General Discussion, Tuesday, November 15, 2016

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  1. texan59 says:

    Hit the rack a little early last night and headed off into the jungle a bit early this mornin’, so sorry ya’z didn’t have any coffee to start off this joyous week. This’ll have to get ya started. I think there’s still some cake left on the poetry/birthday page. Coffee up y’all.

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  2. MaryfromMarin says:

    A good read:

    American Uprising [Daniel Greenfield]

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/11/american-uprising.html

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  3. MaryfromMarin says:

    Another in the countdown:

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    • czarowniczy says:

      One of our coworkers was a vegetarian and brought in tofu turkey – that stuff would creep out a trash masher.

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      • Menagerie says:

        I don’t get why vegetarians have fake meat. If I ever decide to be one, I’m going to get my protein from stuff like nuts and beans and whatever, not something that reminds me of what I’m missing.

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        • stella says:

          We tried the fake turkey one year (beside the regular turkey) for our vegetarian. It wasn’t such a big hit. He’s happy now with the potatoes, corn casserole and veggies, and I add a dish of mac and cheese, which both boys like.

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        • nyetneetot says:

          There was a book published in 1936, “You must eat meat; fancies, foibles and facts about meat” by Max Ernest Jutte. Great book that took on the new and dangerous fad at the time of vegetarianism. Apparently, like much of the stupidity to come out of the first half of the 20th century it has ties to scientific socialism.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          I think it’s largely part of a pretentious splay on their parts. “Look how superior I am, you murdering meat eaters, but you can become a grazer while still eating something shaped like meat.”

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        • The Tundra PA says:

          I was a vegetarian for about 10 years (hey–it was southern California in the 70s!). Protein source, as you say, was nuts, beans, dairy. None of that fak-o meatless meat substitute, which is all highly processed krap. Fortunately, I’ve been in recovery for many years. It is really tough to be a vegetarian in Alaska. And expensive.

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          • jeans2nd says:

            My freshman year at college, one of my biology teachers taught us why, amino acid-wise, animals – including human – need protein and why it cannot be found in vegetables and fruits. Contrary to prevailing opinion, I was not too young to understand, and never went down the vegetarian path. Never ever regretted it.

            The same wise ones never understood why I never walked down the Gaia path, either. Very strange folks, all those people.

            Well done on your recovery. I have heard Alaska is the best place to go.

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          • michellc says:

            Vegetarians weren’t always nuts like the majority are today, but then the majority today have taken it to a new level with being vegan.
            I like veggies and could almost be vegetarian, especially in the summer with everything fresh out of the garden except I can’t learn and don’t want to learn how to cook without lard and bacon grease and many veggies, especially beans taste so much better when bacon, hocks or ham are added to them.
            Okay, I’m joking I honestly couldn’t be vegetarian, I even add bacon or ham to a salad, can’t eat one without meat added, but I do love veggies. lol

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            • The Tundra PA says:

              I dunno, michellc. They were pretty nuts 40 years ago when I was one. The more restrictive your diet, the more superior you were justified in feeling towards all whose diet was less restrictive than yours. Fruitarians were the top of the pile, although the mythical Breatharians (no food, only deep breathing) were considered the ultimate in purity. Never met one myself.

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              • auscitizenmom says:

                You never met one because they are all dead from starvation. O_o

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              • michellc says:

                Maybe it’s because I wasn’t in California, but the few I knew way back when didn’t advertise it or harp on it. They could come over for dinner and just find something on the table they’d eat or politely decline to eat.
                The few I’ve had the misfortune to be around in the last 10 years or so, question everything, especially the vegans. Too bad for them, never is a vegan going to find anything they can eat on my table. lol

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                • stella says:

                  My girlfriend (back in the 1970’s and 80’s) was that way. She could always find something to eat and never made a big deal out of it.

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                  • auscitizenmom says:

                    Back in the 70’s my husband and I went on a totally vegetarian diet. After two weeks, he wanted a hamburger and that ended that. However, I discovered that I didn’t digest beef well, for whatever reason and that was what gave me stomach aches so often. So, I just gave it up completely and never missed it. I try to keep people from worrying about feeding me because my focus has always been on the salad, bread, and vegetables at a meal. If there is no chicken or fish, it isn’t a problem for me. I don’t feel overlooked.

