “are we there yet?” game via prayer, and to send them to Jesus every day with that, but in the context of “we” being myself and my wife. No idea on the success of that endeavor yet, but it seems only fair and fitting that Jesus have to put up with it since we can’t.
What brings a lot of this to mind, though, is my parents’ first grandchild. He was born in August, and this is his first Christmas, and there are lots of pictures flowing across the family, and it is a time of great joy for all of us. But it reminds me that I am missing something, and I find myself wondering how that changes things, and what it is like.
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The love of a parent,, I heard it from my mother.. She said to me once, “I would give you the world with a fence around it, if I could.” We were poor, but when she said that I knew in my heart that it was true. God did give us the world with a fence around it, in a sense, if we could only understand it.
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Ok, sorry, may have responded wrongly to your question first go round. Actually, getting confused =D.
I can feel what you are saying, only in the context of knowing what children bring, and if not having ever known what I know now.
I do believe God is good, and hat He has provide you with a great love for many, and the talent to spread it. I believe you are in the medical field? Not sure, I just remember “shift work” and nights. Fireman? Anyways, the way you’ve expressed yourself here and I’m sure with those around.
I hope you do not feel robbed or cheated, do not let the Enemy in to deceive you. We all have different journeys, don’t allow your joy to be stolen.
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When our first grandchild was born, a little girl after we had all boys, my husband said “At last, I really understand love. She is teaching me how to love.”
No, this did not mean that he didn’t love me or our sons. We have more time to enjoy and savor the lessons a grandchild brings. When our boys were small our family was engaged in a fierce battle for survival you might say. Times were tough and just having three young ones close in age with my husband working long hours was a real struggle. We had less time to savor, and ponder, our relationships.
Then came our granddaughter, at a time when we had more time and less pressure. She was unable to do anything at all for us, and as a small infant, she quickly became attached to us, most especially my husband. We gave love to her, yes, and she was able to learn to love us, but loving a child is not like an adult. They need care. They need emotional guidance, they need discipline. They need gawdawful poopy diapers changed, feeding in the middle of the night, someone to walk them for hours when they have tummy aches.
If humans were animals, that care we offer our young would seem disproportionately given to them, a vast one sided suck of energy not totally explained by an animal’s instinctive protection of its young. But we humans have the ability to love, and the love of a child is as close as we get to the unselfish love God has for us, in most cases. He gains nothing, not even gaining our love in return sometimes. He loves, he gives, he remains true in his commitment to us, no matter our choices.
However, we must not think that parental love is the only way to experience that kind of love. There are too many saints who have been priests or members of religious orders who found a life based on love of God. Their examples, and the examples of saints like Pier Giorgio Frassati, who never had children, tell us that there are more paths to experiencing this selfless love than the one nature provides most of us with.
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Thanks, Menagerie. That’s really good stuff.
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Hm, my post in response landed above your post, so I’ll try again:
I love kids and am more likely to hang out with them than the adults.
My son is different, in that we have a bond I do not have with other kids. He’s a muddle of people – I see myself and my wife in him, and his grandfather, yet he is quite distinctly his own person. There is a fascination with how this person that is part you develops, what new talent will suddenly surface. He’s 21 now. We are on the same wavelength in some matters, where he will say something terse and cryptic which leaves my wife baffled, but which I understand perfectly.
I don’t talk much, unless I’m explaining something or telling a story. But he and my wife will have these long conversations that are rather foreign to me. Sometimes they have, “I love you more” arguments. {smile}
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In my home, cash is required for almost everything. I assume love is the same, I just don’t ever seem to have enough on hand to find out.
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Three sons…one I talk with/too…in all, one outta three ain’t bad!
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“Children fill a hole in your heart you never knew was there.” heard that long ago, and is very true. For me, your heart, or capacity to love is increased where you thought it was already full to the brim. One of God’s amazing wonders, and goes hand in hand with,” The more one gives, the more one receives.” Ever do volunteer or missions work, you know what I mean.
I believe also that in a child, we get the closest, clearest glimpse into the Father’s heart. You do want to give everything to your child. They are a blank canvass that you are permitted to paint in as you desire. Teach, play, inspire, discipline (the good kind), converse with, experience life with, and hopefully, watch them as they in turn head off on their own to do the same.
My older brother refused to bring a child into this world. I had two already before he finally relinquished after several years. His comment was, “Now I know”. Changed him forever. A cousin with similar story. Like a Picasso, you can hear all abut it, but until you stand there in front of one, you never know.
God is amazing in his works, and the allowing of us to experience love, on all of these levels, is truly a gift. God does love us, and as many a child before, myself included, forget the depth, breadth and width of that Love. True, God is love, and he in turns lets us taste it as well. A beautiful thing.
I have 4 children, 2 girls, 2 boys. All different, varied in so many ways, yet my imprint is on each one. Love them all, but my girls! Ahhhhhhh!!! They’ve got it made where I’m concerned.
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As far as ability to love others after having children, if that is what you’re asking above, is that I believe for me, that children expand your heart. Increases the capacity, like the Grinch’s heart that grew two sizes that day.
