General Discussion, Saturday, December 10, 2016

200-degree panorama looking west at sunrise from the summit of 14,309-foot Uncompahgre Peak, March 2, 2010, Uncompahgre Wilderness, Colorado

200-degree panorama looking west at sunrise from the summit of 14,309-foot Uncompahgre Peak, March 2, 2010, Uncompahgre Wilderness, Colorado

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312 Responses to General Discussion, Saturday, December 10, 2016

  1. czarowniczy says:

    Hate to post this twice within an hour but I see this as a major issue that had some scary potential. Don’t know how true this leak is but would the Post engage in ‘false news’?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.50591036f9db&wpisrc=al_alert-COMBO-politics%252Bnation

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    • MaryfromMarin says:

      I agree. This is sobering,”false news” or not.

      This is the kind of thing that could provoke a really stupid, evil, and dangerous executive order. The sort of EO that would be the culmination of Obama’s entire lie- and treason-filled life.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        And he wants that report on his desk by 20 Janusry, suggesting he wants it in time to take some sort of action.
        Constitution has old POTUS going out on 20th but is rather silent on what happens if, let’s say, current POTUS says on 19th that the election was tainted and signs an Executive Order delaying the swearing in. Legality is questionable but the SCOTUS would have to decide that and it’s in a bind. New Republican Congress would be sworn in on the 3rd so sending the issue to it woudn’t do him any good and places the possibility of an impeachment on the table – and that definitely wouldn’t go in his favor.
        That leaves the possibility of massive and violent demonstrations in the streets along with the very real potential for nasty martial law issues.
        Don’t stop reloading.

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    • Menagerie says:

      Saw this comment there. It was not well received.

      agree , I think Russia made Clinton set up that private sever in her basement and in that bathtub in Colorado. And the Russian mind meld made her send Classified material on it and use her blackberry while traveling overseas. And forced her and Wasserman to conspire against Bernie in the primaries. And they made all those foreign governments send money to the Clinton foundation and give Bill those $500,000 speeches. It good that we are finally getting down to the truth. The Martians invaded her body.

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  2. texan59 says:

    Saturday, Caturday. Who cares. Here’s the coffee. πŸ˜†

    Liked by 7 people

  3. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Time to put another log on the fire…

    Liked by 3 people

  4. czarowniczy says:

    Can’t help but wonder in some enterprising prog somewhere is planning a ‘Million Thug March’ to disrupt inauguration festivities?
    Program tonite was bubbling over how much difficulty Trump’s team’s having finding name petformers who’ll perform at his inauguration, they don’t want to be associated with him or his administration. Kanye West dyed his hair ‘Trump’ blood, maybe he’s considering…

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  5. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Activist Who Served on George Soros-Financed Boards Behind Scheme to Take Trump’s Electoral College Votes

    NEW YORK – Harvard law professor and progressive activist Larry Lessig has announced that he is teaming up with a California-based law firm to offer β€œfree and confidential” legal services to any members of the Electoral College who will vote against President-elect Donald Trump in violation of state law.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/09/activist-served-george-soros-financed-boards-behind-scheme-usurp-trumps-electoral-college-votes/

    Like

  6. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Typical socialists.

    Do as I say; not as I do…

    Liked by 2 people

  7. Col.(R) Ken says:

    Stella, great photo for your daily lead in! Something I have witnessed only once in my life……..Thank you!!!!

    Liked by 3 people

  8. Wooly Phlox says:

    Mornin’ Stellars!

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  9. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ kids! And a happy birthday shoutout to WaltzingMtilda!!! Who is 29 again today. πŸ˜€

    Liked by 5 people

  10. nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! πŸ™‚ |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! πŸ™‚ |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) πŸ™‚ |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ Czarina! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! πŸ™‚ |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! πŸ™‚ |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! πŸ™‚ |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! πŸ˜€ |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) πŸ™‚ |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! πŸ™‚ |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! πŸ™‚ |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) πŸ™‚ |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! πŸ™‚ |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! πŸ™‚ (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll πŸ™‚ |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! πŸ™‚ |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! πŸ™‚ |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! πŸ™‚ |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! πŸ™‚ |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! πŸ™‚ |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! πŸ™‚ |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (β€œStellars”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! πŸ™‚ |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1961 ChΓ’teau Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) πŸ™‚ |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ Rhea Salacia Volans! πŸ™‚ |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ joshua! πŸ™‚ |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! πŸ˜› (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! πŸ˜•

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Pastries for coffee!

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  11. derk says:

    Morning Stella,
    You getting by up there? Warmed up here, got into the 50’s yesterday, after low 40’s and heavy mist like rain past couple of days. It was just 100 ere in mid October. Bit of adjustment which my knee does not agree. Have a great day!

