General Discussion, Sunday, April 28, 2019

Posted on April 28, 2019 by Stella

The Telegraph

The crew of the HMS Bounty, led by Fletcher Christian, mutinied in the Friendly Islands in the South Seas, sailing for the Pitcairn Islands on April 28, 1789.

Of the 14 fly-blown and half-forgotten possessions that today make up the remains of the British Empire, none is more melancholy than Pitcairn Island, the 200-year-old spawn of the Bounty mutineers.

The remaining settlers number about 40, most of them Seventh Day Adventists. If ever they were forced to leave the colony, then the last Briton out – evacuated on a Royal Naval vessel, no doubt – would have to switch off the light and cut the island’s generator. By doing so he would return Pitcairn to a silence it has not known since Mr Christian, his eight fellow mutineers and 18 bemused Tahitians brought that other more celebrated Royal Naval warship, HMS Bounty (formerly the Bethia: a change of name often reputedly brings ill fortune), to be stranded there and burned to the waterline in 1790.

If this happens it would be an inglorious end to one of the most romantic tales ever to swirl up from a Pacific Ocean that has given us more than its share of literature and derring-do (courtesy of, among others, Paul Gauguin, Robert Louis Stevenson, Jack London and Herman Melville). But it would not be entirely unexpected. For it seems that, Hollywood’s best efforts notwithstanding, almost everything connected to the events that marred the expedition of His Majesty’s breadfruit carrier Bounty, under the captaincy of Lieutenant William Bligh, in due course turned to ashes. The Bounty saga is unhappy in almost every one of its aspects – the plan, voyage, rising, consequences, corollaries, legacies – and no one emerges in the end in any sense heroic. Not even Bligh, for whom most who have ever investigated the story feel a great deal of sympathy, emerges with his buffed-up reputation unscathed.

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  1. Lucille's avatar Lucille says:
    April 28, 2019 at 12:20 am

    Exploring Pitcairn Island by Drone (36 minutes)
    Published on Dec 17, 2018

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  2. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    April 28, 2019 at 12:36 am

    Talk about diversity in housing – the purple martins arrived a bit late this year and are sharing two of the three houses with blue birds. Weirdest thing, they’re here in the spring/summer but gone in the winter. Guess they join the Canadians and go down to Florida.

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  3. Lucille's avatar Lucille says:
    April 28, 2019 at 1:45 am

    THE ANTI-SEMITIC NEW YORK TIMES CARTOON IS HOW ANTI-ZIONISM MAINSTREAMS ANTI-SEMITISM
    April 28, 2019 by Daniel Greenfield
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/273603/anti-semitic-new-york-times-cartoon-how-anti-daniel-greenfield

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  4. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    April 28, 2019 at 2:04 am

    I feel sorry for CPT Bligh, he got the short end of the stick. He was cursed with a mostly green crew, a time-sensitive job and a crew that had spent months reveling in their baser instincts.

    The life at sea, especially under British command, was known to be harsh. Punishments were severe and liberally meted out, ships’ captains were gods whose powers were backed by law and went all the way to death if necessary. Ship tours ran to many months in some cases, months cramped in tiny ships under miserable conditions with equally miserable food, modern folks just can’t grasp it. Discipline was necessary to maintain order under such harsh conditions.

    Bligh wasn’t a bad captain, he wasn’t as strict a disciplinarian as many other captains and was seen to be rather loose by some. He had a job, as did the crew, to get those breadfruit plants to the Caribbean around the Cape of Good Hope by a certain time, his voyage at end would have been a circumnavigation of the globe around two of the deadliest areas in the world to navigate – that requires discipline and order.

    Ah well, we all know Hollywood’s unsullied reputation for historical honesty and accuracy, this ‘Mutiny on the Bounty’ thing is surely just an accidental misreading of the event.

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
      April 28, 2019 at 7:45 am

      Several years ago I got curious about the mutiny and what happened afterward so I did some research on Pitcairn Island. The reveling in baser instincts that you mention never stopped and the descendents of the Bounty crew have a sad and terrible history, right up through present times.

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    • Col (R) Ken's avatar Col (R) Ken says:
      April 28, 2019 at 9:07 am

      Just like the Cain Mutiny, Great movie……..

