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From lighthouses to tall ships. Nice segue, stella.
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Speaking of Tall Ships…
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Drive-by:
“Islamic Refugee” With Gas Pipeline Plans Arrested in New Mexico Border County
https://counterjihadreport.com/2016/06/15/islamic-refugee-with-gas-pipeline-plans-arrested-in-new-mexico-border-county/
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The Fifth column has been in this country awhile, it’s going to be a rough couple of months.
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I’ve been here almost a decade, in this apartment.
I’ve never once, until tonight, ran back in and shut the door out of fear that the weather might kill me. I opened the door and my eyes inflated like in a Pixar movie.
(Look, God, I like thunderstorms and taking pictures of lightning, but jeez, Louise. From a distance, okay?)
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Wow! We get some doozies in Texas. Hurricanes when I lived on the coast and now tornadoes where I live now. Not fun. Can be very scary. Glad you are okay, WP!
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LOL!
Don’t come to Oklahoma, our weather will kill ya even behind closed doors.
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I’ve been on two planes hit by lightening (pucker factor 9.9) and we lose a tree or so a year to it here. On the ‘up’ side it makes the nitrogen trees need so I figure that I’m not in any trouble as long as I hear the thunder.
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Czar, was flying a Hawk from Bragg to Campbell. Pop up thunderstorms, while looking for a good place to set down, a bolt of lightning came down thru the rotor blades, yeah, my pucker factor was + 1000. We were still turning and burning, all breakers pop, electoral was off. My heart rate increased a bit until we set that bad boy down in a farmer’s corn field. Oh, I gave that old boy a hand written voucher for the acre of corn we damaged. Voucher was never submitted……..
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I had a flower pot, glazed, about 10″ square at the top of it.
It’s rubble now.
That’s what I call a thunderstorm.
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Stay indoors, WP!
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Blessings to all, this night/morning.
“Be our light in the darkness, O Lord, and in Your great mercy defend us from all perils and dangers of this night; for the love of Your only Son, our Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.”
—BCP—
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Good morning everybody! Love the ship, Stella!
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Good morning!
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Good morning! 😊
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Afternoon SAS!!
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Afternoon Col. Ken!
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I am in the US on business this week. Today at the hotel breakfast buffet I made peanut butter and bacon sandwich on a toasted English muffin. Mmmmmmmm.
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ZM welcome back home for a bit.
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OMA! Peanut butter?! English muffin?! Next you’ll be telling us you actually fondled the fruit compote at the breakfast buffet!
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{gasp}
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You forgot the important part: bacon. I cheerily bypassed the sodden fruit offering in favor of tasty fats like bacon and peanut butter. The English muffin is something we don’t get in Switzerland. As a kid I loved a toasted English muffin with butter that filled all the nooks and crannies.
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‘The sodden fruit offering’? Didn’t say you were in Frisco….
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ba da BING. He’s here all night folks!
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Sorry, just had to do it, it was low-hanging fruit.
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(throwing rotten tomatoes now)
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Staying with the fruit motif I see…
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You dragged us into the puns, fruitcake.
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Ran outta reply space again…you got contacts at WordPress? Anyway, nice seeing the thread come to fruition.
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Very appeeling exchange, gentlemen.
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ZMike, are you within the friendly confines of your former residence? Here in the Lone Star state??
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I am on business in Pennsylvania, then heading up to see my parents in Connecticut.
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Don’t let all those yankee’s get to ya. Have a wonderful visit with the parents. 🙂
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I am a Yankee (born and raised in Connecticut)!
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But……when you got here, everything changed for the better. BTW, don’t tell anyone but I’m Hoosier born. 😉
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LOL! I absolutely loved the 6 years I lived in Texas.
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Mornin’ kids!
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Morning Ms.WeeWeed!!! Glad the Sun rose this morning. Downpours, T&L most of the night. No damage, and all are accounted for.
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Mornin’ Colonel!
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Mornin’ Wee!
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Mornin’ Michelle!
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Good afternoon WeeWeed 🙂
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Evenin’ GF!
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More on TWA 800 from Mr. Cashill.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/who-in-media-will-cover-planes-shoot-down/
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Good morning y’all. Forecast is …hot. We’ve been getting rain showers to make that hot steamy. I see some bad storms hit all around us last night, but we got none of them.
