August 1977 Mcnickles (sp) Arena Denver Co. before they broke nationally they warmed up for Emerson Lake & Palmer Works Vol 1 tour. Show was incredible and so was the feeling a few years later when I recognized them on MTV.
My dad did, too. In fact, the car I am driving now I inherited when he died. He bought it used. It was one of those that had only 500 or so miles on it and was a year old. That was back in 2006.
Mom and Dad used to sit down and budget together and then they’d go out shopping for a new-to-us car on Dad’s day off. I don’t ever remember going with them. Usually Dad would trade in the old car and when we got home from school, there’d be a new car in the driveway and my sister and I would get so excited. Everyone would then get to go for a ride and maybe eat at a restaurant. It was always a big deal.
Jurors in Manafort trial send judge four questions, including asking him to redefine reasonable doubt
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Third, they asked if the judge could “redefine reasonable doubt.” Jurors sometimes struggle with what constitutes a reasonable doubt of someone’s guilt, versus an unreasonable doubt. The judge told them reasonable doubt “is a doubt based on reason,” but added: “The government is not required to prove guilt beyond all possible doubt.”
Defense attorneys emphasized in their closing argument that it’s not enough to believe a defendant is “likely” guilty or even “highly likely” guilty, using a thermometer chart to make the point.
Best guess is that we have a holdout.
I could be 100% wrong but it appears to me that we have at least one juror leading the others into the crossed t’s and dotted i’s territory, that is very good news for Manafort.
I personally think that it would be great news if there is a hung jury. I’d prefer an outright acquittal.
I believe that fighting the Elite Leftist Machine with ordinary tactics is equivalent to fighting ISIS with conventional tactics and adhering to the rules of Geneva Conference. There is a day fast approaching where they will kill us if they are not eradicated or at least neutered for the next century.
ISIS needs to be treated like the demonic blood thirsty barbarians that they are. I feel the same about the Masters of the Left. They live by no code of conduct and have no human decency. No one needs to feel guilty about not playing fair with demonic people.
Obama, “Time to let grandma die, live the newly extracted baby in a steel shelf to die, DO NOT TRY TO SAVE IT!!, I don’t want my daughters punished with a baby, If they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun…….”
Hillary, “We came, we saw, he died. What boys on the track? Foster who? Destroy the women Bill raped. Let them die in Benghazi anything else is yucky for my ambitions…..”
I could go on and on as could you I am sure. These are deranged delusional people who would control every aspect of our lives if they were given the opportunity to do so.
They each can go to hell.
I just had this discussion with someone who asked me “What about your oft used quote, we are a nation of laws not men.” My reformed opinion is that if only one side lives by a rule, the side following the rule is going to lose. Our very liberty, our right to publicly declare faithfulness to our God, to wear a t-shirt of our choosing, to eat what we want, to dress the way we want to, to choose what is best for our minor children’s minds, hearts and souls, to have a say in our own destiny and the very future of our loved ones is at stake.
Life itself is what we are fighting for. They will not choose for me. Period.
Sorry I really don’t want to sound dramatic I just refuse to be silent. I hate what the Clinton/Obamas have done to our world. All we can do is fight the good fight and never give up the dignity of our lives or the autonomy of our souls.
To quote Greg Holden And I will not be commanded, And I will not be controlled and I will not let my future go on without the help of my soul.”
From another article;
Before leaving for the day Thursday, the jury sent Ellis four questions, including one asking whether he could “redefine” the meaning of “reasonable doubt,” the legal threshold for acquitting a defendant. Ellis responded that the prosecutors had to prove their case not “beyond possible doubt,” but beyond “doubt based on reason.”
If I was Manafort’s attorney I would argue vigorously against this answer. A judge knows better than anyone (and I think this is a relatively neutral judge but I have not been paying much attention) but beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond doubt based on reason is not the same thing. Judge Ellis should not have defined reasonable doubt.
All the jury or even one member of the jury has to determine is that the reasonable man can find a rational explanation other than the one that the State has given and they have reasonable doubt.
If you can’t exhaust all reasonable explanations other than the State’s charges you have reasonable doubt.
