As we approach another Presidential election, let’s revisit the Constitutional requirements for a President of the United States:
Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution imposes only three eligibility requirements on persons serving as president, based on the officeholder’s age, time of residency in the U.S., and citizenship status:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
A few Democrats have thrown their hats in the ring, so to speak, and I was doing a little research on those candidates, and found that at least one of them has two immigrant parents.
Is Kamala Harris legally eligible to serve as President, when both of her parents were born elsewhere (mother in India, and father in Jamaica)?
Another of those natural born citizen questions.
An interesting fact is that although Kamala Harris was born in California, she was brought up in Canada from the age of 7 until she went to college in D.C. It appears she has lived in the United States for at least fourteen years, and she is old enough – 54.
As I understand it, Natural Born Citizen means that, in order to be eligible to serve as president, a person must either have been born on U.S. soil or (if born overseas) to at least one parent who is a citizen. Harris was definitely born on U.S. soil. Is she eligible? I think the answer is “yes”, but will be interested to hear your opinions. Ted Cruz and John McCain (both born outside the USA) and Barack Obama (one immigrant parent) were found to be eligible.
This always spurs a lively discussion.
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I just assume she is well aware of the citizenship requirements to run for president and so meets these requirements. There has to be a vetting process from some committee.
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I agree with you, but ours are not the only voices.
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Problem with the citizenship requirement is that it is really vague & really needs to go to SCOTUS for a very clear interpretation..
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Careful, we’re getting really close to Constitutional Convention territory here and that can open a floodgate of problems.
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Oh I know but there are a couple dozen legal argument for both sides.
I will admit i found it strange that Cruz ran for presidency since he was pro birther in 2008. Cruz was with Tea Party in saying that if Obama was born in Kenya, Obama was not eligible for president. 100% known fact that Cruz was born in Canada, of an American mother & Cuban father. (some rumors but it could not be proven 100% that Cruz’s mother became a Canadian citizen).
Here is one of the pieces on it.
Presidential Eligibility
In the 2008 election both major parties nominated candidates whose eligibility is dubious. For Barack Obama the question was whether he was born in Hawaii, which is U.S. soil. For John McCain the question was whether the Panama Canal Zone, where he was born, was U.S. soil. It is not, and being born of parents both of whom were U.S. citizens did not make him a “natural-born” citizen, although a statute was later adopted naturalizing such persons at birth.
http://constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm
https://twitter.com/GracieLovesUSA/status/1087785515569410048
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I have always thought that a military base, even in a foreign country, would be considered U.S. soil. I’m sure than an embassy would be.
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My understanding was that embassy/governmental worker or military kids were considered American born if their parents were deployed to another county.
You have to remember not all military bases have hospitals. Still haven’t heard of an embassy that did.
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Cruz’s parents were not governmental workers at the time…In fact Cruz’s father was a Cuban with a Canadian Citizenship or Canadian citizenship in the works.
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I was thinking of McCain. His father was Navy and deployed to Panama.
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McCain is good to go in my books.(still think he was a HUGE RINO & Traitor)
Cruz shocked the H3LL out me. He was tied with Trump in my books for just a few days. Didn’t take long for the Canadian birth to come out, and yes I knew he was a birther in 2008. He was out of my books. Then when Cruz started playing really dirty he was way out of my books. Still don’t trust him.
Obama there is not 100% proof, even though I do feel there is something really screwy about his birth.
Harris – looks like she can run if she didn’t try for Canadian citizenship after she was an adult. However she did have an affair with a married man. Kind of hypocritical of the Democrats isn’t it(Oh well so whats new).
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Harris has other problems too.
…as attorney general of California, she criminalized truancy — making it a crime for kids to be late for school and dragging into the criminal justice system even more disproportionately low-income, predominantly black and Latino families. She’s overlooked the misconduct of her prosecutors and fought to uphold their wrongfully secured convictions. She defended California’s choice to deny gender reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate, and in 2014, she appealed a federal judge’s holding that the death penalty was unconstitutional…
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Oh crap…Damn…
OK I’m sharing…
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MSM will never report that, unless of course they want a different democrat.