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Oops, I was supposed to say “How you know when a Catholic is speeding.”
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I like “Don’t drive faster than you Guardian Angel can fly.”
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Fahre nicht schneller als dein Schutzengel fliegen kann. Same thing in German, it was on a sticker given to me by a family member when I first started driving on the Autobahn.
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It’s just hot and muggy here, no rain. I’m about ready for this 90 to 100% humidity to move on out. Even during morning chores I come in drenched.
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No rain in a couple of days but with thousands of acres of trees around us, all transpiring around 200 gallo s of water each per day, we gots dat hoooomidity to gonwith the roastybtemps. Looking at another 100 degrees and 90+% humidity.
Hep hep hep me Obama, saves me frum dis glowbull warmin’!
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We’re actually getting a little break today, the temp is 90 degrees and the humidity is only 69%.
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And this is only June. I shudder to think what you’ll have in August. Time to start planning your Alaska vacay! Just think…sunny days at 68 degrees, no humidity, magnificent vistas of huge snow and glacier capped mountains, whales breaching, moose ambling, bears fishing for salmon…y’all better get up here before Ozero sells us back to Russia (or to China) to pay for his Martha’s Vineyard vacation.
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I’ll keep my heat/humidity and you can keep those chicken-sized mosquitoes and those flesh-eating flies. I left a lotta blood in Fairbanks.
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Ok, yeah, we do have some of that. But we got ways to deal with ’em too. The Original Bug Shirt is a must-have bit of wardrobe.
http://www.rutabaga.com/original-bug-shirt-original-bug-shirt
http://www.bugshirt.com/us/
I’ve read that if you could compress the entire mosquito population in Alaska into a single block, it would measure one cubic mile.
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Thst’s where I started soaking my uniforms in the dilute insecticide solution to drive off the various cannibal bugs. Bears hell, the bugs’ll kill ya long before they do.
BTW, I’m all for the ‘compress ’em” thing.
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Mosquitoes are capable of killing a full grown caribou. And if I ever find the compressor that’ll pack ’em, I’m doing it. And then drop that nasty block out in the middle of the tundra somewhere a zillion miles from anybody.
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I needed one of those for Georgia. Only problem would have been that it was between 95* and 100* and 100% humidity. And, don’t bother to tell me it can’t be 100% because that is what they said on the TV every day. 😦
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😱
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I’ve had a few tundra mosquito divots spackled over, I’ll chip in for the compactor.
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My husband will be fishing about 70 miles off the Alaska coast in July.
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Fishing eh? You mean you chained a concrete block to his ankles?
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Concrete block diving, it’s the latest adventure sport………
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Especially in shark infested waters.
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No matter when yon Orca takes his salmon. Mother Nature…….
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He better not come home without my salmon.
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Listen, our 40th anniversary is Sunday. Go ahead and ask me where he will be. 😀
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Sleeping with the fishes?
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He’s leaving this morning for a weekend at the drag races. He goes with his pals every year. 😀
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????
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Yep, he’s a big fan of #216. Hoping for a win this weekend! 😀
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😯
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Well you just come along with him and you ‘n me’ll sip some Gentleman Jack while he brings us a hundred pounds of halibut!
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That’s funny!
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Awesome image, Menagerie!
😀
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In honor of the heritage of this particular area of the south, my beloved Georgia hills and valleys. Also, because I just love the song!
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Woops, should be this!
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Dagnabbit! I quit.
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Menagerie… Some days are just like that!!! LOL! I have problems posting, too.
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One more last try. Because moonshine!
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Yay!!!
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If I may, considerinng my area and the general non-PC attitude it incites, may I offer my Johnny Horton fav:
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I really love that one too. It’s one of his best.
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Thank you!
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PC can go jump in the lake. My family were there, from GA and SC. I think other Americans aren’t able to understand something maybe some Southerners can’t articulate. My heritage goes back to the first colonies. As far as I am concerned, I grew up knowing somehow, something similar to the way other countries or nation-states (European areas) feel about their people and history, living as descendants of those who had fought and been conquered and defeated, and the way the “spoils of war” ensued, the carpetbaggers and others coming in and wreaking havoc, taking out their animosity and superiority as the “victors” on my ancestors. Those Southern states weren’t just ethnic groups. They were states, with the supposed rights of states.