I’d sit on that jury and present so much reasonable doubt they would acquit or be unable to reach a verdict because they would know they weren’t going home until it there was an acquittal because I wouldn’t moving even if they brought in a wrecking ball.
I want to see him found not guilty. As much as I hate the kind of things Manafort was probably doing, I want to see a mud pie thrown in Mueller’s face.
The problem is that most of what you are probably talking about is legal. Have they proved that he is guilty of the illegal acts?
Manafort is a lobbyist who has aided foreign governments with their elections and paid well for doing so. That isn’t illegal. If he hid income and didn’t pay taxes on it, that is illegal.
Paul Manafort is a shady character. He may even be a criminal character.
But he undoubtedly is someone who is being prosecuted because of who he knew. That would be one Donald Trump.
Had Manafort not made the decision to join the Trump campaign, tasked with managing the delegate floor fight at the Republican National Convention, Manafort would be leading his prior life of flim flam and influence peddling.
Had Manafort not been associated with the Trump campaign, he would not have been prosecuted. The feds had looked him over and then looked away years earlier.
Manafort’s team made that argument in closing argument coming close to if not exceeding the judge’s prior order barring a defense of selective prosecution:
It was “not until the special counsel showed up and started asking questions” that anyone seemed concerned about Manafort’s dealings with banks, Westling said, noting that none of the banks involved reported the alleged frauds to the authorities.
As a legal defense, selective prosecution may not hold much water. But in reality, this case is all about selective prosecution, and then some.
This is exactly right I was typing my answer. I agree with Professor Jacobson. This is a malicious prosecution, we fought this war over 2 hundred years ago.
No, the war we fought over 200 years ago, was not malicious prosecution by the Kings Officers, we fought for our individual rights, unalienable rights granted by God not the King. This is not a Democracy, we are a representative Republic big difference……
I know Col. Ken I was only addressing one of the aspects of the war, and that was the kings’s unbridled power, something our democrats and republicans are trying to force on us again. A majesty. No.
I sure hope the king and queen wannabes get soundly beaten into the ground.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” __Benjamin Franklin
We have a permanent underclass and a permanent oligarchy and here we are stuck in the middle fighting for our God given freedom.
Scott Adams the first sign “The defense didn’t presents defense.”
(Although I did post that the defense spit in the eye of the State by presenting no defense but instead dismissed the State’s case as unproven garbage, the first clue in my opinion was when Team Trump sent a response in Comic Sans to an officially inquiry 😂, I don’t even remember what Comic response was an answer to but it was a definite harbinger of the war chest that Team Trump is sitting on ) . That was not lost on anyone who has “learned” Trump to the small degree that he is learnable.
The latter part of Scott’s talk is in sync with my thoughts. Get a wrecking ball and I ain’t moving.
I’ll happily sit in the company of Adams and Jacobson on this point. Although I would disagree with Adams that all 12 jurors want justice. There is simply no way to know that, Adams is always big on “You can’t read people’s minds) unless he is doing the mind reading himself.
Hee hee! Every time they got it wrong, that is always the answer, you can’t reason with nut cases.
I have found that the best answer to “Blah, blah, blah…. didn’t practice true socialism/communism” is Why do you think so many profoundly stupid people have for centuries been incapable of implementing such a simple concept?
My new rule, always paint them into a corner. The nutcase can never answer the question because either a) Communism/Socialism has been tried and failed b) Only really moronic people have tried Communism/Socialism.
Screw ’em take away their cake and eat it in front of them 🙂 !
Good morning, WeeWeed! Getting something for nothing is their permanent goal…and under socialism there are chosen winners and losers. The “masses” are never the winners.
Years ago a friend of mine gave a party to which she invited a former boyfriend and his new fiancee who was from the Soviet Union. He worked for the State Department in the diplomatic corps. His fiancee was a doctor. Of course the USSR came up as a topic of conversation. She claimed not to know that there were millionaires in the Soviet government. I always thought she was a spy. LOL!
My dream car from since it came out in 1965. I bought one (originally red, restored to white with a black interior) in the late 1980’s for $2000. No a/c, am radio only. Loved driving it from October to April, melted from May thru September. Unfortunately, it had a fatal flaw: some of the recycled steel used in building them had not been processed correctly, so it tended to rust. I spent alot of time repairing rust spots. Finally gave it up in 1990.
