General Discussion, Friday, November 25, 2016

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  1. czarowniczy says:

    Well, that’s it folks, six hours of cooking, one hour of gobbling, four hours of cleanup and a short rest until we do it again for Christmas.

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  2. czarowniczy says:

    Nice pic, Stella, reminds me that I do miss snow….a lil bit….a VERY lil bit.

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  3. MaryfromMarin says:

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  4. ImpeachEmAll says:

    If you are thinking of joining GAB;
    you might give this some thought.

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  5. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Time to put another log on the fire…

    Like

  6. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Christmas count-down…

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  7. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Internet gossip or truth?

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  8. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Socialist still in denial…

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  9. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Sad news…

    Florence Henderson,
    mother on ‘Brady Bunch,’
    dies at 82, manager says

    http://abc7.com/entertainment/florence-henderson-americas-favorite-mom-dies-at-82/1624855/

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  10. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Coffee up y’all.

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  11. ImpeachEmAll says:

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  12. nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! πŸ™‚ |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! πŸ™‚ |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) πŸ™‚ |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ Czarina! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! πŸ™‚ |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! πŸ™‚ |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! πŸ™‚ |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! πŸ˜€ |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) πŸ™‚ |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! πŸ™‚ |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! πŸ™‚ |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) πŸ™‚ |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! πŸ™‚ |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! πŸ™‚ (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll πŸ™‚ |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! πŸ™‚ |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! πŸ™‚ |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! πŸ™‚ |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! πŸ™‚ |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! πŸ™‚ |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! πŸ™‚ |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (β€œStellars”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! πŸ™‚ |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1961 ChΓ’teau Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! πŸ™‚ 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) πŸ™‚ |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! πŸ˜› (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! πŸ˜•

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Cinnamon rolls for coffee!

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  13. Good morning ImpeachEmAll! Lots of good posts today!

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  14. amwick says:

    My Friday after Thanksgiving tradition is to mail out Christmas cards. They are all set and ready to drop in the box. Yeah!!

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  15. stella says:

    Scott and Shackleton logbooks prove Antarctic sea ice is not shrinking 100 years after expeditions

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/11/24/scott-shackleton-logbooks-prove-antarctic-sea-ice-not-shrinking/

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  16. nyetneetot says:

    And now for something completely different;
    Japanese comic books are already including Trump.
    (From the Korean version)

    Liked by 4 people

  17. texan59 says:

    Mornin’ all. Finally slept in this mornin’, after a relatively drama-free celebration of thanks. Only drama today is the protonbucket and this jake-leg computer at el Gordito. I see we have coffee up above. Hope everyone had a wonderful day. Kinda feelin’ a sadz when I read about Mrs. Brady passing on to the other side. 😦

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  18. Let the Christmas Season Begin! Woo hoo!

    Be sure and sure this video with all the uptight liberals that you know. πŸ˜‰

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  19. michellc says:

    I know FB is the devil, but it provides me with entertainment. A post I saw this morning that I figured was going to turn into entertainment. At first it was a lot of people agreeing, but it gets almost 11 and the begging crowd starts crawling out of bed and it turns into entertainment.

    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    I know this is going to upset some people and i am fine with that, but it really bothers me people asking for presents for there kids .. first off you have all year to buy a little something ,,even something at the dollar store ,, i am a single parent and have trouble just paying my bills but i would NEVER ask someone to buy my kids gifts,, they are supposed to be something special YOU pick out for them .. my kids know if i dont have the money for it ,, they will be ok with what i can afford … sorry i just had to say something because it just really bothered me

    Wait I’m a single mom of 5 kids no child support because their dad is worthless I work a 40 hour week job and I still struggle I missed the deadline for Angel tree and no I’m not asking for gifts but yes I did get a free Thanksgiving meal through my boys school do I feel guilty hell yes I do but sometimes my boys also know the value of a dollar my oldest son is in the Marines my second oldest works and my younger 3 know that I can only afford so much and do not expect much because if they need something at anytime during I will try and get it when they need it because Christmas is not about gifts!!! I have thought about going to toys for Tots does that make me a bad parent?

    Well this is just ridiculous you have valid points but who cares how dare you get on a classifieds page to belittle people or bash on them their is a time and place for everything and your opinion on a buy, sell, trade site is not needed I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from but it’s the holiday season instead of judging people why not actually be grateful for all you have and give on to others! God bless
    it is also a group for discussions and thats what i posted it as.. and yes it is the holiday season and i am quite grateful for what i have , my problem is people who want a hand out because they think christmas is about gifts .. thank you for adding to the discussion

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. For all you church types out there. Also something about loving your neighbor. Republican Jesus would probably agree with you all.
    ???? i did not know jesus was a republican.. how strange i myself am a democrat.. but still love jesus and my neighbors but dont ask them for hand outs
    Also something in there about teaching a man to fish…..
    if you’re not a beggar and complaining about beggars how is that casting the first stone or judging?