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No arguementnhere, my kid’s Mom’s family were plantation owners in Georgia. Plantation and fields were burned and they were part of the heavy post-Civil War exodus to Utah. No true love for PC or carpetbaggers here.
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BTW, reminds me the good old days when songs an shorter than car leases.
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LOVE Johnny Horton.
His stuff was manly. “We fired our guns and the British kep’ a runnin’.”
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And, of course, The Battle of New Orleans.
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There’s a whole story about the Rev JJ and his little Katrina game but I’ve been thru that before and, as I’m close to eating lunch, I’d rather not go thru that again.
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I had never heard that one before. 😯
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First time here, too.
Wonder if the front
door still opens? 😉
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What was taken from the Big Banks?
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Not much, tnose vault doors are solid and a lot of big businessmen got together and hired a major government-connected security firm, early on, to provide security for somevof their businesses.
For Posterity, as stuff never totally disappears from the net, I’ll say agian that when a major supermarket reopened on our undamaged side of the river soon after the power came back my wife and I watched ethnic-immigrant-laborers using shopping carts to tote 5-gallon buckets of coins into the store to be run through its coin counting machine. It was not just a few times as the sotted coins would blow the machine but at 10% of the take it was profitable enough forvthe machine to be regularly swapped out when we couldn’t get regular fuel deliveries. You’d be surprised to see how many easily-broken-into coin operated machines there are in a given city.
Lotsa wet money too, stores developed procedures for accepting wet money well after the waters receded. Then there were the houses on the Lakefront Area where looters were stashing their loot in bulk, complete with guards, until thry could losd it up and move out. The stadh houses were right next to a encampment where immigrant workers had set up in City Park…probably just a coincidence.
Oh, then the big convoy of pickup trucks headed west on the I-10 supposedly loaded with pilfered goods . There was radio traffic about stopping and inspecting it but from what we were told the decision to letting it go made at higher levels. The various LEAs are now saying they have no memory of this incident and have relegated it to urban myth status.
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Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
(Jack Daniels)
( and Czarina 🙂 🍸 )
(Mortlach)
(Roy Rogers)
(Classic Daiquiri)
(Blackberry wine)
(Backdraft)
(Jack Daniels)
(B52)
Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎
Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂
Mornin’ texan59! 🙂
Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂
Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂
Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂
Mornin’ ctdar! 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂
Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀
Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂
Mornin’ Howie! 🙂
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂
Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂
Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
Mornin’ lovely! 🙂
Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸
Mornin’ Pam! 🙂
Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂
Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂
Mornin’ Les! 🙂
Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂
Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂
Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂
Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂
Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂
Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸
Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸
Mornin’ whiners and complainers! ⭐ 😛 (No drink for you!)
Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕
Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra and F.D.R. in Hell!
Breakfast!
NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!
Pastries for coffee!
⭐ = Unprintable phallic symbol
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Mornin’! That’s too much food for me again this morning.
I asked the other half what he wanted for breakfast this morning and he said cereal and even that sounded like too much so I ate an orange for breakfast.
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Thank you, Nyet. Reminder to self, get some waffles for breakfast. Mornin’ Nyet, everyone. 🙂
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Uhhhhhhh…lookin’ but I don’t be seein’ no peanut butter or English muffins here……
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Hiding in plain sight. 😉
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Ooh nyet I needed that today! Thanks! Besides, I’ve been looking at my drinks and I think somebody has been stealing sips!
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LOL! I was wondering if I was going to be able to get away with the increase for a day.
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Nye, thank you, in from the latest T&L downpour, I see ZM left a plate of freshly fried BACON, so I’ll start there!!! Thank you Nye……
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Good afternoon Nyet 🙂
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West Hollywood Inundated With AMAZING Pro-Gun, Pro-Gay Posters
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6612/west-hollywood-inundated-poster-rainbow-gadsen-hank-berrien
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We’ve had posters advocating for armed gays in NOLA for decades, the French Quarter was was open gay bashing party. With the influx of Mideast immigrants having a means of defense isn’t a bad idea fir the proactive gay community, the police are stretched too thin as it is but there’s a sizable portion of that community, as with ours, that keeps its headbin the sand and just flits through life.