They were two standard Mustang wagon prototypes, and one Shelby GT wagon prototype made, Ford rejected the idea. Yes, there is a kit made of fiberglass that can be purchased but those three vehicles are highly sought after in the collector world.
The story of the “first” Mustang convertible is also a great read. Serial number 001 which should have been shipped to the Ford Museum was shipped to a dealership in error and purchased buy a Canadian airline pilot who rarely drove it. Ford offered for years to purchase it back but he held out. Eventually receiving millions from Ford for the car.
My dad had two white convertible mustangs, my sister had a blue one (her first car she bought from her history teacher. My BIL currently has a red Mustang I think it is a 1965 model. He has had it for at lest 30 years.
Afternoon czarina! I went to high school with kids who drove them. I’m guessing they’d belonged to their parents. I wanted one sooooo bad! I love seeing them at car shows and occasionally I’ll see someone driving around town in one. I can see where they’d be very hot in the warmer months for sure.
(CNN)The Special Counsel’s Office has almost three times the number of exhibits it wants to show a jury in Paul Manafort’s next criminal trial compared with what it used in his Virginia case.
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Yeah and President Trump is going to be impeached and November 2018 is coming with its blue wave and November 2020 is coming and Hillary is healthy as a horse and that nutter Ocasio-Cortez is gonna save the world and Bernie is the nicest guy and Stormy the whore is going to destroy the Trump Presidency, wait that lovely lass Omarosa is going to destroy President Trump and his kin with her mad illegal recording skills.
President Trump is chatting with and posing for pictures with our military and citizens.
Secret Service is popping veins all except one agent he is smiling very very surreal dynamic. I’ve never seen a giggling SS Agent while his ward is engaging with a crowd.
Judge T.S. Ellis III revealed in open court Friday that he has received death threats relating to his presiding over Paul Manafort’s trial for bank and tax fraud at a federal court in Alexandria, Virginia.
The judge has since retained the protection of the U.S. Marshals Service.
“I have the marshal’s protection,” Ellis said. “I don’t even go to the hotel alone. I won’t even reveal the name of the hotel.”
“I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public,” he added.
BREAKING: #Manaforttrial judge won’t release names of jurors citing safety reasons. Says he is under 24/7 US Marshals protection after threats and said “I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public.”
— Paula Reid (@PaulaReidCBS) August 17, 2018 Ellis made the comments after a coalition of news organizations — including The Washington Post, The New York Times, the Associated Press, CNN, NBC, Politico and BuzzFeed — requested the names and addresses of jurors seated for Manafort’s case.
“There is no reason to believe that extraordinary circumstances exist that would justify keeping jurors’ names sealed — particularly after they have rendered their verdict,” their motion reads.
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But Ellis disagreed, and rejected the motion for fear the jurors would be subject to the same harassment he has received.
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The threats must be from the Left as the headline does not scream “Rightwing Zealots Threaten Manafort Judge”
Dodgy as hell. I hope Judge Ellis sticks a red hot poker right through the malicious MSM’s black heart.
Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.
Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.
Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.
Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.
We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.
So if you ever enjoy listening to Journey, Steve Perry has released a NEW song, after 20 years off. Sounds great for 69 years old!
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By Gil on August 17, 2018 at 12:11 am
Very neat, good morning Gil 🙂 !
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:36 am
Morning lovely! 😊👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 8:06 am
Morning Sand 🙂 !
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 9:24 am
Thank you, Gil! Happy Friday!
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 8:06 am
August 1977 Mcnickles (sp) Arena Denver Co. before they broke nationally they warmed up for Emerson Lake & Palmer Works Vol 1 tour. Show was incredible and so was the feeling a few years later when I recognized them on MTV.
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By Gary on August 17, 2018 at 4:07 pm
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 12:47 am
Thank You Lucille
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By Col.(R) Ken on August 17, 2018 at 10:01 pm
My Daddy always bought good used cars…this was one of his favorites which he must have purchased around 1956…his/ours was dark blue….
1951 Lincoln Cosmopolitan
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 1:28 am
More beautiful Lincolns….