    Agreed. If you have a smart phone and can text and ask for things for your children, you probably can afford to buy gifts even if there from the dollar tree. I have seen children asking for food on Facebook thst I know thst one parent works. It’s disgraceful and it hurts people that could really need help. Rant over
    i got my iphone from assist wireless for a couple dollars a month with 1000 minutes a month so most anyone can have a cell phone

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    • lovely says:

      Hee hee! I’m a bit loopy with having gotten only a couple hours of sleep but “Republican Jesus” has cracked me up. Seems to me the majority of people who bandy the name of Jesus around as a shaming tool could easily be put into the “Godless Jesus” basket.

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      • michellc says:

        I just checked in to read some more and it’s turned into a cat fight now.
        Still entertaining though.
        I especially enjoy those who are saying those “judging” do not see that it’s good people ask for help even if they’re scammers and all should help them even if their addicts, felons or lazy because it’s what God expects.
        Then those openly admitting they’re on welfare and people should quit saying they shouldn’t buy junk food with their food stamps and shouldn’t judge them if they drive nice cars or pull their cards out of coach purses because you don’t know if they received them as gifts. Just cause their poor doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have nice things.
        That one someone replied, “why should I have to work my ass off at two jobs to drive around an old beater and eat beans and hamburgers to buy your junk food? You should be selling your nice gifts and buy your own damn food and if you have family and friends who can afford to gift you new SUVs and coach purses then they can support your ass.”

        Too many comments to copy and paste them now, but it’s quite funny and sad all at the same time.

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        • lovely says:

          Once a young woman was telling that it was awful that people gave her dirty looks in line because she was buying ice cream and other treats with food stamps. (And this is back in the day when it was paper “money” and not a card so it was very obvious to even a casual observer.

          Her theory was that if she ran out of food stamps before the end of the month she had to use her own money to buy groceries so the real problem fell on her. I told her that perhaps the people in line who gave he dirty looks didn’t like that she was spending their money on ice cream and treats while they were being more frugal with their own purchases.

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          • michellc says:

            That’s the problem with welfare and it’s not that I’m 100% against welfare it’s that it’s created a society that doesn’t really know what poor is.
            If they did then they wouldn’t be buying junk food or be concerned with nice things. I’m sure the woman on FB who was excusing her reasons for having a new SUV and coach purse doesn’t even see what is wrong with that picture. She didn’t earn any of it, including her food, it all was given to her by people who had to work for it.
            Being really poor would give her a wake up call and make her have a little appreciation for what others provide.

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  20. derk says:

    Good morning Stella, stilletos,
    Had a great Thanksgiving, went to my ex’s brothers place for the day, which was full of good food, a couple of brews and non stop laughter. They even made a huge sign and had it hanging for me, “Get your Trump on!’. Good people right there.

    If you have ever seen the movie “The Big Year”, about bird watching with Jack Black and Steve Martin, it is going on here in the backyard as I type. Storm is heading in from the pacific. So many birds: robins, finches, blue jays, magpies, hummingbirds etc. One showed up here I have never seen before. Larger tan bird, peach color throat with a black baby bib, black and white speckled chest. Tried to identify it online but no luck. The local neighborhood thugs have as yet to appear, the daily shakedown of the turkeys.

    Hope you all are well, full and are enjoying the day!

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  21. stella says:

    CNN Accidentally Airs 30 Minutes Of Hard Core, Transsexual Porn

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/cnn-accidentally-airs-30-minutes-hard-core-transsexual-porn

    On Thursday night, around the time families across the US were celebrating Thanksgiving dinner, CNN accidentally aired half an hour of hardcore pornography after “a grave error by RCN” a local cable TV provider based in New Jersey that provides CNN’s broadcasting all down the east coast.

    According to the Independent, as viewers were tuning in for a brand new episode of Anthony Bourdain’s Parts Unknown, “the show’s title took on a brand new meaning when the scheduled programming was replaced with explicit material starring adult transsexual film star Riley Quinn.”

    The only thing that spared CNN from even greater embarrassment is that the “error” was confined, and according to the Independent’s report, only viewers in the Boston are experienced the “mistake” on Thursday night as one viewer voiced her concerns on Twitter. β€œI can’t wait until [RCN] wakes up [tomorrow] & realizes that hardcore porn was broadcast on [CNN] instead of [Parts Unknown] tonight,” user @Solikearose wrote. An hour later, the CNN channel was taken off-air.

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  22. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Is today the day Wooly mentioned the “bar” was to open?
    If so, here’s a little kitchen music for you, Wooly. πŸ˜‰

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  23. Taking a Sabbath break, saying Good Bye, Beautiful People, hope everyone had a great Thanskiving, and wishing everybody a relaxing and restful weekend! See you all tomorrow night.