    Just for fun, noting implied!

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  12. derk says:

    Ok, getting the wife things out of the system, again, nothing implied to you fine ladies in this Place.

    Pillaging was very good tis morning!

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      I used to hate me some naggers.

      Early in life, my dad told me, “Son, in life you’re going to interact with people who nag you a lot, a lot. We call those people naggers. In this family, son… we don’t like naggers.”

      Then I saw dad nagging mom about dinner, or did she do the taxes. Then I saw mom nagging dad about gettin’ on us boys to do some chores, or did `he fix the lawnmower yet.

      Then I saw us boys nagging dad about buying us stuff that all the cool people had.

      That was when I realized that really, we’re all a bunch of naggers.

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      • derk says:

        Young and wise, I suppose you are correct. Think some of us just sugar coat it better tan others.
        What? You get a day off?

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        • Wooly Phlox says:

          Until I get a new job, I do.

          I just made my key-ring lighter yesterday morning.

          I think by Tuesday I’ll be painting or doing construction.

          The bossman’s not mad at me, he says.

          I think he knows that 9 years was enough, too, and that I need a change.

          Liked by 2 people

          • derk says:

            I didn’t hear about that. Just happened? You were so happy in your posts here earlier this week. Sorry to hear now.

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            • Wooly Phlox says:

              Derk, I’m happy now.

              I’ll have a job by Tuesday.

              I just graduated from the College at which I’ve studied for 9 years.

              When you wake from nightmares about working your job for almost a decade, it might be time to find a new job. The night before I quit, two nights ago. I awakened from a crazy work-dream, all of them full of surreal levels of frustration and pressure and stress, EVERY FIFTEEN MINUTES. Then I got up at 0500, shaved, sh*t and showered, and walked into the Kafka-esque dream I just escaped.

              When you can’t escape your job even in sleep, it’s time to move on.

              When your job itself makes you think of Kafka, it’s time to move on.

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              • stella says:

                So … what happened?

                Liked by 2 people

                • Wooly Phlox says:

                  When I figure it out, I’ll let you know.

                  Rather, when I figure out how to put it, without bad-mouthing my former employer and his family and company, I will. Because I love them all, and did — actively — for years. I just can’t work for them any more.

                  I’m sure that God speaks through dreams every so often.

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                  • auscitizenmom says:

                    I was praying that your boss’ eyes would be open to your worth and that you would have the courage and confidence to demand what you are worth. Didn’t work out quite the way I envisioned, but then, often things don’t. πŸ™‚

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                  • Wooly Phlox says:

                    Ausmom, slaves don’t really have the standing to make demands.

                    We can leave the plantation, though. Yes, we can.

                    Like

                  • auscitizenmom says:

                    I’ll bet your ex-boss’ eyes will be open to your worth when he sees what it is like without you. :/

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                  • Wooly Phlox says:

                    Aus, I’m not wishing for that. I ate Thanksgiving dinner with him, or his folks, or his brother, for six of nine years. I’m wishing his current employees work with Christian love, and an eye on the bossman’s profit, too. Despite that I left because I don’t think that’s going to happen. It’s still the best food in town. Bar none.

                    And he’s the hardest-working boss I ever had.

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                • Wooly Phlox says:

                  For the first time in nearly a decade, I’m nobody’s b**ch.

                  That feels really good.

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              • derk says:

                Well, I must say, your talents were not being put to full use where you were. I’m sure you will find a place to flourish!

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              • nyetneetot says:

                “When you wake from nightmares about working your job for almost a decade, it might be time to find a new job. “

                I have gone through the very same thing, twice. It was wives though.

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      • joshua says:

        sounds rooosisst 2 me….

        Like

      • czarowniczy says:

        I am so glad you got the SPLC-approved spellcheck/autocomplete.

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  13. lovely says:

    Pray for his safety please.

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  14. derk says:

    Good column from Anne, re how Establishment will try to break Trump. Ehen Trump said “Wall” I said “In.”
    Born and raised is San Jose, ghetto boy that I am, I have been personally affected bu the influx since a young lad. Like Johnny Cash once sang, “Had to get tough or die.”
    After moving over to the coast in high school, got a bit of a break. Towards the latter years tough, my children become more impacted as the once fine school they went through became more English as a Second Language, so actual teaching was reduced to taking care of the “Joses and Marias” that imploded upon the small school.
    I worked construction, and over the years, would get stranger and stranger looks as I showed up on jobsites. Another local contractor even told me that at the supply yard, he was told by the Mexicans there that he had to go through them to get work. Big, strong Irish man. he told them to GFY.
    My son, soon after getting his drivers license, and me paying for a car and insurance, was blindsided by a truck that ran a red light. Could have killed I’m but luckily, basically in hurt, car totaled. Driver got out, said sorry in best broken English, and took off running while my child was stumbling out dazed and confused. No registration, no insurance no drivers license.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-12-07.html#read_more