1941 Lincoln Continental and Rita Hayworth
1942 Lincoln Continental Coupe with Continental Kit
1946 Lincoln Continental
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 1:30 am
Beautiful car, good morning Lucille 🙂 !
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:37 am
Good morning, lovely! Friday is for flowers…
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 10:31 am
Beautiful, thank you 🙂 !
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 10:31 am
Beautiful! Morning Lucille!
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 8:06 am
Hi, sand! Bouquets for beautiful mornings….
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 10:32 am
Awww!!!! So thoughtful! Thank you!
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 3:53 pm
My dad did, too. In fact, the car I am driving now I inherited when he died. He bought it used. It was one of those that had only 500 or so miles on it and was a year old. That was back in 2006.
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 8:49 am
There’s something about our Daddies’ cars.
Mom and Dad used to sit down and budget together and then they’d go out shopping for a new-to-us car on Dad’s day off. I don’t ever remember going with them. Usually Dad would trade in the old car and when we got home from school, there’d be a new car in the driveway and my sister and I would get so excited. Everyone would then get to go for a ride and maybe eat at a restaurant. It was always a big deal.
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 10:40 am
Same here on going for a ride. I don’t remember eating out.
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 10:55 am
I remember falling asleep in a dealership wearing pajamas with feet lol, waiting for my dads new 1968 Chrysler Newport….white / blue interior.
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By Gary on August 17, 2018 at 4:10 pm
Ooooooo!!!
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By czarina33 on August 17, 2018 at 10:35 am
Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
(Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
(Tom Collins)
(Black & Tan)
(Boilermaker)
(Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
(Irish Car Bomb)
(Godfather)
(Mortlach)
(Roy Rogers)
(Classic Daiquiri)
(Gin & Tonic)
(Blackberry wine)
(Backdraft)
(Flaming Dr. Pepper)
(Stinger)
(Rusty Nail)
(Jack Daniels)
(Whiskey Smash)
(B52)
(Rum & Coke)
(Night Train Express)
(Albanian Raki Moskat)
(Hot Buttered Rum)
(Mudslide)
(RumChata)
(Stolichnaya elit, no ice)
(Smoking Bishop)
(Red Russian)
(Yuengling)
(Baileys Irish Cream on the rocks)
(Brompton’s Cocktail – No cherry, no umbrella, no plastic monkey)
(Benjamin Franklin’s clarified milk punch)
Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎
Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 🍸 (earthquake)
Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂
Mornin’ texan59! 🙂
Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂
Mornin’ czarina33! (aka czarina) 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂
Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂
Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂
Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀
Mornin’ Wooly Covfefe! (aka “Wooly Phlox” aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂
Mornin’ Howie! (aka “doodahdaze”) 🙂
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂
Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂
Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (Gentleman Jack Whiskey Sling)
Mornin’ lovely! 🙂
Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂
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Mornin’ Les! 🙂
Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂
Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂
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Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂
Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Kamikaze)
Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂
Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂
Mornin’ rheavolans! (aka “Rhea Salacia Volans”) 🙂
Mornin’ joshua! 🙂
Mornin’ John Denney! 🙂
Mornin’ litenmaus! 🙂
Mornin’ kinthenorthwest! 🙂 🍸 (A Lonely Island Lost in the Middle of a Foggy Sea)
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂
Mornin’ patternpuzzler! 🙂 🍸 (Old Lady)
Mornin’ Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG! 🙂
Mornin’ G-d&Country! 🙂 🍸 (Blind Russian)
Mornin’ Gary! 🙂
Mornin’ valeriecurren! 🙂 🍸 (Flaming Sambuca)
Mornin’ Lucille! 🙂 🍸 (Peach Schnapps)
Mornin’ Lburg! 🙂 🍸 (Lburg lemonade)
Mornin’ davidhuntpe! 🙂
Mornin’ skipper1961! 🙂
Mornin’ mightyconservative! 🙂
Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕
Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance!
Breakfast!
NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!
Pastries for coffee!
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By nyetneetot on August 17, 2018 at 7:35 am
Good morning Nyet 🙂 ! First in line means I get as much bacon as I want, yes?
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:38 am
Happy Friday, Nyet! Thank you for the great breakfast!
