General Discussion, Friday, December 30, 2016


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  1. texan59 says:

    This week sure went by fast. Coffee up y’all. Nice picture up top. Real close to home. Beautiful this time of year.

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  2. czarowniczy says:

    Coffee looks good. Wasn’t supposed to be here, hoped to be in bed but as I let the old and ‘fluffy’ border collie out for her last constitutional she walked right into four deer in the backyard. She’ll be bsck soon, she’s just shooting for familiarization.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Dog’s back, gotta listen to a ‘just missed it by thiiiiiiiis much’ story and then it’s off to bed.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        You’ll notice that was morning, early morning. Then again to a dog or cat it’s not a thing about morning, afternoon, night…it’s all ‘ awake or asleep” as we found out before dawn when something got up,on the patio and two dogs loudly told it were it not for the glass door they’d both be out there to kick its furry tail. From the length of the noisy encounter I presume the critter was sitting out there reminding them ‘there was a door though’. Sheesh, and I put up all of those ‘no trespassing’ signs. Blasted Common Core….

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  3. MaryfromMarin says:


    Living here is just one joy after another:

    California Democrats legalize child prostitution

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  4. czarowniczy says:

    Had to go into the Big City this afternoon, highway was packed with logging trucks, each driving tobs of logs into the psper mill. These guys (OK, and gals) arevself-employed, payed by the load. Cash for loads, no benefits, they own and maintain their own equipment and work from before dawn to last light. They’ll fill their rigs with logs even after the mill’s closed, parking and taking their loads in for mill opening.
    The guys/gals who operate the equipment tha cuts, drags and processes the trees for transport are usually owner/operators too, again they work from first light to no light and are paid by the job. It’s hard, dangerous and dirty work, you’ll usually find many of them have strong pain relievers in their lunch boxes right next to the thermos. No paid sick leave, no paid vaycay or holidays.
    Wonder where I’m goin here? Well on the news we had another ‘labor organizer’ who was going on about how hard it was for an adult working flipping burgers or bending tacos to make a living wage. How the work is hot and dirty and the benefits and pay are inadequate…blah, blah, blah. The ‘workers’ were out making the usual aggrieved worker gestures and whines, demanding a $15 an hour salary at least.
    Now how many of these loggers make $15 an hour after expenses? You’re going to tell me that line workers at a fast food shop somehow should get $15 an hour and benefits when these loggers who bust their asses working on a production basis and not on an hourly basis barely get that with no benefits? I sense a disturbance in the farce.

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    • ImpeachEmAll says:

      Understand your point; however, two wrongs do not make a right.

      Had our wonderful, caring politicians maintained COLA for the minimum wage, it would be around $25.00 an hour. Yes, $25.00 an hour.


      • czarowniczy says:

        Yes, BUT, those jobs were traditionally for students or folks looking for a part-time, low-pay job. Object was to keep labor costs low while providing a reasonably priced product, the jobs were never meant to be a career or living wage medium.
        People in those jobs have a myriad of reasons why life sucks and why they have a jobette vice a career. So we’re going to turn this into a career? High school students are going to get $15 or more an hour or we’re going to have salaries needs tested? We’re going to see franchise owners lose already low-per-investment profits slump as people balk at paying increased prices? When it becomes cheaper to eat crap at home than eat crap at a fast food outlet why bother to go crap hunting? I think Mickey D’s food costs more than it’s worth now, even a slight increase will point me and my GGS to Ihop, and Ihop has more comfortable seats.

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    • derk says:

      Good comment. Got me thinking on the “pay” reflecting the difficulty/cost of the job performed. Here’s a simple list:
      Movie Stars
      Seems to me that if based on risk/reward/effort/benefit factors, top would be paid better than the below. Inverted to be sure. Perverted as well.

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    • Col.(R) Ken says:

      Same here Czar, mostly in the northern counties the border NY.

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  5. nyetneetot says:

    On the sixth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me….

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  6. MaryfromMarin says:

    [Made larger, for your eating pleasure (?)]:

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Actually I generally won’t touch it with a rented tongue but for many years at Mardi Gras It’s been a trafitional dip mixed with Rotel and nuked. We’ve added chili, or chopped shrimp, crab, about anything short of….well, we haven’t found a limit yet….and after a day of partying and drinking it goes down well. Rest of the year it serves, at best, as Naugahyde patch.

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    • ImpeachEmAll says:

      ZM will not be happy with the plated omelet.