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                  • michellc says:

                    That’s my problem with it, because honestly I don’t care what anyone eats, is the people who have to make a big deal about it and tell others they shouldn’t eat meat.

                    I also don’t like it being pushed socially, such as meatless Mondays and a lot of public schools follow that crap now. Yet, I would imagine they’d have a fit if you had vegless Tuesdays.

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                  • stella says:

                    Well, we did have meatless Fridays in school to accommodate our Catholic classmates. I didn’t mind. It usually was something like tomato soup and grilled cheese.

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                  • auscitizenmom says:

                    We used to have fish sticks. I liked fish sticks and looked forward to them. πŸ™‚ I truthfully didn’t know why we had them on Friday. I am not sure I ever questioned it. Maybe I did.

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                  • michellc says:

                    I don’t know why those who don’t want meat can pass on meat and those who do want meat can have meat.
                    Today what I see a lot of these kids saying they get to eat on meatless Mondays is veggie burgers and vegan hotdogs, except for the lucky ones who have salad bars. A grilled cheese is probably not acceptable under Michelle’s rules.

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                  • stella says:

                    We might have had tuna salad sandwiches, too, but I know we didn’t have cheese pizza, because it wasn’t so popular then.

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                  • michellc says:

                    We never had pizza either. We did have hamburgers and the buns were always freshly baked.
                    Chili day though was always my favorite because we always had freshly baked cinnamon buns on chili day.

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                  • stella says:

                    I think lunchroom food was much better back then.

                    Like

                  • michellc says:

                    I doubt many of these lunchroom ladies today would even know how to bake bread.
                    I think their idea of homemade now is boiling hot dogs.

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                  • auscitizenmom says:

                    I remember Sloppy Joes.

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                  • stella says:

                    In our day, I’m sure it was for the convenience of the kitchen staff, rather than any strict adherence to meatless Friday. It’s so much easier to have only one thing to serve. In those days everything as cooked on site. No frozen food, and NO microwaves!

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    • Col.(R) Ken says:

      Tofu reminds me of the movie solvent green,……

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    • WeeWeed says:

      Mornin’ kids!

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  4. MaryfromMarin says:

    In case you were wondering…

    http://www.xmasclock.com/

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  5. MaryfromMarin says:

    “Write of passage” humor:

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  6. MaryfromMarin says:

    Okay, last one for tonight. Interesting article…

    Liberals, NeverTrumps, establishment Republicans: You elected The Donald

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/liberals_nevertrumps_establishment_republicans_you_elected_the_donald.html

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  7. nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! πŸ™‚ |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! πŸ™‚ |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) πŸ™‚ |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ Czarina! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! πŸ™‚ |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! πŸ™‚ |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! πŸ™‚ |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! πŸ˜€ |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) πŸ™‚ |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! πŸ™‚ |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! πŸ™‚ |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) πŸ™‚ |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! πŸ™‚ |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! πŸ™‚ (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll πŸ™‚ |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! πŸ™‚ |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! πŸ™‚ |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! πŸ™‚ |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! πŸ™‚ |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! πŸ™‚ |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! πŸ™‚ |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (β€œStellars”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! πŸ™‚ |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1961 ChΓ’teau Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) πŸ™‚ |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! πŸ˜› (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! πŸ˜•

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Doughnuts and coffee!

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  8. amwick says:

    Happy news, Cows in New Zealand rescued.

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  9. WeeWeed says:

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    • nyetneetot says:

      Stupid advertisements would pop up while I was picking my answers and move everything up or down.

      I missed 3, but the score says I got 3.

      Like

    • czarowniczy says:

      Suite test but the heard of advertisements lead my patients to wander. Seams I missed sum butt aisle sea if eye can get better with thyme.
      And it’s going to be a long day.