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 8:07 am
I think I will go for the waffle, eggs, and bacon. 🙂 Mornin’ Nyet, everyone. 🙂
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 8:50 am
Good morning, Nyet! Here’s the donuts I promised…
Thanks for preparing all the delicious edibles!
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 10:43 am
Nye!!!!!! Thank You…….
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By Col.(R) Ken on August 17, 2018 at 10:04 pm
Any predictions?
I’m going with a mistrial. Hung jury.
Jurors in Manafort trial send judge four questions, including asking him to redefine reasonable doubt
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Third, they asked if the judge could “redefine reasonable doubt.” Jurors sometimes struggle with what constitutes a reasonable doubt of someone’s guilt, versus an unreasonable doubt. The judge told them reasonable doubt “is a doubt based on reason,” but added: “The government is not required to prove guilt beyond all possible doubt.”
Defense attorneys emphasized in their closing argument that it’s not enough to believe a defendant is “likely” guilty or even “highly likely” guilty, using a thermometer chart to make the point.
Best guess is that we have a holdout.
I could be 100% wrong but it appears to me that we have at least one juror leading the others into the crossed t’s and dotted i’s territory, that is very good news for Manafort.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:35 am
Would it be good news? I wonder if there would be a new trial. If so, it would be a drawn out ordeal for Manafort, plus more expensive.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 8:22 am
I personally think that it would be great news if there is a hung jury. I’d prefer an outright acquittal.
I believe that fighting the Elite Leftist Machine with ordinary tactics is equivalent to fighting ISIS with conventional tactics and adhering to the rules of Geneva Conference. There is a day fast approaching where they will kill us if they are not eradicated or at least neutered for the next century.
ISIS needs to be treated like the demonic blood thirsty barbarians that they are. I feel the same about the Masters of the Left. They live by no code of conduct and have no human decency. No one needs to feel guilty about not playing fair with demonic people.
Obama, “Time to let grandma die, live the newly extracted baby in a steel shelf to die, DO NOT TRY TO SAVE IT!!, I don’t want my daughters punished with a baby, If they bring a knife to the fight we bring a gun…….”
Hillary, “We came, we saw, he died. What boys on the track? Foster who? Destroy the women Bill raped. Let them die in Benghazi anything else is yucky for my ambitions…..”
I could go on and on as could you I am sure. These are deranged delusional people who would control every aspect of our lives if they were given the opportunity to do so.
They each can go to hell.
I just had this discussion with someone who asked me “What about your oft used quote, we are a nation of laws not men.” My reformed opinion is that if only one side lives by a rule, the side following the rule is going to lose. Our very liberty, our right to publicly declare faithfulness to our God, to wear a t-shirt of our choosing, to eat what we want, to dress the way we want to, to choose what is best for our minor children’s minds, hearts and souls, to have a say in our own destiny and the very future of our loved ones is at stake.
Life itself is what we are fighting for. They will not choose for me. Period.
Sorry I really don’t want to sound dramatic I just refuse to be silent. I hate what the Clinton/Obamas have done to our world. All we can do is fight the good fight and never give up the dignity of our lives or the autonomy of our souls.
To quote Greg Holden And I will not be commanded, And I will not be controlled and I will not let my future go on without the help of my soul.”
From another article;
Before leaving for the day Thursday, the jury sent Ellis four questions, including one asking whether he could “redefine” the meaning of “reasonable doubt,” the legal threshold for acquitting a defendant. Ellis responded that the prosecutors had to prove their case not “beyond possible doubt,” but beyond “doubt based on reason.”
If I was Manafort’s attorney I would argue vigorously against this answer. A judge knows better than anyone (and I think this is a relatively neutral judge but I have not been paying much attention) but beyond a reasonable doubt and beyond doubt based on reason is not the same thing. Judge Ellis should not have defined reasonable doubt.
All the jury or even one member of the jury has to determine is that the reasonable man can find a rational explanation other than the one that the State has given and they have reasonable doubt.
If you can’t exhaust all reasonable explanations other than the State’s charges you have reasonable doubt.
I’d sit on that jury and present so much reasonable doubt they would acquit or be unable to reach a verdict because they would know they weren’t going home until it there was an acquittal because I wouldn’t moving even if they brought in a wrecking ball.
