General Discussion, Saturday, February 24, 2018

A Light Exists In Spring

A light exists in spring
Not present on the year
At any other period.
When March is scarcely here

A color stands abroad
On solitary hills
That science cannot overtake,
But human nature feels.

It waits upon the lawn;
It shows the furthest tree
Upon the furthest slope we know;
It almost speaks to me.

Then, as horizons step,
Or noons report away,
Without the formula of sound,
It passes, and we stay:

A quality of loss
Affecting our content,
As trade had suddenly encroached
Upon a sacrament.

Emily Dickinson

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111 Responses to General Discussion, Saturday, February 24, 2018

  1. Lucille says:

    Woman Surprised to Find Her Dog Comforting a Grieving Stranger in the Airport
    By Good News Network – Feb 23, 2018

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  2. stella says:

    Police Chief Says Some Detroit Teachers Should Be Armed

    In the wake of this month’s school shooting in Parkland, Fla., Detroit Police Chief James Craig said he is open to the idea of some teachers being armed with guns in classrooms.

    “Certainly, there should be a very thorough vetting process,” Craig said in an interview with WWJ’s Greg Bowman. “When I talk about vetting, I mean someone who is trained, someone who is responsible, the rigors associated with someone in a school environment. It could be an ex-military, ex-police officer; some of those folks are teachers, as an example.”

    Craig likened the vetting process to that of airlines following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, in that some pilots — not all — are allowed to carry weapons after a vetting process.

    “I think you can look at it through the same lens,” Craig said. “It’s sad that we have to have conversations about mass shootings in schools or in churches, but unfortunately that’s the world we live in, so I’ve been very vocal about this whole issue.”

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Backn to this again – New Orleans had this conversation about arming teachers back in the 80s when black murders of other students was epidemic. Enrollment in parochial schools by all races soared as they didn’t have shootings, just the 3rd world NOLA public schools.
      Kids were getting shot during gang/drug disputes, because they had vav particular jacket, shoes or backpack. One that sticks with me is a black student upset about something got his AK, crawled along a blind area along the back of the school, entered the yard through an unrepaired hole in the ‘security’ fence and hosed down a student assembly in the gym. My kids went back to Denver for school as they felt and were unsafe in NOLA schools. At my oldest son’s high school the teachers were scared stiff as the stdents, many from the old Fischer Projects, were better armed than the National Guard.
      Officers from NOPD and deputies from the SOs were put into the school early on (just like the students we brought our own soap and TP) for security. OK, a good part of the reason was so that if there were any violent incidents the school board could duck the blame and throw it all on us, but until the metal detector checkpoints were installed much later the number of incidents decreased sharply.
      The other question I have is ‘which teachers would be artmed?’. I wouldn’t have trusted a lot of teachers in the old NOLA system with a plastic spoon, never mind a gun. Who will choose what type of ammunition they’ll carry – a miss inside of a school will go thru a lot of walls until something or someone stops that bullet. How often will the designated shooters practice and who’ll train them? What are rules and conditions of engagement? Who assumers pecuniay liability in any defensive actions? And the questions go on….
      I’d suggest an ‘honest’ search into why the latest rash of white shootings is occurring. The shooters aren’t drug dealers or gang members, don’t appear to be expressing some form of suppressed ethnic rage – whazzup? Problem I see is that there’s no way you can get the words ‘honest’ and ‘investigation’ into the same sentence here. Everyone involved has an agenda and will be pulling and reshaping any ‘facts’ to meet their preconceived conclusions. Gyuess we just gotta go knee jerk and blame the guns.


      • stella says:

        I would suggest that schools considering arming teachers take a look at programs already in place in other states/cities and see what they are doing. I’m sure all of these issues can be worked out.


        • czarowniczy says:

          I can see the liberal teachers giving the armed less-liberal teachers a hard time while tort lawyer open satellite offices near schools.
          Yes, it can be worked out but there will be slips – bet they thought they had it all worked out in Florida. We have a tendency to slap a patch in place and think it’s all better now, Florida showed the fallicy in that. We had a total failure from top to bottom in the LEA put specifically in place to prevent this shooting from happening…maybe we should go back to dealing with this – unobstructed by government – at the home level


          • stella says:

            In Florida, most of their problems were caused by intentional actions to protect the punk petty (and not so petty) criminals, and their Federal funds, by not calling crimes what they are, and charging criminals with actual crimes.

