General Discussion, Tuesday, December 8, 2020

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  1. Lucille says:


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  2. Lucille says:

    Trump Team Begins a Forensic Exam in Michigan; Supreme Court Path Opens in PA
    Facts Matter with Roman Balmakov – The Epoch Times

    The Trump team has begun a forensic examination of the Dominion Voting Machines in Michigan. When can we expect answers? And with the looming Electoral College deadline, a path to the US Supreme Court appears in Pennsylvania. What’s is it?

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  3. Lucille says:

    Kraken Update: Sidney Powell Interviewed by Greg Kelly of Newsmax 12 7 20

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  4. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ all! A hero has left us.

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    • auscitizenmom says:


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    • stella says:

      Good day, WeeWeed!

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    • czarowniczy says:

      When you figure that he flew the X-1, a ‘plane’ that was totally designed by guess and by God (shape was taken from the bullet in the .50 caliber machine gun) and they redesigned things as the plane flew…the man had guts. Yeager also flew the X-1 with two freshly broken ribs, he’d broken the a few days earlier, had a doctor tape them up and was in such pain he couldn’t close the hatch thru which he entered the X-1 without help. Suddenly all of those Great Giant Head scientists who’d said for so long that the sound barrier were rendered moot in a single bang.

      Not satisfied to have broken the sound barrier in a Rube Goldberg tin can, six years later he pilots the X-2 to the first Mach 2 flight. What goes unsaid is that no one knew what happened to an aircraft over Mach 1, though they had a good idea, but the X-2 was working in the Mach 2 to Mach 3 range. Yeager was a test dummy, his (and the other pilots) job was to find out what happened to the plane over Mach-2 and approaching Mach-3, it was unknown but over Mach-1 it was known that ejecting at supersonic speeds was just about as fatal as staying with the plane. It was just about 3 years ago one of the very few pilots to eject at close to 800 mph survived, albeit with severe injuries – his backseater died. Yeager’s out there in 1953 to see what can go wrong at over 2000 mph and what happens when it does. That’s the right stuff.

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    • Lucille says:

      Good afternoon to you, WeeWeed. Sad news, but a “life well lived” indeed. A good and honorable man whose service to our nation was invaluable. R.I.P.

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  5. WeeWeed says:

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  6. auscitizenmom says:

    Mornin’ all. It was in the low 40’s here. I am glad I was able to find my (one) pair of sweat pants. But, it is still sunny and nice outside. Loki doesn’t seem to care. 🙄 I talked to my son yesterday. He has to go to the Mideast in a few days. But, first he will spend 2 wks in quarantine before he leaves the U.S. and then two weeks in quarantine when he gets there. I am so glad he has FaceTime and can keep in touch with his family. His attitude is really good, though. I am very proud of him.

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    • Linda K. says:

      auscitizenmom, Is your son in the military?I was hoping we were leaving the mideast for now.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        Yes. He has been in the reserves, but got called up months ago. He shouldn’t be near any fighting, but I hate that he is going.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          I got a big smile during Desert Storm when all of those Reservists who were upset that they were actually getting activated whined and complained. General complaints were that ‘I only signed up for the money’ or ‘I just signed up for the educational benefits’ and there were a lot of them, a lot of folks felt ‘safe’ to enlist after the USSR folded. Oldtimers just told them to read the papers they signed.

          Ones around here are sorta happy to get called up, it’s a rural area and all of that extra pay they get went a long way to helping them, not to mention the medical benefits. They also were heavily employed by small local businesses that wouldn’t dare dump them because they were deployed, locals would raise Cain.

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          • auscitizenmom says:

            Well, my son went to Annapolis, then spent 5 years on ships and finally decided to get out. So, he knew what he signed up for. He actually was thinking about going back in and going after a promotion and getting his twenty years in. This call up has ended that plan because he was under a time limit at the time. So, I don’t know what will happen after this.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              Most people do know what they’re signing up for, many of us were previous active duty and had no doubts at all. There was a group, though, who’d played the odds and when they crapped out and got activated tried to whine their way out. We generally knew who they’d be before they deployed but we needed their bodies to keep the numbers up.

              Thing that interested me was that so many unit commanders failed to ensure single/multiserivemember families had family plans for deployment. In DS it raised some small amount of hell as parents hadn’t worked out a plan nor had many commanders ensured the requirement was met…they needed that body count and everyone played the odds. There was a lot of scrambling and dustups from fighting over dependent care and a lot of people leaving the service.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              BTW, he can still get his 20 in the Reserves, the pay at the end of the line may not be 50% but as he can stay until at least 60 he can pick up and stow away that drill and AT (plus any ADT – or whatever the Navy calls it) and his base pay at retirement at 60 would be higher than it would were he to retire sooner. I could have retired in ’88 with my ’20 year letter’ but chose to stay until ’07, max out my time and base pay. I came out better, considering, as I worked for the Feds and got time off with pay for any military time.