But that’s me 😊.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 9:19 am
Hear, hear!! {{clap, clap, clap}} 😀
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 9:34 am
Lovely, succinct in thought, well written and well said………..
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By Col.(R) Ken on August 17, 2018 at 10:11 pm
Thanks Col. Ken 🙂 !
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By lovely on August 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm
I want to see him found not guilty. As much as I hate the kind of things Manafort was probably doing, I want to see a mud pie thrown in Mueller’s face.
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 8:52 am
The problem is that most of what you are probably talking about is legal. Have they proved that he is guilty of the illegal acts?
Manafort is a lobbyist who has aided foreign governments with their elections and paid well for doing so. That isn’t illegal. If he hid income and didn’t pay taxes on it, that is illegal.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 9:14 am
An acquittal would devastate the Elite Leftist, look for the MSM demons to look more depressed than they did on election night if Manafort walks.
Pray for it!
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 9:23 am
This is what Professor Jacobson says about it.
Paul Manafort is being prosecuted because of who he knows. I hope he walks.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/08/paul-manafort-is-being-prosecuted-because-of-who-he-knows-i-hope-he-walks/
Paul Manafort is a shady character. He may even be a criminal character.
But he undoubtedly is someone who is being prosecuted because of who he knew. That would be one Donald Trump.
Had Manafort not made the decision to join the Trump campaign, tasked with managing the delegate floor fight at the Republican National Convention, Manafort would be leading his prior life of flim flam and influence peddling.
Had Manafort not been associated with the Trump campaign, he would not have been prosecuted. The feds had looked him over and then looked away years earlier.
Manafort’s team made that argument in closing argument coming close to if not exceeding the judge’s prior order barring a defense of selective prosecution:
It was “not until the special counsel showed up and started asking questions” that anyone seemed concerned about Manafort’s dealings with banks, Westling said, noting that none of the banks involved reported the alleged frauds to the authorities.
As a legal defense, selective prosecution may not hold much water. But in reality, this case is all about selective prosecution, and then some.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 9:18 am
This is exactly right I was typing my answer. I agree with Professor Jacobson. This is a malicious prosecution, we fought this war over 2 hundred years ago.
We have no king.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 9:21 am
No, the war we fought over 200 years ago, was not malicious prosecution by the Kings Officers, we fought for our individual rights, unalienable rights granted by God not the King. This is not a Democracy, we are a representative Republic big difference……
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By Col.(R) Ken on August 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm
I know Col. Ken I was only addressing one of the aspects of the war, and that was the kings’s unbridled power, something our democrats and republicans are trying to force on us again. A majesty. No.
I sure hope the king and queen wannabes get soundly beaten into the ground.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” __Benjamin Franklin
We have a permanent underclass and a permanent oligarchy and here we are stuck in the middle fighting for our God given freedom.
Again.
SMH
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By lovely on August 18, 2018 at 1:29 pm
Yes, I agree with all of that.
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 9:28 am
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 9:52 am
Scott Adams the first sign “The defense didn’t presents defense.”
(Although I did post that the defense spit in the eye of the State by presenting no defense but instead dismissed the State’s case as unproven garbage, the first clue in my opinion was when Team Trump sent a response in Comic Sans to an officially inquiry 😂, I don’t even remember what Comic response was an answer to but it was a definite harbinger of the war chest that Team Trump is sitting on ) . That was not lost on anyone who has “learned” Trump to the small degree that he is learnable.
The latter part of Scott’s talk is in sync with my thoughts. Get a wrecking ball and I ain’t moving.
I’ll happily sit in the company of Adams and Jacobson on this point. Although I would disagree with Adams that all 12 jurors want justice. There is simply no way to know that, Adams is always big on “You can’t read people’s minds) unless he is doing the mind reading himself.
Bring it.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 10:17 am
Mornin’ kids!
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By WeeWeed on August 17, 2018 at 8:03 am
Morning WeeWeed!
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 8:08 am
Mornin’ S&S!
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By WeeWeed on August 17, 2018 at 8:26 am
Mornin’ WeeWeed!
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 8:24 am
Mornin’ Stella!