      Jelly is not an acceptable substitute for bacon. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  7. ImpeachEmAll says:

    The door may be open
    and nobody home; but,
    at least, the lights are still on. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Time for another log…

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  8. derk says:

    Good morning Stella, fine people,
    Austin Riverwalk, beautiful. My son is there now with his girlfriend, took in last nights Alamo Bowl. OK St. walloped Colorado even though he was dressed head to toe in Buff gear.
    Gave my ph. # out the other day, and receiver replied, “Thanks for trusting me with this.” Thought it an odd comment. Wasn’t that long ago we had these huge directories delivered to our doorsteps listing such, along with an address most of the time.

    Off to watch the sun rise over the East Bay. Yes, home of the Raiders!
    Have a great day y’all!

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  9. nyetneetot says:

    Morninโ€™ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿธ (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Morninโ€™ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿธ (Old Fashioned)
    Morninโ€™ Menagerie! ๐Ÿ˜Ž |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) ๐Ÿฑ ๐Ÿธ (Flaming Lamborghini)|_|
    Mornin’ Sharon! ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿธ (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿธ (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (fuzzy navel)
    Morninโ€™ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ Czarina! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Godfather)
    Morninโ€™ MaryfromMarin! ๐Ÿ˜€ |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Morninโ€™ Howie! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Morninโ€™ TwoLaine! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Morninโ€™ Sha! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Morninโ€™ The Tundra PA! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Baileys Irish Cream on the rocks)
    Morninโ€™ lovely! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Backdraft)
    Morninโ€™ michellc! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Salty dog)
    Morninโ€™ auscitizenmom! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! ๐Ÿ™‚ (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ ๐Ÿธ (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (โ€œStellarsโ€) ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Kamikaze)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (1961 Chรขteau Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿธ (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ Rhea Salacia Volans! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ joshua! ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ John Denney ๐Ÿ™‚ |_| (RumChata)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! ๐Ÿ˜› (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. ๐Ÿ˜ณ
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! ๐Ÿ˜•

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:


    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Christmas pastries with coffee

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  10. stella says:

    Putin Stunner: “We Will Not Expel Anyone; We Refuse To Sink To Obama’s Level”

    Which he did on Friday morning, when in a stunning reversal, the Russian leader took the high road, and in a Kremlin statement said that, contrary to expectations, Russia wonโ€™t expel any Americans in retaliation to US moves, in a brutal demonstration of just how irrelevant Obama’s 11th hour decision is for US-Russian relations.

    In the statement Putin said that Russia wonโ€™t cause problems to U.S. diplomats or deport anyone, adding that Russia has the right to respond in tit-for-tat manner, but it will not engage in irresponsible diplomacy.

    โ€œWe reserve the right to retaliate, but we will not sink to the level of this irresponsible โ€˜kitchenโ€™ diplomacy. We will take further moves on restoring Russian-American relations based on the policies that the administration of President-elect Donald Trump adopts,โ€

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  11. Good morning, Stella, everybody! Nice picture!

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  12. amwick says:

    Good morning all.
    I am here and not playing tennis. I am not happy at this exact moment.
    I joined a local tennis club that went public, for the month of December, and I didn’t get to play one time. My own stupidity….

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  13. Wooly Phlox says:

    It gets better:

    From the Daily Mail, the best newspaper in the world:

    The ministry’s spokeswoman Maria Zakharova claimed the US and American people were ‘humiliated by their own President’ in what she described as the Cold War-style measures against Moscow.

    ‘They are the group of foreign policy losers, angry and shallow-brained,’ she said.

    In a personal onslaught, she claimed Secretary of State John Kerry was not in line with what Moscow sees as draconian measures.

    ‘The most surprising thing is that having failed to add to the history any achievements at the world stage, the Noble Prize winner managed to make a big inkblot instead of an elegant mark.

    ‘Only Kerry deserves sympathy from this group of spoilers.

    ‘He was not an ally, but he tried to remain professional and to keep his human dignity.’

    She claimed: ‘His own colleagues were mocking him, cheated on him and did not let him work.

    ‘God save any Secretary of State from what he had to go through.

    ‘Mr Kerry, at this hard moment for the USA let me express my solidarity with you – you have done everything possible in order to prevent foreign policy collapse in your country. ‘

    John Effin Kerry is being compared favorably to Obama. What a world.

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  14. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ kids! Apparently feckless leader continuing his m.o. of making an ass of himself is all the news. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  15. amwick says:

    This is news today, Sikh LEO in NYC have won the right tow wear their traditional turbans and beards.