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A 15-hour filibuster by RATS dedicated to making unarmed, European, Judeo-Christian conservatives moving targets for their illegally-imported subjects. The RATS have implemented a limitation on the importation of foreign guns and gun parts but wholesale import Moslems and Latinos from uncivilized lands. We have background checks to buy a .22 single shot rifle for my GGS but 85,000 Moslems from areas sitted with terorists without a realistic background check are being brought in. Clinton msy have been our first black president but the POtuS appears to be our first black Moslem president.
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CIA Director (an Obama appointee) testifies before Congress that we are not even close to destroying ISIS and that ISIS is moving to sending single operatives to the West (apply at your closest US embassy). In response the POTuS and his RAT subjects push for more gun control and greater acceptance of Moslem immigration.
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Jo Cox, a member of the British Parliament, was killed after she was shot and killed by an unidentified assailant. She was very pro-immigration, wholeheartedly supporting the Islamization of Britain. Authorities say her attacker yelled ‘Britain First’, conveniently labeling him as a British patriot. Also conveniently the campaign to have a vote on getting Britain out of the EU was suspended ‘out of respect’ for her.
So now we have a martyr to increased immigration and brakes on the momentum for a vote on the Brits leaving the EU. Startin’ to smell like old fish…or are coincidences the order of the day?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304
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Priceless news from the Officer Goodson trial:
Chief Deputy Schatzow (prosecutor) asks Detective Taylor if it’s true that “you were removed from the case when I accused you of sabotaging the prosecution”
Taylor: “You made the request, but you don’t have authority to remove me.”
“You were not removed?” Schatzow asks.
“No” Taylor responds
Schatzow says he was told she was; she says she was only asked not to be police liaison w prosecutors but remains lead investigator
Schatzow then accuses Taylor of withholding information and working with defense.. She says info was given to Bledsoe, who pushed it away..
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Some people following the trials have wondered why the BPD lead investigator was never called by the prosecution as a witness. It seems, the state wasn’t aware of who was the lead investigator.
What a farce.
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Hey Orlando and America, all you need to know to understand what’s going on and what’s coming: ” I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
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Wow, first we have a member of the British Parliament shot, causing a disruption in the monentum of the ‘pull Britain out of the EU’ movement, and now we have the head of the US Fed coming out with an official statement that the US supports Britain staying in the EU. What’s next?
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The EU annexes Noth America?
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1917, 1941, 20XX – America rescues England’s butt again?
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Excellent essay.
[Description by Jack Cashill: This is from my friend, Sally Zelikovsky. An orthodox Jew and mother of three, she defied all stereotypes when she headed the SF Bay Area Patriots, a Tea Party group. Worth reading all the way through.]
Evolution of a Trump supporter
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/evolution_of_a_trump_supporter.html
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It Was John Brennan Himself Who Halted LEO Training on Islam, Jihad
[by Robert Spencer]
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/16/it-was-john-brennan-himself-who-halted-leo-training-on-islam-jihad/
While testifying in an open session of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, CIA director John Brennan admitted Thursday:
Despite all our progress against ISIL on the battlefield and in the financial realm, our efforts have not reduced the group’s terrorism capability and global reach.
He added that a significant element of that global reach is because the Islamic State:
… has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West … [ISIS is] probably exploring a variety of means for infiltrating operatives into the West, including refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel.
What Brennan did not say — and what no one in the committee or media challenged him about — was that he himself is largely responsible for this state of affairs.
As I reported earlier this week, John Brennan is the person who — after U.S. Muslim groups demanded he do so – “purged” all mention of Islam and jihad from law enforcement counter-terror training materials in 2011.
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In Brennan’s defense, lemme say he may well have a point in stopping training on Islam. First and foremost we have to as who approves and issues the training materials? Do you think the First Imam would approve anything that didn’t portray Islam in anything but a pure pink light? Second, these workers are pros, recruited in college, other government setvice, academia and the military for their respective jobs. I’m sure that they can educate themselves, never mind smelling a huge smokey pile of indoctrination for what it is. Why waste valuable analytical time on Islam for Dummies 101?