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By WeeWeed on August 17, 2018 at 8:26 am
Hee hee! Every time they got it wrong, that is always the answer, you can’t reason with nut cases.
I have found that the best answer to “Blah, blah, blah…. didn’t practice true socialism/communism” is Why do you think so many profoundly stupid people have for centuries been incapable of implementing such a simple concept?
My new rule, always paint them into a corner. The nutcase can never answer the question because either a) Communism/Socialism has been tried and failed b) Only really moronic people have tried Communism/Socialism.
Screw ’em take away their cake and eat it in front of them 🙂 !
Good morning Wee !
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 9:36 am
Mornin’ Lovely!
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By WeeWeed on August 17, 2018 at 9:59 am
Good morning, WeeWeed! Getting something for nothing is their permanent goal…and under socialism there are chosen winners and losers. The “masses” are never the winners.
Years ago a friend of mine gave a party to which she invited a former boyfriend and his new fiancee who was from the Soviet Union. He worked for the State Department in the diplomatic corps. His fiancee was a doctor. Of course the USSR came up as a topic of conversation. She claimed not to know that there were millionaires in the Soviet government. I always thought she was a spy. LOL!
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 10:58 am
Mornin’ Lucy!
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By WeeWeed on August 17, 2018 at 11:05 am
Evening Ms WeeWeed
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By Col.(R) Ken on August 17, 2018 at 10:21 pm
Stella!!!! That’s my dream car! I’ve always wanted a red Mustang like that. Maybe someday. 😊
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 8:09 am
My dream car from since it came out in 1965. I bought one (originally red, restored to white with a black interior) in the late 1980’s for $2000. No a/c, am radio only. Loved driving it from October to April, melted from May thru September. Unfortunately, it had a fatal flaw: some of the recycled steel used in building them had not been processed correctly, so it tended to rust. I spent alot of time repairing rust spots. Finally gave it up in 1990.
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By czarina33 on August 17, 2018 at 11:10 am
Trivia: Actually, the Mustang came out in 1964, mid-year.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 11:19 am
Knew that!
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By czarina33 on August 17, 2018 at 1:20 pm
lol….ok for the extra bonus points….what year was the Mustang Wagon made?
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By Gary on August 17, 2018 at 4:13 pm
I didn’t even know Mustang made a wagon!
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:17 pm
News to me…so tell!
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By czarina33 on August 17, 2018 at 9:47 pm
Ford never made a Mustang wagon. They exist – but they are conversions by other companies.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 9:50 pm
They were two standard Mustang wagon prototypes, and one Shelby GT wagon prototype made, Ford rejected the idea. Yes, there is a kit made of fiberglass that can be purchased but those three vehicles are highly sought after in the collector world.
The story of the “first” Mustang convertible is also a great read. Serial number 001 which should have been shipped to the Ford Museum was shipped to a dealership in error and purchased buy a Canadian airline pilot who rarely drove it. Ford offered for years to purchase it back but he held out. Eventually receiving millions from Ford for the car.
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By Gary on August 20, 2018 at 9:30 am
My dad had two white convertible mustangs, my sister had a blue one (her first car she bought from her history teacher. My BIL currently has a red Mustang I think it is a 1965 model. He has had it for at lest 30 years.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 11:34 am
Afternoon czarina! I went to high school with kids who drove them. I’m guessing they’d belonged to their parents. I wanted one sooooo bad! I love seeing them at car shows and occasionally I’ll see someone driving around town in one. I can see where they’d be very hot in the warmer months for sure.
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 3:52 pm
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By Lucille on August 17, 2018 at 11:00 am
Judge in Paul Manafort bank and tax fraud trial ‘optimistic that case might end soon’
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/17/paul-manafort-trial-jury-resumes-deliberations-tax-bank-fraud-case/1017802002/
🙄
Ok.
How can Judge Ellis know this?
Answer, he can’t, he cannot legally be privy to jury deliberations.
Did he get another set of questions?
He cannot know if the jury is close to a verdict.
Does he know the jury is hopelessly deadlocked?
What is the definition of “might”?
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I’m reading more about the case and shaking my head.
I wish I knew more about Judge Ellis….