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Regarding John McCain, his eligibility was questioned and it went to court. I only found out there was a question about his citizenship meeting eligibility or not because I happened to catch a news article about it. The court didn’t reach its conclusion until after the election, but it did declare that McCain qualified as a natural born citizen, because he was born on US soil, and both his parents were US citizens. Of course, by then, it didn’t matter anymore, since the election was over.
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That is what was screwy to me.too..For I always thought that governmental worker & military kids were always Americans regardless of where they were born, when parents were officially deployed.
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They are – it’s the same for Canadians. Citizenship is assured. The “natural born” part is where the question of whether or not they were born on US soil is addressed. One of those weird sticking points.
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Like I keep saying SCOTUS needs to address the issue & make it very clear.
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Stella be careful on the twitter thread. I already have a good 1/2 dozen or more really nasty trolls blocked. Except for the trolls most on the thread are good people..a couple a bit on crazy side but good. (dang accidentally posted this at treehouse…had too many windows open sorry).
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No problem. Trolls don’t usually bother me on Twitter. Facebook is a different matter. After a while, I just block them.
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Just so you know…Since I lost my kinnorthwest for racist hate(think it was for posting articles on Illegals ) I’m more careful.
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You did what you had to do. Nothing wrong with expressing your opinions!
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TY —-Stella…Enjoy the thread..
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I have a huge blocked list on FB. I have people tell me all the time I should reason with them and I tell them you can’t reason with the unreasonable and life is too damn short to put up with idiots when you don’t have too.
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Two things I don’t tolerate name calling of me, Trump and especially our Lord.
I can handle some on me, some on Trump, but not our Lord.
Mostly I shoot back with article after article to prove points…sometimes I will post a Meme, but can back any that are not supposed to be just funny.
Lately on the threads it has gotten to be a Merry Go Round…Trump lies, Trump is racist, Trump is draft dodger, Trump hasn’t done anything for Americans, Trump cheated with Russians, Trump grabs Pu…, Trump only golfs(think you get the drift)…Yet most of the thread have already politely answered the questions/accusations with tons of backup several times over. Each time all the accusations/questions have been sufficiently answered they either block a few on the thread or start all over with same questions & accusations.
What trolls are trying to do is wear you down until you say something nasty that they can use to suspend you.
On one of the threads I was able to backtrack for two months & found that each of the accusations had adequately answered around a dozen or more times by many on thread to many different trolls.
There are a few trolls on the Twitter that have actually Doxed people and man those get ugly with Twitter not doing a damn thing.
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I just don’t have the energy to want to deal with idiots anymore. I won’t even continue reading their ignorance even if they aren’t directing it to me.
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That is why I usually say these topics have already been discussed on this thread, Go back and read the truth.
I might post a couple of new articles & then block…
Don’t even bother with people that have less than 50..
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This is another thing that irks me—Very large % of Liberals don’t donate to worthy American charitable causes or do much volunteer.
Not to pat myself on back, but at 70 I’ve slowed down some but do an average 20 to 40 hours a month with volunteer groups. In 15 mins will be off to do a shift at a homeless place where homeless people can sleep for the night.
Reason I bring this up is, often when i say we need to take care of our own first, many ask what am I doing. When asked back its dead silence,
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“Ted Cruz and John McCain (both born outside the USA) and Barack Obama (one immigrant parent) were found to be eligible.”
I don’t believe BHO was ever “found” to be eligible…every time it was brought to court it seemed that Perkins Coie attorneys managed to get it thrown out or dodged it somehow. There were numerous cases with Leo Donofrio, Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz, then the findings of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse that were completely ignored…
BHO’s birth story is highly disputed & there are supposed witnesses, including his own step-grandmother, Sarah Obama, I believe, to his alleged birth in Kenya. Apparently the Kenyan tourism industry capitalizes on his birthplace & their parliament read into the record that BHO as a Kenyan was the US Pres.