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    • stella says:

      Nothing against Sikhs, but we shouldn’t be making exceptions based on religion. Can they now deny female Muslim officers the right to wear their religion’s headgear?

      Liked by 7 people

      • Wooly Phlox says:

        Or bomb-belts for that matter.

        Hey, it’s just “cultural”.

        And we all know that “cultural” means fuzzy teddy bears, excluding American or White European culture, that is. Or Russian culture, in a bizarre twist of the Left.


      • michellc says:

        This is just my opinion but I think all these exceptions that are made, whether for religion, size, age, sex, etc. are making our public service unsafe.
        A friend and I were talking today about all the house fires lately and how all of them have been a total loss. Her husband is a retired firefighter and was complaining years ago before he retired about exceptions they were starting to allow so they wouldn’t discriminate against women or those not in good physical shape was going to lead to inept fire departments.
        There was a reason for uniforms, physical tests, etc. that was for the safety of those in these jobs as well as the safety for citizens.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      Nope. I don’t like this. Just ONE step closer to burkas. (I know Sikhs are not muslim, but allowing changes in dress code for other cultures is not a good idea.)

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Hey, y’all, DoD relaxed its military dress regulations some three years ago allowing troops to wear religious headgear, have beards, tattoos or piercings if their religion requires it. Jewish soldiers can finally wear their yarmulkes, Siks their turbans and beards, Moslems their beards and Wiccans their piercings and tattoos within reason.


    • Col.(R) Ken says:

      I see your point (s) on this article. When a Sikh says he has your back, your covered. Some of the bravest soldiers in the British Army…..

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  16. stella says:

    Peggy Noonan did well with this one:

    Shining a Light on โ€˜Back Rowโ€™ America
    Iโ€™ve written of the great divide in America as between the protected and the unprotectedโ€”those who more or less govern versus the governed, the facts of whose lives the protected are almost wholly unaware. Mr. Arnade sees the divide as between the front-row kids at school waving their hands to be called on, and the back-row kids, quiet and less advantaged. The front row, he says, needs to learn two things. โ€œOne is how much the rest of the country is hurting. Itโ€™s not just economic pain, itโ€™s a deep feeling of meaninglessness, of humiliation, of not being wanted.โ€ Their fears and anxieties are justified. โ€œThey have been excluded from participating in the great wealth of this country economically, socially and culturally.โ€ Second, โ€œThe front-row kids need humility. They need to look in the mirror, โ€˜We messed this up, weโ€™ve been in charge 30 years and havenโ€™t delivered much.โ€™ โ€ โ€œThey need to take stock of what has happened.โ€

    Of those falling behind: โ€œTheyโ€™re not lazy and weak, theyโ€™re dealing with bad stuff. Both conservative and progressive intellectuals say Trump voters are racist, dumb. When a conservative looks at a minority community and says, โ€˜Theyโ€™re lazy,โ€™ the left answers, โ€˜Wait a minute, letโ€™s look at the larger context, the availability of jobs, structural injustice.โ€™ But the left looks at white working-class poverty and feels free to judge and dismiss.โ€

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  17. Wooly Phlox says:

    And better, and better…

    Maria Zakharova claimed US citizens were let down by the White House, and added: ‘Not by international terrorists, not by troops of the enemy.

    ‘This time Washington got a slap in the face from its own master and it increased the urgent agenda of the incoming Donald Trump team to its maximum level.’

    Moscow hopes that Trump’s arrival next month in the White House will gradually lead to a reset of relations between the two countries.

    ‘That’s all, the curtain falls,’ she said of the Obama presidency.

    ‘The bad performance is over.

    ‘The whole world, from the stalls to the upper balcony, is watching the smashing blow on American prestige and its leadership made by Barack Obama and his illiterate foreign policy team, that disclosed its top secret to the world – their exceptional nature was a mask for their helplessness.

    ‘No single enemy could do more harm to the USA.’