Appointed by President Reagan, Judge Ellis doe not like attorneys or it appears the complicit MSM.
Good.
“A thirsty press is essential to a free country.” __Judge Ellis 8/17/2018
😎
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 11:04 am
CNN is already self soothing.
Mueller’s team has 3 times the evidence for Paul Manafort’s next trial than his current trial
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/16/app-politics-section/mueller-manafort-evidence-next-trial/index.html
(CNN)The Special Counsel’s Office has almost three times the number of exhibits it wants to show a jury in Paul Manafort’s next criminal trial compared with what it used in his Virginia case.
😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄😂🙄 😂🙄 😂🙄
Yeah and President Trump is going to be impeached and November 2018 is coming with its blue wave and November 2020 is coming and Hillary is healthy as a horse and that nutter Ocasio-Cortez is gonna save the world and Bernie is the nicest guy and Stormy the whore is going to destroy the Trump Presidency, wait that lovely lass Omarosa is going to destroy President Trump and his kin with her mad illegal recording skills.
Good grief.
What a dandy day.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 11:51 am
I hear that Bernie intends to run as an independent next time.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 12:59 pm
Oh, well, he’ll win for sure, then……………………{snort}…../s.
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 1:09 pm
I wonder if he’ll get conjugal visits with his wife when they cart her off to prison.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 5:50 pm
I might volunteer for prison to avoid conjugal moments with Bernie.
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By Menagerie on August 17, 2018 at 10:02 pm
You and me both Menagerie. “Crazy Bernie.”
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By lovely on August 18, 2018 at 1:32 pm
President Trump is chatting with and posing for pictures with our military and citizens.
Secret Service is popping veins all except one agent he is smiling very very surreal dynamic. I’ve never seen a giggling SS Agent while his ward is engaging with a crowd.
Happy happy crowd.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 12:18 pm
Manafort jury is going home for the weekend. I wish they were sequestered for the deliberations portion of the trial. But no one asked me 🙂 !
MANAFORT’S JUDGE IS UNDER FEDERAL PROTECTION AFTER WAVE OF THREATS
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/17/manafort-judge-threatened/
Judge T.S. Ellis III revealed in open court Friday that he has received death threats relating to his presiding over Paul Manafort’s trial for bank and tax fraud at a federal court in Alexandria, Virginia.
The judge has since retained the protection of the U.S. Marshals Service.
“I have the marshal’s protection,” Ellis said. “I don’t even go to the hotel alone. I won’t even reveal the name of the hotel.”
“I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public,” he added.
BREAKING: #Manaforttrial judge won’t release names of jurors citing safety reasons. Says he is under 24/7 US Marshals protection after threats and said “I had no idea this case excited this emotion in the public.”
— Paula Reid (@PaulaReidCBS) August 17, 2018
Ellis made the comments after a coalition of news organizations — including The Washington Post, The New York Times, the Associated Press, CNN, NBC, Politico and BuzzFeed — requested the names and addresses of jurors seated for Manafort’s case.
“There is no reason to believe that extraordinary circumstances exist that would justify keeping jurors’ names sealed — particularly after they have rendered their verdict,” their motion reads.
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But Ellis disagreed, and rejected the motion for fear the jurors would be subject to the same harassment he has received.
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The threats must be from the Left as the headline does not scream “Rightwing Zealots Threaten Manafort Judge”
Dodgy as hell. I hope Judge Ellis sticks a red hot poker right through the malicious MSM’s black heart.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 5:54 pm
The media is probably lurking to take pictures as the jury members leave.
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By stella on August 17, 2018 at 6:23 pm
Probably. Dirty rats.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:13 pm
I forgot about this;
https://twitter.com/WerIstDeinPa/status/1030594854932205568
Filthy subhuman MSM bullies.
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By lovely on August 17, 2018 at 7:25 pm
lilbirdee12’s prayer:
Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.
Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.
Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.
Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.
We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.
In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 9:02 pm
Amen
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By auscitizenmom on August 17, 2018 at 9:06 pm
Amen.
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By sandandsea2015 on August 17, 2018 at 9:49 pm
Amen
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By Col.(R) Ken on August 17, 2018 at 10:43 pm