If his birth was as stated to Stanley Anne Dunham & BHO Senior, a Kenyan, then at a minimum he was a dual citizen. Dual citizenship defeats the purpose of Natural Born Citizenship–owing allegiance to America & no other land. On the surface, at least to me, dual citizenship is an automatic disqualifier, so that eliminates Cruz & maybe Jindall…
BHO’s travel to Pakistan in the ’80’s when US persons were forbidden access, his adoption by Lolo Soetoero (Stanley Anne’s “2nd” husband) making him an Indonesian citizen (as seen on elementary school paperwork), his connection to the Subud cult (“Soebarka” name/title scratched out on Anne’s passport when he was a minor), the Harrison J Bounell identity confusion (Chicago properties, EVerify, etc), the Connecticut SS#, the forged “birth certificate”, the forged Selective Service registration, the passport issues (Lt Quarles? assassination), the Red Diaper Baby issues, the possible CIA background, the Frank Marshall Davis (card carrying communist) connection….
The list of concerns about BHO aka Barry Soetoro (no legal name change back to BHO known)…etc should have made him unfit for candidacy let alone the presidency. His anti-American treasonous infiltration of the US Govt w/ Muslim Brotherhood (tear the West down from within) & Iranian loyalists solidified his unfitness for the office.
However, his actual status as eligible for POTUS was never determined. WND.com & Jerome Corsi & Orly Taitz & Joe Arpaio & others have numerous articles with supportive documentation about most of what I mentioned above. To this day I refer to BHO as the Usurper for in my opinion he was only operating as the de facto president & not legitimate per constitutional NBC requirements…
Pelosi is up to her neck in it if you look at the documents used to claim the legitimacy to the office used in Hawaii & the other 49 states back in 2008 (& 2012?). In HI they removed the phrase “constitutionally eligible” from their candidacy documents. She knew as likely did the entire DNC apparatus that they were putting up an illegitimate candidate. That’s probably why McCain was the RNC choice. The Uniparty wants to destroy the NBC criteria to the presidency, likely to promote the destruction of the US & the rise of global power…
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Valerie…..I’ve got all it……I think I finally figured out the one of reasons no congress-critter would dare touch it, is that every one of them at the beginning congressional session….had to vote to approve the Electoral College numbers…essentially certifying the President Election…….They WERE ALL GUILTY, before they even realized it.
But also, NuttyNan, is the one who certified Obie as a candidate for the Demonrat Party. Big crime.
We will NOT allow that to happen again. (The professional investigators, who were Alinskied (called birthers) continued on……there is so much documentation on Obie’s fraud, you would not believe.
Also, looking back…..the Fraudster was a prime example of why the Founders did not want a anyone with any other possible foreign loyalty….to the the Commander in Chief of our military…..which is ultimately what this is about.
ps And I have consulted with multiple Constitutional literate, including reading the Federalist’s Papers, and there is no doubt in my mind, the original intent was to that the potential candidate, must be born here to TWO Citizen parents.
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Yes, I agree. NBC is surely born on US soil to 2 US citizen parents, anything less than that is questionable. Dual citizenship (& citizen of the world) would/should be an automatic disqualifier.
That usurpation by aka BHO was possibly the biggest political scandal before he & HRC used much of the usurped power of the govt to try to stop Donald Trump (the Big Ugly, as Sundance has said).
I wonder if there is any chance that the BHO usurpation & the Big Ugly will ever be “common knowledge” for the masses? Right now it seems most non-red-pilled regular people would consider these things to just be conspiracy theories of the “far-right fringe”…
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I’ve argued this in the past, but I’m not sure that it requires two citizen parents. It certainly is not yet determined by Congress or the Supreme Court the exact meaning of natural born citizen. That needs to happen.
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I think with 2 citizen parents And born on US soil (jus sanguinis & jus soli, I believe) there is no question that a person meets Natural Born Citizen qualification. Less than that brings in questions. Being born on US soil alone can mean Native born citizen, which is less solid of an assurance of undivided loyalties. If one’s parent(s) is from another country it would tend to divide one’s loyalties, imho.