We picked up the Mideast mission in early 1984 and so began our mandatory classes on Islam. We had guys sleeping, reading books, listening to their Walkmans (Walkmen?), daydreaming, anything but listening to the boring Islam lectures. Then we had the issue of a senior officer who was a Moslem coming into the unit and telling us “Ya know, that ain’t quite right.”
I didn’t need to know squat about Islam to do my first major CENTCOM downtrace mission, itbhad nothing at all to do with Order of Battle issues. Ditto the counter terrorist job, that was so far removed from religious issues that it just as well could have been an Amish job and it sould have worked out. I question the need and motivations of anyone demanding education on Islam for the nation’s top analysts when they could as well educate themselves IF THEY EVEN NEEDED IT TO DO THEIR ASSIGNED TASKS. Sounds like indoctrination to me.
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Anonymous hacks ISIS’ Twitter, makes it as fabulously gay as humanly possible
Look, it’s not going to bring down the caliphate – but it is funny as hell.
It’s been an incredibly tough week for the LGBT community after the horrific murder of 49 people at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando.
While the rest of the world mourned the vile attacks, ISIS celebrated.
The organisation’s homophobia is well documented – it’s outlawed, punishable by death and there are grim videos of ISIS members publicly executing LGBT people.
So in a small, moral victory for the good guys, hacktivist collective, Anonymous, has infiltrated hundreds of pro-ISIS twitter accounts and given them a wonderfully gay makeover.
WauchulaGhost has also been tweeting out their IP addresses, phone numbers and other contact information for fellow hackers to use.
Explaining his motivation, he/she said:
I did it for the lives lost in Orlando.
Daesh [ISIS] have been spreading and praising the attack, so I thought I would defend those that were lost. The taking of innocent lives will not be tolerated.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/anonymous-hacks-isis%E2%80%99-twitter-makes-it-as-fabulously-gay-as-humanly-possible/ar-AAh6u9Y
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Agreed, but can I meekly suggest substituting ‘ISIS’s murderous intent’ or something to that order instead of ‘ISIS’s homophobia’? The LGBTXXXXXXXX crowd has already hijavked the word ‘homophobia’ and used it as a batbto beat anyonevwhomdiesn’t accept fullybtheir agenda. To equate homophobia with the Orlando murders just adds fuel to their already too large cultural pyre, it gives the term added power when it needs to be pared back and clearly defined.
This is about a religious attack on what the progs have made a major issue in our culture, one we’re not totally in agreement with. I just finished talking to my son in Dallas and his minister has delivered a sermon about safety from their services being attacked, especially as a new heavy-duty mosque is being built just down the road. I think we should be as concerned for Moslem attacks on our churches and synagogues as we are on gay night clubs. We won’t call an attack on them Judeo-Christianphobia…thePOtuS will, but we won’t.
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MaryfromMarin has some info about that … Her husband wrote a book about it.
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Sorry, I just developed a knee-jerk reaction to the word after being hit over the head with it from every level, MSM to local.
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No problem here. Several other words have been similarly pounded into our heads, and concepts. “People of color”, for instance. Well, I guess I’m a person of no color.
A few years back I decided to stop hating groups of people I don’t know. Like Libs, or Illuminati members, or Congress, or Hollywood people, or SJWs, or Republicans, or Journalists.
Instead I started loving people that I DO know, and ignoring all that.
How many times a day do you say “I hate…” ?
I’m really good at my job, wherever it may be now, is because my primary concern is “what action or speech can I use to make this co-worker’s life easier in the next two minutes?
Love is a verb. Not a feeling.
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My jobs required me putting mission over self and others. I brought my charges home and I guess they appreciated it more than a big hug. I don’t get ‘hi ya, hi yah’ or birthday cards but then it saves me reply stamps. I just try to do nice unto others and prepare to return in spades dirt done unto me, probably best that I live way out in the woods.
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I know what you mean….
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By the way, I LOVE what they did on Twitter, because it is humiliation of a group that kills homosexuals, yet indulges in practices that are, well, questionable.