It also reveals what unmotivated love is, that is, love not for personal gain. I think it even differs from a spousal love, which has gains, or benefits, attached with it. It is for me, purely given in regards to children.
They are messy, expensive, and grow every which way but where you thought. Had a good partner in marriage, at least in area of child rearing, and our children were brought up well, never beaten once, and yet love and respect us both. We learned how to conduct ourselves in bringing out their gold, which in turn, made us better people.
So to me, you have a wider spectrum, a deeper knowledge of love, that then can be used and shared to and with others.
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Great responses, thanks!
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I have a friend who wanted children since her earliest memory but her and her husband could not have them. She lost 3 babies in utero. She became very depressed and it took her years to come to a truce with God over it. This is my paraphrasing her words;
Marriage is a nest that you build, a home of togetherness, he brought twigs from his own life, she brought twigs from her life, they fluffed it with the feathers of their life together and the nest became their home. The nest has a purpose and most of us expect to hatch eggs there but sometimes that doesn’t happen and then the nest can become a reminder of that emptiness and/or it can be filled with the love you have for each other. Some days it is going to be a reminder but that doesn’t mean the nest can never be full.
I think when bad things happen to people it can make them fragile and we in turn let that being fragile treat them in a different way because if things are safe that is better than when they are cracked so we try to just get by with the curtains pulled because we have a fear that if we get used to sunlight and then it goes away our heart will not be able to take the fullness of that darkness.
I am not in any way being dismissive of your cross, I will never walk in your footsteps because I have children and I did learn how to love unconditionally and immediately and immensely because of them. You are obviously bright and obviously a person who feels things to the depth of your soul or you would not ponder if there is some level of love that you may be missing out on because you are not a parent.
The answer to that lies between you and God.
Mathew 18:20 ”For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
“God is love.” Whoever lives in love, lives in God, and God in him.” 1 John 4:8 and 4:16
So really there is no separation of love, no division, no difference other than our limited perception of it. To experience any of God’s love is to experience all of God’s love.
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I don’t think it is possible for you to be dismissive of me or my cross(es), Lovely!
It is amazing how many women or families there actually are who can’t have kids for some reason. The number is not small. I never noticed until we couldn’t, but I would guess that between 10-25%, probably closer to 25%, of families have severe reproductive difficulties. It is a lot easier to “hide” that these days, with so many others choosing to not have kids, but it sure seems like human reproductivity is very fragile.
Maybe it is something we are doing wrong as a society, something we’re putting into our bodies without realizing it. It certainly doesn’t seem like there were that many folks in the past who were barren.
I wrote some other stuff here too, but I’m not certain that I’m ready to share it yet, nor am I certain that you fine folk need to be stuck listening to it.
Anyway, thanks for all the responses, all of you! I appreciate it!
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I think part of the problem with reproduction is that couples wait until later to start families. It is more likely to encounter problems when you are older.
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https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/806170286471135232
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Down in NOLA for the day, have to get the annual termite inspection done on our old house. We gots dem reg’lar ones here but a newer nasty one, the Formosan termite too. This SOB has been known to eat the treated rope on the docks and the tarred caulk between the concrete levee flood walls…yo house be noooooo problem.
If anyone’s seen or even cares about thebJoe McKnight shooting, we’ll be driving through that corner on the way to the Asian food big-box store, it’s just a coupla blocks from the house.
Ate lunch at Rocky and Carlos…for thosebunfamiar with the NOLA area’s insider guide to ”cuisine you won’t find millennials at’ it’s an old line frayed blue collar diner with truly local food. Had stuffed artichoke, whop salad and turnip freens. Czarina had fried catfish, whop salad and their signature dish…house-made mac and real cheese. Their Sicilian fare is fantastic but even wesring black clothes Imall too frequently end up getting about 10% of red gravy foods on me. With all of the new restaurants to choose from Rocky’s still has a place in my heart…OK, it’s a small clogged artery but it’s clogged with love. And garlic, can’t forget the garlic.
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like this one…..veal parmesian…..oh yezzz
http://www.visitstbernard.com/sites/default/files/styles/listing_image/public/eat%20rockysoutsideweb.jpg?itok=-2FhaZvH
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Dats da place, cap. Walking around outside the building the smell from the kitchen just overwhelms you, it’s home, it’s comfort. This isn’t fancy food, it’s food you EAT, food ya mamma would cook. Plates are heaped with food and prices are low. They have a fantastic hamburger steak, Sicilian/Italian workers food, seafood poboys and plates…and a bar, you can eat your whole meal at a bar while you enjoy berr, wine or something more harderer.
This is solid smile making, gut filling good.
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larapin good
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“OK, it’s a small clogged artery but it’s clogged with love”
LOL!
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Now that’s the place to eat!!!
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Stella, another great photo….. some where in the Rockies, or Canadian Rockies.
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sw colorado
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ah…..Crested Butte….spent a lot of conference time there over the years…
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Crested Butte – a place that you must be going to in order to get there. It’s not on the way to anywhere else … Nice little town!
I love Telluride and Ouray and Silverton, myself.
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