    Now, I don’t consider myself racist. I love the Mexican culture, I have many Latino friends, illegal even. But what gets me is the overrunning, the free stuff, entitlements, gangs, their racist views, and not assimilating but rather demanding that this country bend over for them. I am required to follow the laws of this land, but they are not. Infuriating.
    If Trump does end up backing down on this, done. I’m out. Another politician, whom I did not vote for, make calls for, travel to see for, defended and lost friends and relatives over.

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  15. nyetneetot says:

    Speaking of Fake News: The Washington Post’s β€˜Jimmy’s World’ Scam
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/12/10/speaking-fake-news-washington-posts-jimmys-world-scam
    ….

    As a further example of how not new fake news is;

    Published in 1852, Uncle Tom’s Cabin; or, Life Among the Lowly, by Harriet Beecher Stowe was considered a true to life retelling of slavery and planation life. It was made into plays (it was the first play ever done in Seattle). Laws were passed. The Northern state politicians ran on the extra sensationalism it created. The problem is that it was all made up. Reading Southern newspapers and magazines of the time up to the war of northern aggression, nobody knew who Harriet Beecher Stowe could have used as a model on her – one – brief – trip – to – a – Southern state.

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    • derk says:

      Feel like I’m in “Trumans World”, waking up to find out everything is a lie. Whom is it exactly we have given this power to? Whom is it we have allowed to let us be informed “on a need to know basis”. The “you can’t handle the truth” mantra.

      I believe we, as a people, could handle the truth just fine, it is those the keep it hidden whom can’t.

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    • Menagerie says:

      This is not new, nor has it stopped. Occasionally in working for the large retail companies I was previously employed by I encountered people who came down here prepared to live and thrive amongst the stupid, dirty hillbillies. Most realized they had wrong impressions. A few considered every living person of southern birth to be genetically and intellectually challenged. We didn’t think much of them either.

      The south has her share of notions about other parts of the country too, especially the Northeast and California.

      People like to propagate their own beliefs, and are not necessarily interested in truth.

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  16. auscitizenmom says:

    I am a little puzzled by Trump’s appt. of Puzder. The more I hear about him, the more puzzled I get. I just had a thought. I wonder if Trump is putting him out there knowing the Dems won’t like him or accept him and then they will accept who he really wants?!

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    • nyetneetot says:

      I think it will be like the election staffing. Trump will try various people in positions he thinks they will do well in, and quickly replace those that can’t produce desired results within a set time. Anything we hear about people in the media may not have anything to do with “can they do the job?”.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        Absolutely.

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      • Menagerie says:

        I read a piece of advice ten years or so ago that I have added to my mental favorite file. If you are going to fail, fail fast. Meaning don’t keep doing the same thing that isn’t bringing results. After sufficient time to see it really does not work, quit, and learn from what you did to make a better choice.

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        • texan59 says:

          Sometimes one must do it in spectacular fashion as well, so it can become company folklore as well. Go big, or go home. πŸ˜€

          Liked by 5 people

        • joshua says:

          That is the exact rule that Turnaround CEO management use. Come in fast and low, do not try to make a career or reputation out of doing what has to happen, and if it doesn’t work fast….switch the players and the playbook immediately….you are not there to make friends or draw a salary or get promoted.

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  17. texan59 says:

    I heared we missed a celebration ’round here a couple days ago. Anybody know somethin’ about this? I hate it when we miss an occasion for drinkin’. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

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  18. czarowniczy says:

    Now for something completely different: In the arena of ‘man versus corporation’, me one, corporate low-level toad zero.
    When I feel I’m getting totally screwed by a local big box I’m dealing with I don’t waste time with the store manager or his toadies, I just go home and write corporate. Not just any place in corporate, I find out who the CEO is and address the letter to his desk.
    Usually the CEO has a layer of protection that intercepts the complaint, but even then their intercession has a profound effect on the local squirrel…imagine being called at your podunk store by someone at the corporate itch-relief level. Well this time I was royally shafted by a local branch of a big national chain, my order of an item on sale, a major item listed as being in-stock wasn’t, and they cancelled my order. I wasn’t told they cancelled it and as the day I ordered was the last day of the sale the locals told me I was SOL and couldn’t get one or a rain check.
    One letter to the company’s CEO and calls went out to the store and to me. This letter actually did get to the CEO, slipped past the guard corps, and a person was appointed to ensure that I received the item at sale price and the store cleaned up its act. I also have a call on my machine from the stores manager asking mevto call…corporate guy said he’d called him too.
    I also write the CEOs when I receive exceptional setvice above and beyond from staff, it’s only fair. CEOs tend to like it as they get far fewer attaboys than complaints and some really enjoy calling a local employee to say ‘good job’. Tends to make the employee happy too. Regular satisfactory service is getting to be a rarity, exceptionsl service should be rewarded in hopes thst employee will become management and pass along the trait.