              I sort of enjoyed, closer to the end, soldiers not recognizing my ‘right shoulder patch’ as I’d gotten that 20 years before they were born. I also liked how the Army mess made room for me at the table – even the Navy in their mess – as sort of a walking museum piece. Other oldtimers had told me years ago that being an anachronism had its advantages.

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    • stella says:

      Afternoon, mom.

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  7. Menagerie says:

    Good morning everyone. Spent the morning making two jars of fire cider. I should have already made it a month ago, but didn’t feel like standing long enough to cut and peel all the ingredients. I’m ready for cold season! I took this stuff all last winter, and every time my husband or family got sick I didn’t. They proclaimed it nasty and would not take it. I kinda like it.

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  8. Gary says:

    Good morning peoples, hope everyone’s day is simply….a good one!

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  9. stella says:

    Georgia’s Hand Count of 2020 ballots was No Risk-Limiting Audit

    Philip Stark, who created the audit being adopted by many states, said 2020’s only statewide hand count of presidential votes served a purpose, but was not a good audit.

    …What unfolded in Georgia wasn’t a risk-limiting audit, Stark said, although that was what it was called by top state officials. It was closer to a statewide ballot inventory check, which turned up several thousand uncounted votes. And it was closer to what is called the canvass, which is where local officials reconcile ballots and totals. It was also not a recount, which is a different legal process. President Trump is expected to file for a recount in coming days…

    PS: When I invented risk-limiting audits, that is the risk I was talking about, and that was the risk that was being limited [by this kind of audit]. And in order to do that, you need a trustworthy paper trail of votes. Among other things, even if can trust that every piece of paper accurately reflects what the voters said, they need to keep track of the paper and keep it secure. And a precursor to doing a statistical risk-limiting audit that you have a complete inventory of the paper, so that you can draw a random sample of the paper.

    SR: I understand. It’s not an easy thing to do. And Georgia didn’t do that.

    PS. The way that Gabe [Sterling, the state’s elections operations manager] is being incredibly misleading about all of this is saying, ‘Look how great it was that we audited and we uncovered the fact that some batches of ballots were never scanned, and some memory cards [from ballot scanners with vote totals] were never uploaded and what not. All of that has nothing to do with the risk-limiting audit. That is all a precursor to starting a risk-limiting audit.

    If you don’t have control over how many ballots there are, you would never notice if there were 100,000 ballots missing from the machine totals. Right? So, one fundamental flaw in what Georgia is doing is they’re relying on the voting system to tell them how many ballots there are, rather than relying on other procedures and cross checks to tell them how many ballots there are. Because some ballots were never scanned and some memory cards were never uploaded, the voting system doesn’t know about those ballots, and a random sampling based RLA would not have had any chance of selecting those ballots. The sample needs to be drawn from a comprehensive list of ballots, not just the ballots the voting system happens to have a record of.

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  10. jeans2nd says:

    G”afternoon Stella, ladies and gentlymen. Another beautiful sunless day on the North Coast.
    Have missed lovely. We know she is ok, yes? Details not necessary, just reassurance.

    Stella, still working on my multitude of puter probs, working through them one at a time.
    Wicked Son, bless his liddle pea-pickin’ heart, sent me his old puter last Mother’s Day.
    It’s an Apple, of course. My last foray with Apple was teaching Eudora Lite on a Mac, circa 1991 (Apple is for wimps).

    Insidious Granddaughter brought back WS’s old router (LinkSys) and iPhone (Apple is for wimps).
    WS always gave his MIL his stuff when WS upgraded, but MIL passed last year.
    Anyway, WS created a new Apple ID and email for me, but he spelled my name incorrectly – Jeanssecond – because of course he did. FFI as usual for WS.

    So I went to change my email addy and find my email I was using has been deleted by the provider due to lack of use. My logons are tied to that email, but they want $$$ to restore.

    Meanwhile, next-door changes over. The new comment system notifies your email if replies are given to your comment, but of course I have no email which I use to logon.
    So cannot even send an email for help.

    {{sigh}} So here were are. Did leave one comment next-door last night and this morning, and that seems to work ok.
    So I guess my questions are, do you all follow us by IP (mine has changed), MAC (also changed), processor ID (will be changed tonight), email addy (worthless now). There are more but they escape me at present.
    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Answers of “ignore it” are welcome. Thanks.

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    • Gary says:

      Hello, I would suggest a Cabernet or Merlot.