      Morning Everyone, Thank You Stella for everything you do…..and then some….

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:
      April 28, 2019 at 9:54 am

      Of course, the British relied in great part on impressment to make up their crews. I’m sure that didn’t improve the atmosphere much.

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    • JTR's avatar JTR says:
      April 28, 2019 at 2:58 pm

      My DH, CPOCA Robson, says the Captains still think they are God. As do the LTs! I remember when I first moved to the U.K. my DHs first trip was for 9 months! I don’t know how they do it, even in modern times.

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
        April 28, 2019 at 7:50 pm

        I spent the last of my service time attached to a Navy command. I noticed a difference in the demeanors of ‘sea’ captains versus ‘land’ captains but then I stay away from ships as I still don’t believe steel really floats, so I generally didn’t have to deal with too many ship drivers.

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  5. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
    April 28, 2019 at 5:54 am

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    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Doughnuts and coffee!

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  6. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 10:03 am

    Four dead and four injured after crane collapses on Google campus in Seattle

    https://news.sky.com/story/four-dead-and-three-injured-after-crane-collapses-on-seattle-street-11705735

    Four people have been killed and four injured after a construction crane collapsed on a street in Seattle.

    Seattle Fire Department said three men and one woman were dead by the time firefighters got to the scene, while three of those injured were taken to hospital.

    A fourth person was treated at the scene.

    Two of the dead were ironworkers who had been inside the crane at the time while the other two fatalities were inside cars.

    Six cars were pinned underneath the crane when it collapsed on the new Google Seattle campus near the intersection of Mercer Street and Fairview Avenue shortly after 3pm local time.

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  7. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 10:31 am

    This woman is a real witch.

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  8. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 11:21 am

    This made me laugh this morning; it was in answer to a meme on FB about how the Mueller report proves that Trump is guilty of collusion and obstruction:

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    • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:
      April 28, 2019 at 8:34 pm

      The Good Witch, picture above, can’t recall her name, though her last movie was playing the Col. Wife. The movie, is “The Court Martial of Sgt. Rutledge” , staring. Jeffry Hunter and a whole cast of regulars. Great Movie…….Directed by John Ford……

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  9. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 11:30 am

    By the way, we didn’t get any snow or ice here in my neighborhood. My daughter, however, posted pics on FB of her flowers covered with sleet. O’Hare airport measured 2.5″ of the stuff. From FB:

    It’s official–Saturday’s snow was a late-season record-breaker at O’Hare. The 2.5″ recorded at the site becomes the heaviest late season snow to occur at the city’s official site since snowfall records began in the 1884-85 snow season—-134 years ago! That tally surpassed the previous late season snow of 2.2″ recorded on May 1-2. 1940—–79 years ago.

    With clear skies, the GOES-16 satellite view of the snow covered area is quite spectacular. Check it out among the graphics which follow.
    And the snow was waterlogged and incredibly heavy and difficult to shovel because of its weight–true “heart attack” snow. Frank Wachowsi reports the 1.04″ of water in the 1.7″ of snow which fell at Midway means its snow/water ratio was 6.3 to 1—-well beyond the 12 to 1 snow/water ratio which is typical. And the water content of the snow was even more eyecatching at Oak Forest. There, my WGN colleague meteorologist Mark Carroll reports the 0.3″ of snow which fell contained 1.13″ of water—an astounding 2.7 to 1 snow snow water ratio.

    Here are some preliminary snow totals across the greater Chicago area–and in in the surrounding region:

    5.8″ Campton Hills
    5.8″ St. Charles
    5.5″ Belvidere
    5.5″ 1SSW Beloit
    4.9″ Huntley
    4.3″ Cherry Valley
    4.0″ 4ENE Winnebago, IL
    4.0″ Machesney Park
    4.0″ Pleasant Prairie, WI
    3.9″ Northbrook
    3.7″ Rockford
    3.6″ Bull Valley
    3.5″ Bristol, WI
    3.5″ Kenosha
    3.5″ Arlington Heights
    3.5″ Medinah
    3.5″ Elk Grove Vallage
    3.4″ Elgin
    3.3″ Round Lake
    3.1″ Libertyville
    2.8″ Crystal Lake
    2.8″ Highwood
    2.5″ O’Hare
    1.7″ Midway
    0.4″ NWS-Romeoville

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  10. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Hi everybody! In case you were wondering what happened at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner:

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  11. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 12:54 pm

    A really good example of using baking soda to speed browning of meat (Steak & Ale Pie):

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
      April 28, 2019 at 3:31 pm

      I am going to try that pie recipe for sure. I have a thing for meat pies, and they are right about the normal pie crusts, they just kind of disappear into the meat and gravy. I’m going to try their crust to, I’d never heard you should adjust the recipe, but it makes sense.