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    • Menagerie says:

      Compliments like that can really give a career boost. It does wonders for morale, and is good for the management team to be able to use as leverage in the eternal quest to improve customer service.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        True dat, I find that really great service is so rare that feel an obligation to recognize it. I’m off to an unnamed Arkansas-based big box where service with a smile’s so rare I feel like I need a shower after shopping there.

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        • joshua says:

          Everything they sell was Made in China and the employees are part time retirees with no motivation. The parking lot is where you get mugged or robbed. Hillary was once on their board of directors, if you need any greater explanation of how Sam saw it all…dispite their campaign propaganda of community committments….

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          • czarowniczy says:

            John Walton, one of Sam’s sons, was Special Forces, MACV-SOG in Vietnam. The Chinese trained and helped man special NVA hunter-killer teams to track and kill/capture SOG people. Always a bit ironic to me that the family would so heavily sell out to the Chinese, especialy as so much of the mobey they spend there goes to the Chinese military to support its plans to destroy America.

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    • texan59 says:

      Sooooo, you’re the guy? πŸ˜†

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  19. amwick says:

    Because you can’t make it up… I was waiting for my tennis friends to show this morning. The temperature was borderline, 34F, so I was ready to leave and head home, but I was hoping that somebody would come. I turned on the radio as I was pulling out… and this is what played, that very second:
    Should I stay or should I go now?
    Should I stay or should I go now?
    If I go there will be trouble
    And if I stay it will be double
    So come on and let me know

    I swear sometimes the universe speaks through the radio.

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  20. texan59 says:

    Remember all the hubbub about the transition efforts being behind and scattershot? I.Don’t.Think.So. This post lines out the 74 questions they are asking at Energy Dep’t. As you may have heard, those gubmint meatheads are all atwitter about this. Looks like someone has done their homework. This is kinda long as it lists each question, but if you just look at the first 5-10, you’ll get the idea. WOOHOO!!

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/12/10/the-doe-vs-ugly-reality/

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  21. texan59 says:

    Bundle up before you belly up. Bar’s open. πŸ˜€

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  22. Wooly Phlox says:

    Tell you what.

    Liked by 1 person

  23. Wooly Phlox says:

    You can’t go wrong with the Avett Brothers.

    Not really at all.

    Liked by 2 people

  24. Wooly Phlox says:

    Wish the bossman could see this, and understand.

    Liked by 2 people

  25. Wooly Phlox says:

    One more.

    Great band. Two people.

    Best with 5-way and a subwoofer.

    Like

  26. Wooly Phlox says:

    Anyone here seen my wife?

    She doesn’t know she’s my wife, yet.

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  27. texan59 says:

    Any of you hear about this little ditty that sailed through the Senate recently? Under the guise of battling Russian “propaganda”. Coming to your favorite websites soon. πŸ‘Ώ

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/senate-quietly-passes-countering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act

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    • czarowniczy says:

      Sloooooly the screws turn, more reverse threads on the way. Preventing truth from being freely published is a bipartisan effort. Watch them start taking down sites that promote things like shooting, hunting, reloading and other sports that don’t have us visiting public venues selling overpriced refreshments.

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  28. Wooly Phlox says:

    One more, a concert. Bobby and Chick Corea.

    It’s not all improv. It’s all genius.

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  29. Wooly Phlox says:

    Bobby. Blame him.

    Last one today, I promise.

    Like

  30. WeeWeed says:

    πŸ˜€ One ‘a my fav-or-ite Roy Orbison ripoffs.

    Liked by 4 people

  31. joshua says:

    What happened to day six of weird xmas gifts? what about the Six geese a laying?

    Liked by 2 people

  32. czarowniczy says:

    Despite a heavy dose of out-of-state money and volunteers Foster Campbell just conceded the Federal Senate seat election to Republican John Kennedy. This puts the nail in the Congressional coffin for any Rat attempts to block Trump. Campbell’s now on TV whining about how the people picked a Republican candidate over his leftist-progressive agenda. We’re talking probsbly fewer than 700,000 votes cast total with some 65% going to Kennedy. Cold weather, Rat parasites couldn’t even rally to save their own free lunch giveaway entitlement programs.

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