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      • michellc says:

        Of course we’re in Oklahoma, but in the 80’s I know of a lot schools that most teachers had guns either on their person, in a desk drawer or in their vehicle. Teens, especially teen boys still had rifles in a gun rack in their truck.


      • michellc says:

        Nobody is going to look at the “why” because that would mean they would have to start looking at the liberal agendas that cause it. Lack of God, lack of family units(especially boys growing up without fathers), drugs for every kid who has too much energy, not expelling and/or arresting teens who steal, vandalize, etc., video games that are so realistic, kids glued to phones/I-pads, every kid is a victim, kids are never held responsible for their actions by parents or schools, copy cats who see all the attention these sorry people get, then there’s the social media that I would imagine makes it tough for kids today. I know I would have hated when I was a teen to know any move I made even slumber parties could have me plastered all over the internet.

        It mainly boils down to parents, most of this they could control, but many of them are SJW liberals that feed all of it.

        Now would you have to worry about some stupid teacher accidentally or on purpose firing their weapon, probably in some parts of the country you would have to. On the other hand though if someone is about to shoot them then they’re more likely to try and shoot them first.

        A lot of it imho can be stopped with nothing more than people knowing it’s not a gun free zone. These kids are going to be less likely to attempt it if they think they will be stopped before they can carry it out. You wouldn’t have to arm all teachers, just a few and let it be known teachers and staff were armed.
        There are many schools now who are already doing it.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          Lt boils down to parents PERIOD, but they’ve been largely been convinced that many of the parenting tasks they’ve traditionally been charged with are best done by state functionaries.
          Parents sit in the corner while school boards and teachers run over them like a steamroller. They don’t engage the kids they let them be entertained by electronics. Instead of being taught righteous and civilized behaviors their still developing brains are sotted by violent video games – they can even shoot, stab, behard and whatever each other in realtime online. The corrosive effects of long hours playing video games was researched weell over twenty years ago and that was before the games became as bloody, brutal and antisocial as they are now.
          The state is busily trying to destroy religion and insert its own version of flexible morality, they’re just a whisker away from dragging recalcitrant kids to church child abuse…if it feels good, do it!
          I know teachers here were largely against arming their peers even if their peers wanted it. We lost a lot of teachers to the freerange violence in the schools here but they’d rather leave than stand their ground. Interestingly one told me years ago when this first came up that there were worries that some armed teacher might shoot a student physically assaulting him/her and the school would be sued. Physical assaults on teachers by thugs wasn’t rare at all and policy was to basically take the beating then report the student to school admin.


          • michellc says:

            I know it could happen that a teacher would shoot a student intentionally or accidentally. It’s the same though with LE or armed security. I’m sure at some point in your career you hoped one you had to work with didn’t shoot you. It’s not a knock on LE, it’s just the truth some of them couldn’t hit anything they shoot at, yet are taught to keep firing until their gun is empty. Training for them is becoming almost a joke in many places.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              We had to successfully shoot the state POST course yearly to retain our commissions. I can remember one year where the overwhelming majority FAILED to qualify meaning that on Monday morning few of the deputies could carry firearms. At another qualification shoot the cylinder just fell out of the deputy’s gun as he shot. No knock, even though LEA carries many are not gun savvy and don’t feel any more comfortable with it than a billy club. Not every recruit comes with gun experience, many have never held on before.
              That said, the ones who stayed outside of the school should be released and given help finding a job that doesn’t require commitment.


              • michellc says:

                I think our Highway Patrols have to have gun training, but most of the local police and deputies just have to shoot so many rounds through their gun to get certified and re-certified. It doesn’t matter if they hit what they’re aiming at.
                I kind of have a problem with that as it doesn’t make me feel too safe. It also doesn’t help because I’ve always had family members in LE and have went shooting with them.


  3. We listen to a station on I Heart Radio. Classic Funk, it’s called.

    Here. I was 4 when this came out, and why haven’t I heard of them?

    This is phenomenal music. Bigly.