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    • stella says:

      I’m not sure what to do, to be honest. Can you set up a new (with a similar user name) account with a new email address? When you are using a WordPress account, and you are signed in, you can change your email address by clicking on your Gravatar on the black bar at the right top of this page, then select “Account Settings”. I just checked, and the same is true over at the new site.

      Your current IP address is usually what we see in the comments admin window. What I see for your comments is something like this: 2600:1702:8c0:5900:f9b0:4c67:6f55:14b0.
      I also see that you are using several different email addresses for your comments.

      We don’t follow you at all unless you subscribe for email notification (which isn’t available yet on the new site.)

      I have NO experience yet with the new commenting system; I’ll let you know if I learn anything new!

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    • stella says:

      PS: Here at Stella’s Place, I see your IP address.

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    • Menagerie says:

      Jeans, I’m like Stella, there are lots of questions popping up from the new site that I can’t answer. I’ve thought about this for a day, and I copied this post from the Tree, H/T to DancesWithWolverines. First, you don’t have to have a valid email address to log in. Most people make one up, so if you use your old one there is no reason I can see that it won’t work for login purposes. As Stella has said (boy have we said it, like a million times in emails, but I digress) we don’t have an email subscription, so the email is just for sign in.

      Anyhow, maybe this will help? No clue, but trying.

      To use my old avatar on this new site, this is what I did.

      I visited a WordPress blog and signed in with my WP credentials (IE Stella’s Place)
      Thank you Stella!

      or, if you have deleted your WP account, or never had one, visit https and view your profile (or create a new one)

      You can use to create different avatars for different email address. You can edit your profile here also.

      I clicked on my avatar and selected view profile

      From my avatar account page, I added (The Last Refuge as page title) and saved to my profile.

      Make sure you are signing in to this website with the same email account listed on your Avatar profile, or add the email associated with your account here to your Gravatar account.

      Hope this works for ya’ll

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  11. just stevie says:

    Hello everyone! Just getting to scoot around the internet today…busy at work…financials for the end of the year! 😏 I’m finding out that if I follow Stella around, I’m not so stressed out haha! I read the headlines but for the most part can’t (won’t) open and read the details…except for CTH! I want to end the year as a sane person! 😁 Blessings and Peace 🙏

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  12. Lucille says:


    Roger Maddow fanboy & Obama lapdog Emmet Sullivan has just dismissed the case against our hero Lt Gen Michael Flynn @GenFlynn

    Sullivan is a failure as a judge, but he is also a failure as a man. A truly sick individual.

    To participate in such a cruel scheme against an innocent citizen was cowardly & depraved.

    Sullivan is the poster boy for the canker that has taken hold of the judicial branch.

    And when Trump prevails, Sullivan will discover the true meaning of the word ‘Justice’.

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    • stella says:

      I just read this morning that Sullivan was continuing to pursue FLynn in court. This is good news indeed.

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  13. Lucille says:

    Top Democrat Hoyer Accuses Republicans of ‘Threatening Democracy’ by Voting Down Inaugural Committee Resolution Naming Biden as President-Elect
    By Kristinn Taylor – Published December 8, 2020 at 1:04pm

    Congressional Republicans on the bipartisan Inaugural Committee voted down a resolution by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) naming Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden president-elect. The committee vote on Tuesday was 3-3, with all three GOP members voting against the resolution.

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  14. Lucille says:

    Oh my, yes, it’s looking good…

    BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Dominion Took Over Georgia Voting Machines Remotely During 2020 Election
    By Joe Hoft – Published December 8, 2020 at 3:05pm

    Not only were Dominion voting machines connected to the Internet, in the 2020 election in Georgia, Dominion actually took over voting machines remotely. Crazy.

    KEEP PRAYING! Have mercy upon America, Lord!

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  15. Lucille says:

    This is lousy and emotionally believe plain wrong, but then I’m no lawyer…or SCOTUS justice….

    BREAKING: Supreme Court Denies Latest Election Challenge Out of Pennsylvania
    By Jim Hoft – Published December 8, 2020 at 3:58pm

    This was the Sean Parnell and Mike Kelly case.

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  16. WeeWeed says:

    We in it to win it, kids!!

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  17. Lucille says:

    Barry Goldwater is turning over in his grave….

    Arizona Supreme Court Upholds Lower Court Ruling Affirms Joe Biden’s Victory in Arizona
    By Jim Hoft – Published December 8, 2020 at 8:29pm

    The Arizona Supreme Court on Tuesday affirmed President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Arizona, upholding a lower court’s finding that there was no misconduct, fraud or illegal voting in the general election.


    • Lucille says:

      AZ GOP Chair makes the case for duplicate ballots
      December 8, 2020 – ARIZONA: The state’s GOP Chairwoman Dr. Kelli Ward comments to Newsmax TV’s Greg Kelly


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