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      • The Tundra PA says:

        Years ago, Mensa put out a collection of fairy tales written in word combinations based strictly on sound (“barns mar mouse” = burns my mouth). So the appearance on the page was just a jumble of words, but reading the story aloud was a perfect rendition of the fairy tale. There was Goldilocks and the Three Bears, Little Red Riding Hood, and I think a few more. I would love to find these again as they are so fun! Have tried a few times without success.

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    • The Tundra PA says:

      OK, that was fun. I got 28 out of 30 and am irritated with myself at the 2 that I missed. I’m a hopeless geek sometimes.

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    • amwick says:

      I was doing really well, but then my neighbor came over to discuss the fire…
      I may have to start over….

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  10. lovely says:

    I know like me most of you don’t listen to Obama he is on TV right now and speaking from Greece, he has not yet made a coherent sentence.

    Great time to be alive!

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    • nyetneetot says:

      Is he speaking in a fake Italian accent like he’s the Godfather?

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      • lovely says:

        More doing a Porky the Pig impersonation. He does such a terrible job with impromptu talking.

        “Blah blah blah I had great agenda the only thing that stopped me from implementing my agenda was a republican congress…. blah blah blah….. Everyone is better off today than they were when I took office even those rat bastage misogynistic racists xenophobes who voted for Trump are better off than the day I came into office.

        πŸ™„ No we are not, but that is another discussion, but if we are to draw the logical conclusion from Obies words then the republican congress stopping the implementation of the Rule of Obama made America a better place.

        πŸ€”What a buffoon.

        Most telling is that this was the second time Obama said that time will tell. If the US/world gets better under Trump then Obama’s world view is wrong If the US/world gets worse under Trump then Obama was right.

        This is their plan Soros Inc. already has the wheels running to cause civil unrest, economy manipulation and all sorts malicious activity to make the US as much of a living hell as they can.

        Obama currently talking about the unprecedented peace and prosperity that his presidency has brought to the US and the world stage. “That is my strong belief and I think I have very good evidence to prove it” Barack Obama is a dangerous delusional man. He may just start a major war days before leaving office.

        Oh and Obama said Trump is a dangerous nationalist in the likeness of Putin. He said it in such a way that the MSM will say that Obama continues to be conciliatory and an all around lovely, gracious chap.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        No, he’s going Greek. Jes out dere lyin’ to a new group, SSDD,,,Same Shiite Different Dhimmi.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      He’s busy transitioning from ‘I inherited this mess from Bush’ to ‘if it all goes wrong under Trump it’s his fault and if it goes right it’s because of the groundwork I laid’.

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  11. Col.(R) Ken says:

    Hi Sharon, Ad Rem, just thinking of you…….

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  12. stella says:

    Seen on Facebook:

    Clarice Feldman

    From my friend a small town newspaper owner to the AP:

    Dear AP:

    1) Please drop β€œbillionaire” from the AP Trump lexicon. For variety, try β€œPresident elect” instead.

    2) Gayness is not a relevant attribute that needs to be attached to articles when considering appointments.

    3) Your clauses claiming inexperience do you no credit. You do not provide evidence about what experience matters,

    4) Please point to the evidence about Bannon. NPR ran some scurrilous rumors in August, but the anti-Semitic hokum has been adequately countered by Jewish co-workers. [Incidentally, I have gotten pointers to more legitimate news from Breitbart.com than from NPR and been led astray more by CNN than by Breitbart.]

    I look forward to seeing your Breitbart evidence.

    I see that the post election period will be as difficult for corporate journalists — a group that includes AP — as before the election.

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  13. stella says:

    Seen on Facebook:

    The speculation continues apace, to be stopped by the naming.

    All this back-and-forth about State reminds me of a story I once heard about George Schultz, when he was Reagan’s Secretary of State.

    It seems that whenever a new ambassador was appointed to a given country and confirmed to the post, Schultz invited the new ambassador to his office for a visit before dispatch. As part of that visit, Schultz would nod towards to a large map of the world he kept on his office wall and ask the new ambassador to go to the map and point to his country. In the telling I remember, each new ambassador would to up to that map and point to the country to which he was to serve as ambassador.

    Schultz would then say, “No.” He would rise, go to the map himself, and point to the United States of America. “THIS is your country.”