Constitutionally, the Natural Born Citizen requirement is the most stringent presidential qualification & it is important, even imperative, for the Commander in Chief & leader of the free world.
The Framer’s Wisdom in requiring this condition for the office of the President was prescient & profound. Can you even imagine what the Founding Fathers would have said about the BHO usurpation & obamanation?!
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The problem, Valerie, is that the term “Natural Born Citizen” has never been legally defined and, while we each have an opinion of what that means, it is still up in the air. I don’t want to argue with you – or anyone else – about it, because our arguing will not solve the problem. If you want to know what I think (not know), I think that one citizen parent is required and, on the face of it, Barack Obama met that qualification. Doesn’t mean I like him any better! And there might be something about him that was covered up that none of us know.
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So you think dual citizenship is Not a disqualifier for Natural Born Citizenship?
I’m not trying to argue it either. I read A Lot of material on this topic in 2007-8 & beyond but don’t believe there is a clear substantive definition out there, though there are many informed opinions from constitutional scholars.
Somewhere there was a clip/quote of Clarence Thomas joking about how they were trying to avoid answering the question of what NBC meant, or something like that, in the BHO rise to power era–Cowards!
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I can’t see where I ever said that dual citizenship is, or is not, a disqualifier. In fact, the topic wasn’t broached at all (unless I am misreading what you wrote).
I don’t mean to make little of what you know or have read. I also have read a lot on the subject myself. No matter how much we read or know, it doesn’t (in my mind) mean that the term Natural Born Citizen is clearly legally defined.
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My dual citizenship comment was pertaining to BHO based on his purported birth story. The divided loyalties aspect of dual citizenship, or of having a non-citizen parent, being a common sense way to grasp the importance of natural born citizenship as a requirement for the presidency.
Since no courts were willing to tackle the NBC issue pertaining to BHO, & as Clarence Thomas joked the SCOTUS tried to dodge that bullet, it seems unlikely that this issue will ever get a real hearing or decision from a high enough governmental body to satisfy those of us who are concerned about this arena…
BHO appears to have been a test case & (perhaps) given his skin color there was no constitutional fortitude within the powers that be to challenge his legitimacy via the NBC question. Looks like this will remain an unsatisfactory & unresolved issue…
Some of the court cases cited in some of those historical discussions, perhaps Wong Kim Ark, that dealt with citizenship, also have implications on the birthright citizenship issue. I believe the term in question was “owing allegiance”…as in if someone is born on US soil but their parents owe allegiance elsewhere (are not US Citizens) then that child would not automatically be granted US citizenship.
I believe sometime in the 1800’s or early 1900’s that view changed, though I don’t know if that change was legally supported. So now it is Assumed that if you are born on US soil you automatically become a US citizen. This is actually a huge issue in the illegal aliens/chain migration debate. So digging into the cases re: NBC might mean potentially wading into the weeds on other citizenship issues…
Does Anyone really believe that Roberts has the testicular fortitude to take on such controversies with extremely wide-ranging implications? These things will likely remain academic discussions by scholars with no definitive “ruling” to lay the issues “to rest” (like “settled science” & all!)…
Thanks for bringing up the topic, Stella. It still deserves addressing by those in power, but let’s not hold our breath here!
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Dual citizenship refers to a single person who has citizenship in two countries. Not uncommon, but that doesn’t apply in any of these cases. The only reference I have seen from documents of the times is that the father must be a citizen of the United States. That is because women didn’t count back then as legal parents. The man that a woman was married to at the time of birth was the legal parent (even if he did not father the child). I would imagine that courts today would consider either the father OR the mother being a citizen as the legal requirement. Not both.
ADD: These references to a requirement for a father to be born in the country pertains to England, not the United States. At the time of the Constitutional Convention, the original text merely required citizenship, but the term was changed to Natural Born Citizen at the behest of John Jay, without explanation of what that means. The inference was that it meant born on U.S. soil, rather than being born in another country and becoming a naturalized citizen.
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