General Discussion, Saturday, July 23, 2016

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  1. michellc's avatar michellc says:

    I guess I’ll end the day with crazy John Kerry who says that air conditioners and refrigerators are as dangerous as terrorism.
    That nasty refrigerant inside your a/c and fridge I guess will rape you, behead you, or blow you up.

    I guess these folks want us to go back to the days of root cellars and ice boxes. They’ve already banned the old R-12 in our cars and refrigerators, they’re working on banning R-22 that is still in many air conditioners and now they’re going to go to work on the new refrigerants they claimed were environmentally friendly?

    These people are bat s**t crazy.

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    • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

      It’s all about control, control, control, control…

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        They always claim they’re for the poor people, yet everything they do hurts poor people. Clash for clunkers has made it hard for poor people to find affordable used cars.

        New refrigerant and higher seer ratings, which I think are up to 14 seer now, soon to be 15-seer are making it hard for poor people to afford air conditioning. Due to the phasing out of R-22, if a person has an old air conditioner that needs a new compressor or coil then it will cost them as much to fix it as buy a new one because the cost of R-22 is getting up there like happened to R-12. The cost for a new 14 seer air conditioner is astronomical for a person on a fixed income and is out of their reach.

        War on coal besides putting so many on the unemployment line and bankrupting more than just coal companies makes electric bills higher for poor people who least can afford it.

        Then to make the outrageous statement that refrigerant is as dangerous as terrorism, I cannot believe these people. How anyone with half a brain cell could ever vote for these people is beyond me.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      My electric company sends me an email whenever we have a very hot day. The one yesterday reads:

      DTE Energy recognizes that during the summer months, hot temperatures can lead to increased energy usage, which may cause your monthly energy bills to be higher than expected.

      To help you minimize these impacts, we have reviewed your electric usage since your last bill. We estimate that you have used 303 kWh of electricity since your last bill. Based on your usage so far this month, we are projecting your next bill could be 22% higher than your last. The actual amount of your next bill will vary depending on temperatures and how you use energy. Accompanied by chart and graph. I answered:

      I am retired and now at home all of the time. I enjoy my air conditioning, and will pay for the privilege of using it.

      Thanks for your concern, but I’m perfectly happy with my energy use, and intelligent enough to figure out that higher temps can result in higher bills.

      They also call with pre-recorded messages to let me know that I’m using more than my neighbors. I let them go to voicemail, then delete.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        What the heck? Are they trying to shame people into not using their air conditioning?

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          Seems like it.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:

            We have a COOP and don’t get letters, but we do get all that information on our electric bill that tells how our usage compares to last month and last year and the average of other COOP users. It always says we use more than average, yet we do not keep a cold house and the only time our thermostat is set below 78 is when we have a lot of company over. We do have several freezers but I still cause bs on we use more when I know some of my neighbors keep their thermostats set at 68 all summer.

            What’s really funny is it says the same thing in the winter when we heat with wood and when it’s really cold we supplement with propane heat, we cook with propane and our hot water heaters are propane. We do have an electric wall oven besides our gas range but we only use it at Thanksgiving and Christmas when I have a lot of baking. Yet 80% of the folks in this area use heat pumps, which work off electric and when it’s too cold for the heat pumps to work they use electric furnaces which use a lot of electric.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              I’m home all day now, so I’m using more electricity. I pay for it, and don’t appreciate their nosey parkerism. We also get the usage info in the bills.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                You’d think a company that makes money from your electric usage would like they use more electric.

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              • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

                I think you’re taking it way to personally. You know exactly what it is. Somebody in the electric company — quite possibly there due to affirmative action — had a pet project to prove their value and show something for all the overtime claimed. Nobody asked for the graph. Nobody asked for the comparison between years. Nobody asked for the automated phone calls. What was asked for was more money and vacation time.

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            • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

              I’m in the same situation. Using a wood burning stove with a blower really heats a big part of my house, and I have propane in the bedroom. No matter on the bill. Also, they have to come up the driveway from hell to read the meter but no one ever comes. I’ve seen them up here two times in fifteen plus years.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                It could be worse, they could force one of these smart meters on you like they did me.
                I still kind of miss my old meter reader, he not only came up my hill, but he’d brave my dogs to go into the pasture to read the meter for our shop.