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  14. amwick says:

    Meanwhile, in my neck of the woods:

    Wish I had somebody’s ability with a camera, but this is as good as I get….

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  15. michellc says:

    I read on GP that the House unanimously elected Ryan as speaker again. I doubted any of Oklahoma’s congressmen would listen to my opinion with the exception of Bridenstine, I didn’t expect him to vote for him with or without anyone expressing their opinions.

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  16. ImpeachEmAll says:

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  17. lovely says:

    I think that this may be my favorite summation of election night in one picture.

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  18. lovely says:

    Wow. As much of a jerk that Ben Shapiro is DePaul security just blocked him from entering after he was approved and told him he would be arrested if he attempted to go into the hall.

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  19. Wooly Phlox says:

    I quit my job Sunday, just around noon. Gave the kitchen manager my keys to all the businesses, and said, “It’s been a pleasure.” He came outside a minute later, and convinced me to take a breather and come back inside. He gave me the keys and said he couldn’t accept them, and told me that he, a trained chef, my age, respects me greatly and I know he’s speaking true true. That’s why he knows he needs to move my OCD arse from dish to prep. Dish is just a fast-spinning driveshaft in the middle of the machine. Line needs plates. FOH needs cups, glasses, flatware. Line needs 1/6 pans of stuff chopped on the fly or thrown in the oven. They want me to do to Prep what I did to dish, and then the same for Line.

    Ten dollars an hour. What a 17-y.o. newbie line cook makes. Nine years. Dish, Prep, Faucet repair. Epoxy grout. Construction. Painting. Flood remediation. Plumbing. FOH dusting. Drain cleaning. Basement organization. Epoxy floor painting and sealing.

    I’m a dishwasher. The managers are asking for my advice.

    No raise in seven years. I love them all, and I have some patience, it would seem.

    Lil’ bit.

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    • stella says:

      You are the only one who knows your situation, but it sounds like they are taking advantage of you.

      Calmly tell them what you think you should be earning, and what you want to do.

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      • Wooly Phlox says:

        The new managers have been here 7 months.

        I’ve known this joint, and all four others, for 9 years.

        It ain’t the new managers taking advantage of me.

        I’ll probably eat turkey at the bossman’s crib again this year.

        And he lets me drive all his vehicles. And doesn’t mind when I go make a sammich at midnight.

        He doesn’t scream at me any more, only because I don’t deserve it any more.

        But a 17-year-old’s pay? I said,

        “Look, man…come down here…” –George Thorogood.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      Wooly, I believe what you say when you say it. I have no doubt that you are worth way more than they are paying you. There is nothing wrong with asking for a raise. Best to do it calmly, though. Stella is right.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      I open at 6 tomorrow. I wake at 5.

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    • lovely says:

      Wooly, I am happy that you are returning, something folks like us (mind never stops people with addictive personalities) don’t need is a whole lot of idle time.

      You are worth more than you are being paid. Figure it out. Have you talked to the new management about it?

      Even a dollar raise is a soul booster. You are friendly with the boss man, I don’t know him but I know ownership in general, you show up every day, work your ass off and you know how to fix what they don’t even know needs fixing. And you can fill in for just about anyone. That is invaluable and the boss man knows that it would cost him a lot of trouble and money to replace you.

      I can’t speak to your specific situation but in general terms I would ask for a $2 dollar raise, tell him it’s been 7 years, tell him that you both know you are worth it and the restaurant and the boss mans pocket book will be the biggest beneficiary in the long run.

      You are worth more than 12 dollars an hour but that is another discussion. So what if some teenagers make the same amount of money as you don’t get hung up on that. Some adults make $7.50 an hour, the dollar amount is not a measure of your worth.

      That said I had a friend, Ted, who pushed it too long and then Ted told the owner some honest but uncomfortable things with a lot of foul language thrown into the critique right in the middle of a retail store with customers around. Ted threw away his job and his references in one fit of anger. Don’t be a Ted!

      So think and pray it through Sweet Wooly!

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    • czarowniczy says:

      How’d the chicken-fried bacon with mango sqeezins go over?

      Liked by 1 person

  20. Wooly Phlox says:

    ‘Night, Stellars.

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