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Oh yeah, let’s not forget pederasty too, in some Moslem countries (Afghanistan immediately comes to mind) it passes for a bored game.
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FB:
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Resource for those who are asked, “when does a citizen carrying a firearm stop a crime?”
https://www.facebook.com/Defensive-Gun-Use-1647647052187650/timeline/
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This guy: Andrew Branca
This is an invaluable site, and author:
http://lawofselfdefense.com/
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Local news station’s noticed that New Orleans and suburban parents are signing thier children up for self defense classes at an increasing rate. They are having a special report on why.
Hmmmmm, lemme seee……Could it be they have to go to school with and live amongst herds of uncivilized animals? Back in the 80s these animals were killing other students or just kids on the street for their shoes or sports jackets. We now have our students wearing uniforms so they can go to school with a lesser chance of being murdered.
How bout dem backpacks? Many districts now require students with backpacks or book bags to use transparent ones so that it’s mo harder for gangsters to smuggle their pieces in. Of course we also have metal detectors and in some schools x-ray machines so that those Boy Scouts don’t smuggle their weapons into school in search of that thug merit badge.
Now that our schools have better security than JFK and more armed guards than Ft Knox the students have a better chance of living to the final bell. Still got those incidents of a lone honor student jumping 5 ‘others’ in a racially motivated motivated attack. Guess the news will find that these parents are sending their kids to self defense instead of negotiation classes to continue that Southern tradition of oppressive behavior.
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Heck, we even have convenient crisis-actors and obedient media!
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For the ladt newrly 40 years I’ve watched our media continually ignore the 800-pound ‘crime gorilla’ in the room.
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Riddle me this; I must have missed something, was the Orlando shooter on the NO-Fly List? Why did Demorats start talking about the no fly list?
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I don’t think he was, Colonel. Who know why Demorats do what they do. They know very well that denying someone their 2nd Amd rights without due process is against the 5th amendment. I think it’s just smoke and mirrors, stirring up the gun grabbers.
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Stella, you are so right! Okay thought I missed something………
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Why did Demorats start talking about the no fly list?
Because they assume that they will always be in control of the no fly list and as soon as they can unconstitutionally tie the no fly list to a gun grab, you me and everyone we know will maliciously end up on the no fly list.
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If you cannot dazzle
them with brilliance;
baffle them with BS.
“Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton criticized Republicans for rejecting a Democratic amendment that would have “block[ed] suspected terrorists from buying guns who are on the no-fly list.” But she misrepresented the measure, which would have applied to a much broader group than the no-fly list.”
and, also:
“In a speech in Cleveland on June 13, Clinton again talked about gun control measures that could be implemented, saying, “we should all be able to agree on a few essential things.” Among them: “If the FBI is watching you for a suspected terrorist link, you shouldn’t be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked.”
We’d note that in the Orlando case, however, the shooter, Omar Mateen, bought his guns after he was no longer on a terrorist watch list. FBI Director James B. Comey has said that Mateen was on the FBI’s Terrorist Watchlist in 2013 and 2014 when the FBI was investigating him, first due to co-workers raising concerns about Mateen’s incendiary language about terrorism and then due to him having “casually” known a suicide bomber who attended the same mosque in Florida. The FBI didn’t find evidence to arrest Mateen, Comey told reporters, and the investigations were closed, which removes suspects from the watch list, the New York Times reported.
Mateen purchased the guns used in the Orlando shooting in June.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/not-just-the-no-fly-list/
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Some problems with the “no fly” list are that there is no public explanation of how a person gets on the list, and there are numerous examples of persons who are mistakenly on the list, persons with the same name as a suspected terrorist are on the list etc. If it was something as specific as an individual being suspected by the FBI to have committed a crime, or who was planning to commit a crime, there might be some justification to deny the individual a permit to purchase a firearm. And the FBI terrorist watch list is not the same thing as the “no fly” list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List
The ACLU (hardly a conservative organization): Specifically, the ACLU’s position is that the government’s current redress process—the procedure by which listed individuals can petition for removal from the list—does not meet the requirements of the Constitution’s Due Process Clause because the process does not “provide meaningful notice of the reasons our clients are blacklisted, the basis for those reasons, and a hearing before a neutral decision-maker.”
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