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  24. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Col Ken, out and about?
    Fires warm; coffee’s hot.

    Like

  25. derk says:

    Bit late, but funny still

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  26. derk says:

    “Mahem,….

    …when Thanksgiving gets boring, keep asking ‘How about that election.’ “

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  27. lovely says:

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  28. amwick says:

    So I had some stuff to get at Home Depot,, and found a doorbuster Black Friday barbain! $.99 poinsettias.. and they were beautiful! I bought a bunch and secretly dropped them off at friends. Flower bmbs are right up there with cookie bmbs…

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  29. Wooly Phlox says:

    Evening, all. Beautiful photo, Stella.

    The bar opens a week from tonight.

    My bad. I hope Weed has a backup plan.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      Soon:

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      • Wooly Phlox says:

        My mom just asked me if that was a cake pan in the foreground.

        πŸ™‚

        Zoom in to the front window, it says “JOY” in the window across the street.

        Another preview. Took these minutes ago, to fulfill my promise.

        Bar! Beer!

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        • Wooly Phlox says:

          Every table, table-leg, bar-top, bar-front, and piece of trim came from one barn in Mount Pleasant, MI. I picked them all up off the ground at the dilapidated barn and loaded them all into a trailer with the bossman. Then me and his sister dry-scrubbed every angle on about 400 12-foot boards, and quite a few table-legs (formerly cross-pieces in the peak of the roof, I think), then paved an acre with them, then stood them up to dry in the spring sun, then started the process of applying 2 layers of poly to each and every board. Then, after it’s all built, add 4 more layers of poly. Otherwise we have to give all our servers a pair of tweezers, and keep a couple pair behind the bar.

          The table tops are epoxied. 3 times. Monday we have to get the room temp up to 85 degrees and add more epoxy to a half dozen table tops and both bars.

          The beef. It’s like butter. Did I mention it’s a burger joint? The menu is insanity.

          So is the beer and liquor selection.

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          • WeeWeed says:

            I wanna steak.

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          • Wooly Phlox says:

            In the cooler I find: Blueberry Maple Stout.

            Bossman’s head henchman says, “Don’t touch that. Costs US five bucks a 12oz bottle. Using it for a salmon (or any other meat) glaze. The Bell’s Two Hearted Ale keg? Knock yourself out.” I told him, “I don’t drink the bossman’s beer. I have the keys, and that’s his stash.” He told me “That’s mine, not his.” Twist my arm.

            So I didn’t touch the stout. Last night I got a pitcher from the restaurant. Went to the bar, drew myself a nice pitcher of Two Hearted (after leaving a 12 of Founders’ All Day at the bossman’s house),walked home with a full pitcher of beer (two hundred feet, two fifty at most, not a 5-0 in sight…) and sat and listened to music, and drank a full pitcher of Bell’s. From the pitcher.

            “I painted that floor four times, officer. Would you like a tour?”

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          • Wooly Phlox says:

            When I say the burger is like butter, I mean exactly that.

            It’s every good cow’s wish to be this tasty at his end.

            Melts in your mouth like Land-o-Lakes.

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        • Wooly Phlox says:

          No, Mom. It’s a silverware sorter. And a knife bag.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Wooly Phlox says:

            And some cutting boards, and a medium stainless mixing bowl, three half-sheets, a full sheet, and a 2″ hotel pan. And a rack.

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          • WeeWeed says:

            That’s a nice knife bag – DH keeps his in some kind of fold up Velcro thang.

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            • Wooly Phlox says:

              DH is a chef?

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              • Wooly Phlox says:

                If so, tell him to eat.

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              • WeeWeed says:

                No – but he took training “for fun” and to learn to cook. Too bad he doesn’t “practice” anymore. His pastries were a work of art. But – I prefer “food.” An entrΓ©e and 2 sides with house salad goes a LONG way with moi.
                I was not raised with desserts so I don’t need that like some households expect….. but I AM omnivorous and enjoy variety. Like dammeat, damasparagus and dampotato. With butter, salt and pepper. And damsalad. With Italian dressing. Not French. Not Thousand Island. Preferably a decent House dressing with a bit of Balsamic. The “house” dressing is usually my choice after I try the place. But I digress from the original question…….

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                • Wooly Phlox says:

                  Took a lady friend out the other night. Italian place. Sinatra on the house speakers.

                  (Met a three year old girl named Sinatra today! Told her that was a beautiful name.)

                  The server was bragging that their house Ranch was home-made. I asked her how many ingredients (we make dressings from scratch too, but not ranch). She said three!

                  Milk, buttermilk, and some “powder stuff!”. Yeah, it’s called Hidden Valleyβ„’, lady. Don’t lie. I didn’t call her out on her marketing tactics.