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              • Stella's avatar stella says:

                Keep an eye on your meter and their estimates. The gas company did that to me for a couple of years, then owed me more than $200 when I finally had my meter moved outside.

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      • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:

        Yes, I’m the biggest user of electricity “on my block” too. I ask the girls who call, to stop by and chop wood .No takers so far.

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      • lovely's avatar lovely says:

        Good grief. Just think, part of the cost of your bill for your energy is for your power company to employ a staff member whose sole job it is to compose a letters like that. 🙄

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          They probably get a government subsidy.

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          • Pam's avatar Pam says:

            I was shocked when we had to replace our heat pump unit a few months ago. It should have lasted many more years, because it was only 7 years old, but all the a/c guys could figure out was it was some known but rare malfunction that ends up shutting down the compressor, then the whole insides get ruined somehow. So we dug up the cash for a decent, affordable new unit. Next thing is I get a call from our electric co-op. They ask me if I knew that we qualify for some sort of rebate because we bought this unit (I guess energy efficiency is the reason, but I don’t really believe it)?

            Why no, we did not know. Why are you calling to tell us this, electric co-op person? “Oh, we are the ones who verify your new unit and submit the paperwork, then you’ll be getting a check for $200. You don’t have to do anything but let us come by and see”. My brain was racing as I put together that it was most likely some scammy, big business/government/tax credit kind of deal, meaning in the end taxpayers would probably be giving us $200. I didn’t stand on any principle and refuse the money. I used the reasoning probably most people like me would use – we paid max dollars into every required tax they could possibly ding us for over our long working lives (down to and including paying an annual fee to the state just for having a dog, not the rabies tag), so I said “thanks” and took it. The check arrived within two weeks after a guy came out, took a 2-second look at the unit, and left. So easy and fast and efficient…unbelievable!

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              I got a rebate via my electric company when I got a new furnace two years ago. My installer submitted the paperwork for me.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:

              For almost 30 years, we paid the maximum required dollars into the the Social Security tax. Beginning in January every year, our salary checks would go way down until the maximum SS tax requirement was met. If your gross salary was over a certain $$ amount, you had to pay the max by law. So they began to really concentrate on raising that max tax $$ amount every year.. For a while, we’d get it paid off within 3-4 months. Then they began raising the tax $ limit much more every year than they had been doing. Every year, our salary check starting in January would drop by a significant chunk (almost equal to a mortgage payment), but it would take longer and longer to pay off the maximum. At the end, it was taking almost a whole year. I think the net salary would bounce back up maybe in October. This was just their messing around with ONE tax.

              We were working (I had to stop work finally) and had a nice income, but it was nowhere near the category where they supposedly really hit people and say they’re “rich” (which used to be about $250k I think.) All this baloney Republicans kept saying, that people whose combined salaries were under $250k weren’t really being targeted or hurt, was just a big, fat lie. It wasn’t too bad until we had to move to the DC area, where you could get a little, 40-year-old, un-renovated house in a decent area if you could swing a mortgage for $450,000. The last few years before we got out of there, we had incurred debt trying to keep up and finish raising two teenagers. We were eating peanut butter sandwiches and cheese sandwiches most of the time (I’m not exaggerating) just so we could get that debt paid off and retire. Any thought of vacation had stopped years before, as had going out to eat at even moderately-priced real restaurants. This was a place where you’d pay $12 for a hamburger and fries. We lived through the partial destruction of the middle class working families.

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          • lovely's avatar lovely says:

            Heh, so you are paying a busy body to tell you how much electricity you use 🙄

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

      Yup, you rite. Hard as I think about it I can’t remember ever being shot at by a Kenmore or Frigidaire.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        Maybe they’re huffing the refrigerant and froze their brain.