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
      April 28, 2019 at 3:38 pm

      I never have made Boston brown bread. No way am I putting in raisins though.

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      • Stella's avatar stella says:
        April 28, 2019 at 4:24 pm

        I’ve made Boston brown bread, but it has been a while. I like the raisins, but you could substitute something else, like dried cranberries or cherries. I’ll bet that dates would be good.

        I have a steamed pudding mold, but used to use a coffee can to make brown bread. My favorite steamed pudding is pumpkin with walnuts. Carrot pudding is good too; my step grandmother used to make it and serve with a warm custard sauce. It’s a bit like carrot cake, but more moist.

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  12. Lucille's avatar Lucille says:
    April 28, 2019 at 1:59 pm


    19 FRAGRANT FLOWER AND SHRUB FAVORITES FOR YOUR GARDEN
    https://gardenerspath.com/plants/flowers/fragrant-favorites/

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  13. Lucille's avatar Lucille says:
    April 28, 2019 at 2:25 pm

    “Populist” Hungary donates millions to help foreign persecuted Christians and victims of Jihad.
    April 27, 2019 5:50 PM By Christine Douglass-Williams

    “The Hungarian government has pledged an initial 9 million forints (roughly $31,000 U.S.) in emergency aid to the survivors of the recent attacks on Christians and Christian churches in Sri Lanka” and Hungary is considering an even larger donation. That’s in addition to millions spent on other aid projects to help persecuted Christians and victims of jihad.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/04/populist-hungary-donates-millions-to-help-foreign-persecuted-christians-and-victims-of-jihad

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  14. Lucille's avatar Lucille says:
    April 28, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    Worth the view…BCP is good at putting economics in layman’s terms…

    WHILE WE SLEPT, TRUMP PUT THE FED IN CHECK, CUT OFF THE GREEDY GLOBAL BANKING FAMILIES & BEAT CHINA!
    Black Conservative Patriot
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvZMCWMJ45I

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  15. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 4:34 pm

    A New Study May Forever Change the Way We Train Our Dogs

    Ask agility trainers if their dogs feel the emotion of love, and you will get a puzzled look. “Of course dogs love,” they will quickly reply. Science, however, is slower to respond and seeks tangible evidence of emotion before admitting its existence.

    A new scientific study is beginning to prove that dogs do indeed love. Over the past two years, Emory University Neuroscientist Gregory Berns has been looking at MRI images of dogs’ brains in a study to find out what dogs think of humans…

    Berns and his colleagues have scanned the brains of a dozen dogs trained to go into a MRI machine. He used different stimuli to see how the dogs’ brains would react. His findings show that the area of the brain called the caudate nucleus lights up when the dogs’ humans returned into view after a brief separation. This is the same area of the brain that is activated when humans feel love.

    In his article, Berns says, “The ability to experience positive emotions, like love and attachment, would mean that dogs have a level of sentience comparable to that of a human child. And this ability suggests a rethinking of how we treat dogs.”

    They don’t say anything about cats, though.

    https://pethelpful.com/dogs/A-New-Study-May-Forever-Change-the-Way-We-Train-Our-Dogs

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  16. Stella's avatar stella says:
    April 28, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    Ain’t it the truth?

    “We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn’t, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares.

    But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell’s dark vision, there was another – slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley’s vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.

    What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny “failed to take into account man’s almost infinite appetite for distractions.” In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us.

    This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right.”
    ― Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

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  17. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
    April 28, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  18. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
    April 28, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Col. Flynn:

    Prayer to St. Michael

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
    be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
    May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
    and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
    by the power of God,
    thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
    who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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