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  4. nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ czarina33! (aka czarina) 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Covfefe! (aka “Wooly Phlox” aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! (aka “doodahdaze”) 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (Gentleman Jack Whiskey Sling)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Kamikaze)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂 |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ rheavolans! (aka “Rhea Salacia Volans”) 🙂 |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ joshua! 🙂 |_| (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ John Denney! 🙂 |_| (RumChata)
    Mornin’ litenmaus! 🙂 |_| (Stolichnaya elit, no ice)
    Mornin’ kinthenorthwest! 🙂 🍸 (A Lonely Island Lost in the Middle of a Foggy Sea)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Smoking Bishop)
    Mornin’ patternpuzzler! 🙂 🍸 (Old Lady)
    Mornin’ Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG! 🙂 |_| (Red Russian)
    Mornin’ G-d&Country! 🙂 🍸 (Blind Russian)
    Mornin’ Gary! 🙂 |_| (Yuengling)
    Mornin’ valeriecurren! 🙂 🍸 (Flaming Sambuca)
    Mornin’ Lucille! 🙂 🍸 (Peach Schnapps)
    Mornin’ Lburg! 🙂 🍸 (Lburg lemonade)
    Mornin’ davidhuntpe! 🙂 |_| (Baileys Irish Cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ skipper1961! 🙂 |_| (Brompton’s Cocktail – No cherry, no umbrella, no plastic monkey)
    Mornin’ mightyconservative! 🙂 |_| (Benjamin Franklin’s clarified milk punch)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:


    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Doughnuts and coffee!

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  5. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ glories!

    Liked by 5 people

  6. Menagerie says:

    Good morning! Weekend is here, and it’s still spring like weather. They say rain is coming, but we had three days of brilliant sun that we weren’t supposed to get. I’ll take it!

    When a child is given to his parents, a crown is made for that child in Heaven, and woe to the parents who raise a child without consciousness of that eternal crown.

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    • This is why I listen to Rachmaninoff and The Flashbulb.

      It’s even more complex than the stuff we’re watching.


      • joshua says:

        I do not understand what happened to the old meaning of the word “funk” and who or what kidnapped it and attached it to sorta music stuff.


        • You ever watch a guitarist or bassist play something really soulful, and watch their face?

          They look like (and so do I, at times) like they smell something that someone just stepped in, or put — nevermind — while they play. It’s called Stank Face. Everybody does it who plays. Watch John Mayer with stank face. Watch Jimi Hendrix with stank face. Watch Derek Trucks at 15 years of age tearing up Clapton’s Leyla with stank face.

          Nothing happened to the old meaning of the word “funk”.

          It still means the same thing it always did. It still makes you go “Uhh!” and “OW!”, and make that face, like you just smelled something really bad, but really good. It’s kind of hard to explain. Difficult, I mean. 😀


    • auscitizenmom says:

      I’m not totally convinced, but I sure have doubts. SMH


  7. stella says:

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  8. Lucille says:

    David, who is from Israel, posted this at CTH. Forward it to everyone with children in school…

    Protect – Itay Gil – Active shooter – Schools – Bataclan

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    • Sharon says:

      I found the video on line and sent it to family and friends. My sons already know these principles – they can share with their children…

      Helplessness in the presence of bad people is not a good survival tactic, that’s for sure.

      It occurs to me that even in a convenience store holdup – what would happen if the 4-5-6 other customers in the store, observing what was happening, suddenly started throw heavy, full liquor bottles at the perp? …and anything else they can get their hands on. In church? throw books and chairs. None of it is perfect but I, for one, am changing my default thinking on this and even if I didn’t save my life, I don’t intend to die without trying to.

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  9. Sharon says:

    obama’s goal to fundamentally transform the United States remains the same. He is still focused on that mission.

    Read his twitter from two days ago:


    Young people have helped lead all our great movements. How inspiring to see it again in so many smart, fearless students standing up for their right to be safe; marching and organizing to remake the world as it should be. We’ve been waiting for you. And we’ve got your backs.

    8:00 AM – Feb 22, 2018

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  10. Lucille says:

    FBI was told by someone close to Nikolas Cruz that “he’s so into ISIS”
    February 23, 2018 by Robert Spencer

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  11. rheavolans says:

    I got to try Plum Sake last night. It was good. I think I’ve found my new preferred adult beverage. 😀

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  12. michellc says:

    Thank goodness it has finally quit raining. I actually saw some sunshine a little while ago. I almost forgot what it looked like. 🙂

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    • Here, too!!! Hallelujah! After two weeks of rain, the sun came out and I got to get things done that I’ve been needing to do. One being, going to vote! Afternoon, Michelle.

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      • michellc says:

        Well, we didn’t get much done because the rain didn’t move out until a little after 2 this afternoon. We still though got about 45 minutes of sunshine.

        Of course a pregnant gilt pig decided to start birthing babies right in the middle of a thunderstorm this morning. That took up the entire day.
        Nine little piggies born alive though and we just got finished checking on them and all 9 are still alive.

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  13. Lucille says:


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  14. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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