        I remember when we first got central a/c, my youngest son was around 8 or 9 and had gotten to that age when he wanted to fix everything by taking everything apart. Something seriously wired wrong in the male brain to make them want to do that. lol

        Anyway, I’m in the garden weeding and I hear this loud hissing noise and look up and see a fog by the house.
        My precious son had taken a tire tool and started unscrewing the schrader valve where they charge the a/c. I run over and start trying to tighten it, freeze burning my hand in the process. That’s the worst attack I’ve had from my a/c. lol

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  2. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    If true, this takes their evil to an entirely new level:

    Did Munich killer lure children to their deaths on Facebook? Police probe fake ad for free food at massacre McDonald’s where Iranian, 18, killed first of his nine victims before turning gun on himself

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3703705/Major-police-investigation-way-shots-fired-shopping-centre-Munich.html

    (apologies if this is a dupl. post)

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  3. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

    Nite all, gotta 100-mile one way drive to a gun show with the GGS in the AM.

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  4. SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

    Just getting back from (another) business trip to the US.

    The in-flight entertainment system included a Korean film called The Royal Tailor, which I recommend to you. It is an art film — historical fiction — taking place in the Chosun Dynasty. One of the main characters is an older court tailor to the royal family, who is very ambitious to move up in the ranks but designs rather predictable ceremonial robes based on established rules and standard patterns regardless of fit. Chance puts him in contact with a younger tailor, who becomes first his colleague then his rival. The younger tailor designs colorful, modern robes that fit the person.

    There is a unrequited love interest between the younger tailor and the queen, who herself is fighting to secure love and kindness from the young but cruel emperor. The older tailor, to preserve his position and move up in ranking, is asked to design a robe for a younger woman who may some day replace the queen. He does so, oddly putting together an ensemble based on stolen designs from the young tailor.

    Meanwhile, the young tailor designs a very voluminous white and gold ensemble for the entrance of the queen. The music, lighting, and her facial features — from timid to self-assured, and the smile on the emperor’s face as he sees her dazzling beauty, combined with the swelling music, and all those in court bowing in incredulity — it’s all so lovely. Here is the scene, “Make way for the queen!” (yelled by the young tailor as is typical to announce royalty).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668hHjxthiM

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  5. michellc's avatar michellc says:

    I am done with HotAir, I keep thinking they will get over their butt-hurt, especially allahpundit, but at this point it’s time to admit their butt-hurt is worth a Hillary presidency to them. I don’t know how you can twist it to say they aren’t working towards that goal.

    This is 3 of the stories on their front page:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/22/too-good-to-check-trump-ready-to-invest-20-million-to-end-cruzs-and-kasichs-careers/

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/22/post-convention-poll-plurality-approve-of-cruzs-decision-not-to-endorse-trump/

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/22/hillary-clinton-ted-cruz-was-right/

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        Someone shared a tweet with me on FB from a NeverTrumper and they truly are idiots. They had tweeted, We will share none of the blame for a Hillary Presidency, but you will share the blame for Hillary or Trump!

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          They really are stupid. I have been fighting a twitter war today with Levin acolytes. It’s that same stupid story that Trump broke his agreement because he told Anderson Cooper he might not. I posted a pic of the pledge, and pointed out that Trump met everything he agreed to, but Cruz didn’t.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:

            Are they so stupid that they don’t understand if they keep trying to get people to not vote for Trump that they will get Hillary?
            Yes I know some of them have this fantasy that they’ll get Cruz in 2020 and are putting their hopes in Republicans in congress to stop Hillary. It’s laughable, but it’s also dangerous because it’s very likely after 4 years we won’t have a country.

            I have long argued with some of my conservative friends that far too many conservatives have progressive tendencies and don’t even realize it. I believe this is more proof of this. Only someone with a progressive mind could actually believe their craziness.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              If we make it for four years of Hillary, what we will get is four more years of Hillary.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                Good luck convincing them of that. I blame Cruz, Levin, Allahpundit, SooperMexican, Beck, etc. who know they have some sort of weird mind control over these people. They could convince some of the nuts who worship them what is at stake, but ego, hatred, butt-hurt or whatever the heck it is prevents them all from doing what is right for the country.