    :slow clap:

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  18. Wooly Phlox says:

    Serious talent:


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  19. czarowniczy says:

    The National Law Enforcement Officer’s Memorial Fund reported that the number of officers murdered in 2016 was at a five year high and PBS, TIME and NPR are milking it. PBS is saying the numbers ‘shot, killed’ are up, NPR is saying number killed by firearms is up, TIME saying the numbers are up in 2016.
    True dat, numbers are up but under Obama we’ve seen three notable spikes in LEO shooting deaths, 2010, 2011 and 2016. The liberal MSM attributes these deaths to firearms, as if the firearm enchanted the shooter to shoot the officer, the evildoer had no evil intent to donevil until the evil gun forced him to do so. Never mind the spikes underbthe most cop-hate inspiring president we’ve ever had.
    Of note is that the MSM makes no mention of the numbers of LEO killed by their own weapons. It’s a dirty lil secret that a goodly number of the police shootings, fatal,or not, are done by perps taking away the officer’s guns and turning them on the officers. I went thru the academy many years ago and weapons retention was a big issue then, We went through a full day of retention traning and updated retention training regularly after that, the figures we were given way back then were that over 20% of officer shootings were by weapons taken away from officers. There was also an active market in retention holsters that required up to three separate actins to be taken by the officer before the gun could be drawn.
    Guess that when you’re pushing your ‘unarmed population as walking target’ agenda tweaking the presentation of facts is a viable tactic.

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    • stella says:

      Roseanne supported Trump.


      • Wooly Phlox says:

        I don’t know what it is about what’s inside a person that shows in their face, but the last couple pics I saw of Roseanne, she looked pretty, and dignified. It was shocking to me.

        I never thought I’d see that, or say that, but it’s true.

        “You look different somehow, Roseanne.”

        Got rid of the internal ugliness.

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  20. stella says:

    More thoughts about Israel:

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  21. Wooly Phlox says:

    Shameless, sycophantic, feckless t**ts, 2008 edition, wherein it is Urgent that we swear Obama into office RIGHT NOW, instead of January 20.

    I’m sure all these MSM quotes are actually the result of Russian hackers.

    These people, in a just world, would all be homeless and panhandling.

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  22. Wooly Phlox says:

    It amazes me that I’m still sane. Some would argue that point.

    Some knowledge is too much for most people. I decline to share what I’ve seen with most people, because they’d go catatonic if they knew.


  23. Wooly Phlox says:


    People only repeat the lie they’ve been told 5,000 times.

    They know it’s true. They can’t explain it. They can only repeat it. And then go back to their Programs on teevee, which all tell them to repeat it again. Which they do, with the conviction of Pavlov’s dogs.

    But they can’t explain it, and only get angry when you ask them rudimentary questions about it.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      Start with one question:

      What was hacked?

      “Duh! The Election! Haven’t you been listening to the Teevee?”

      They only know to repeat that phrase. People who don’t know what a file extension is.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      I know folks who know how to cater for 400, or who know every building code in Michigan from electrical to HVAC, or who know how to take the front end off an engine and replace a timing belt.

      And they could explain it all. In other words, people who should actually know better, but still repeat that phrase like Pavlov rang a bell.

      If you ask them questions about their particular expertise, they will proudly and happily explain their depth of knowledge. Ask them questions, even very simple ones, about this, they will get angry and combative.

      It’s almost scary to witness.


  24. Wooly Phlox says:

    Did I mention that it gets better?

    HONOLULU (AP) — Stung by new punishments, Russia is looking straight past President Barack Obama to Donald Trump in hopes the president-elect will reverse the tough U.S. stance toward Moscow of the last eight years. In a stunning embrace of a longtime U.S. adversary, Trump is siding with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Whether Trump steers the U.S. toward or away from Russia upon taking office is shaping up as the first major test of his foreign policy disposition and his willingness to buck fellow Republicans, who for years have argued Obama wasn’t tough enough. Now that Obama has finally sanctioned Russia over hacking allegations, Putin has essentially put relations on hold till Trump takes over.

    “Great move on delay (by V. Putin),” Trump wrote Friday on Twitter. “I always knew he was very smart!”

    He was referring to Putin’s announcement that Russia won’t immediately retaliate after Obama ordered sanctions on Russian spy agencies, closed two Russian compounds and expelled 35 diplomats the U.S. said were really spies. Though Putin reserved the right to hit back later, he suggested that won’t be necessary with Trump in office.

    It would be news to the Associated Press that Putin has been looking past Obama toward Trump for months.

    An amazing time to witness. And to Witness.


    • Wooly Phlox says:


      Really? As if the self-gelded USA could “punish” Russia.

      As if a guy on a girl’s bike could. An amazing time.


    • Wooly Phlox says:

      Obama’s “punishments” for 35 diplomats/spies was sending them home to be with their families over the Holiday.

      What, was Gitmo out of the question?


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