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                  • WeeWeed says:

                    LOLOL!!! I have discovered since moving here to Louisiana that everything is eaten with mayonnaise or ketchup. Or, they mix it, make it pink, and call it “French.”
                    (Imagine my GrumpyCat face here.)
                    NO.

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                  • Wooly Phlox says:

                    LOL, Weed.

                    I lived in, and loved, the Boston area for about 10 years. I also loved the Burger King standard Chicken Sammich. When I moved back to Michigan, I realized immediately, at my first drive thru, that Michiganders apparently like 4x the Mayonnaise that Bostonians do on the standard Chicken Sammich, and that the mayo on such is approximately twice the weight of the chicken, lettuce, and bread combined.`

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                  • WeeWeed says:

                    Reminds me of Jacksonville, FL when I started college at night, a few moons ago. The only place to eat at the time was a DQ. They slathered mustard so thick on that bugger that I’ve called it a mustardburger for 40 years, now. Haven’t eaten another one in all this time, either. I heart mustard.
                    But not 1/2″ thick.

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        • nyetneetot says:

          My mom just asked me if that was a cake pan in the foreground.

          Pfffft! That’s obviously a mold for tequila jello shots.

          Like

    • lovely says:

      Good evening Wooly πŸ™‚

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    • WeeWeed says:

      CRAP!! Today IS Friday……. lemme go find keys……..

      Liked by 2 people

  30. WeeWeed says:

    Have I mentioned today that I hate garbage sales?? Anyway, if you have to do one – start on black Friday and soldier on until tomorrow. Today was good, sales wise…. liketa killed me, but we got tomorrow too. Whatever you want, we got a couple of ’em.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      Drudge today was the most apocalyptic page of his in the last ten years.

      I looked at the page, then hit “X”.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:

      How much could I conceivably get for this:

      Or this:

      http://www.audio-extasa.eu/imagemagic.php?img=images/Yamaha%20CR%201000%20Receiver%200c.jpg&w=1100&h=750&page=popup

      …at a garbage sale?

      I sure wish I could rid myself of these useless things.

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      • Wooly Phlox says:

        I could just put them by the dumpster, but they have to be worth something.

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      • WeeWeed says:

        No idea, yet – we’ve got the JVC version and DH cannot yet part with it. LP’s are big again, though – selling them out the wazoo. Should ya’s need to know. Gave the grandkids all my good stuff (they picked it out – Eagles, Stones, Rod Stuart, ALL Southern Rock, etc…. some unsealed) and even the junk albums are going for $3.00 bucks apiece.

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        • Wooly Phlox says:

          I might get three bucks for an Apple product that looks like a chrome half-basketball.

          I might get five bucks for a 1973 Yamaha receiver.

          Dumpster-bound.

          Liked by 1 person

          • WeeWeed says:

            Hey. Cheer up. I DID have a coupla hippies (dude had his chin hair braided with beads in it) buy 2 quilting books today. There.Is.Hope.For.Maybe.Good.Bedding.In.The.Future.
            Maybe.

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          • joshua says:

            put it into a large bottle and submerge it in urine and call it art…some museum will jump on it and you will be famous for “pissapple”

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    • Col(R) Ken says:

      Ms.WeeWeed!!!! As Czar would say, the mission ain’t over until the paperwork is done. This was something our “usual cast of suspects” had wanted to do for a long time! Our mission was threefold: provide a good Holiday meal, cash gift cards, and assessment of real needs in our two county AO,
      First a real Holiday meal: we provided three days of meals with all of the trimmings to over 130 + people.
      Second: each meal included $50 cash gift card.
      Third: assessment of peoples needs: this was the hardest task. One must remember we were dealing with proud country people, who are not on public assistance. Also the counties receive block grants for senior citizens for such programs as weatherzation, new furnaces, door windows and such. These dollars if in excess at the end of the year goin too the counties general fund. Many of the houses that I and others visited would greatly benefit from this and other local programs. Such as VNA, Home Health Aids, general home and yard clean cleanup and other programs.
      As our delivery teams returned, all information was entered into a numbered data base. No names, just numbers for people IDs. Tomorrow starts the application process for the programs, and a lot more. Our team has two BCD meetings with both counties commissioners.
      All this and more was accomplished by 20-25 people who really do care about our community, and people who are in need. Most do read here, though they would never comment. It’s just the way they are, always behind the curtain…….doing the Lords’ Work!
      So I do apologize for not being present for duty the past few days. The Usual Suspects will do this again for Christmas.
      I’m beat, this was hard work, but I do have a smile on my face, thinking some of those x’s in the book of life were scratched out……..
      Miss you all, hope all is well, see you in the AM……

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  31. Wooly Phlox says:

    If I had a C64 or 128 and all the accessories? No dumpster, ever.

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