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                • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

                  “….they have some sort of weird mind control over these people. “

                  Even the books Written over 200 years ago talk about this. Not everybody is the same, not everybody gets a trophy for first place. It’s not mind control. Just peasant mentality. A vast majority of the population just follows. They parrot back what was said without questioning (unless they are told to question).
                  It’s gotten even worse with the last 100 years of public education. Our society breeds for physical attributes now rather than intelligence, so you are not going to convince the never Trump or Hilary people with facts.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    If there’s enough of them then we’re all screwed and will someday be telling our grandchildren about what a free country is.

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                  • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

                    They have already created the peasant class that has been missing before with the welfare system for the cannon fodder and college education for the officers of the revolutionary army.

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                  • Stella's avatar stella says:

                    True. You can put facts out there (pictures and everything) that are basically not in question, and they refuse to look.

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                  • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

                    You are absolutely right. We breed for looks only, and then parents spend thousands of hours and dollars on the “right” athletic and cultural pursuits to mold their children into vacuous pretty droids who can move well in social circles.

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                  • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

                    It’s vacuous social circles as well for the most part. New money.

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            • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

              What, exactly, have the Republicans stopped in years? Giving a damn about me is the only answer I have.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                Suddenly though they’re going to block Supreme Court nominees, block amnesty, etc.

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                • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

                  Isn’t this replay 4,000 or so of that particular scene? I took my popcorn to the Trump showing.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    Frankly I’m fed up with them and I do believe their numbers are shrinking dramatically, but they scream louder than the rest of us so that’s why we keep having to hear them.

                    I do wonder though if we succeed and Trump succeeds in Making America even sort of Great Again by building a wall, deporting illegals and halting immigration from Muslim countries if they’ll suddenly pretend they were Trump supporters all along?

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                  • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

                    Maybe some, but after 8 years of a Trump presidency where things turned some for the better they would then elect a Hillary type Democrat to undo it all. Damn near guaranteed.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    They make me want to puke.

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                  • Stella's avatar stella says:

                    I think there are lots of Hillary supporters who pretend to be #NeverTrump, based on social media.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    Which makes Levin, Allahpundit, etc. even more pathetic.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              We got primed for a civil war with Bill and the country’s become even more polarized and the government more fascist since then. Hillary just might be the one to push the button.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                She’s so nuts she might do it just to be the one who does it.
                She also loves the money and might push it if the price is right.

                Like

                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                  Agreed, if she can dip like Bill she’ll stuff her Spanx while the country burns. I’m justbwondering what her Waco will be…thing is I don’t think the country’s now as naive about the string of death and destruction behind her as we were then.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    We might not as a country be as naive, but unfortunately I think we have far too many on their side and a fair share on our side who don’t give a s..t.
                    If they gave a s..t they’d quit writing article after article that is anti-Trump.

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          • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

            I have the same battle with my fake twitter account with some Cruzbots. “Trump broke his pledge, so it’s OK if Cruz did.” Every time I point out that Trump said his pledge was conditioned on being treated fairly by the RNC, and if he felt he were unfairly treated, he would not support the nominee. They just refuse to accept that.

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  6. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ kids!

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  7. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| ( and Czarina 🙂 🍸 )
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ctdar! 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_|
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    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸
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    Mornin’ Donald! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Scrooge! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! ⭐ 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra and F.D.R. in Hell! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Cinnamon rolls for coffee!

    = Unprintable phallic symbol

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  8. texan59's avatar texan59 says:

    Mornin’ all. Coffee’s up for the B & G. Got caught up on ½ a weeks sleep last night. I’m a beast right now. Although I do reserve the right for a nap later today. 😉

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  9. texan59's avatar texan59 says:

    I’m starting to like Wikileaks more and more. There well could be many a popcorn eatin’ episode between now and Nov. Unfair AND unbalanced. 😆 😆

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/07/22/ken-vogel-politico-dnc-emails/

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  10. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Some are suggesting (DC Whispers, for one) that Hillary is having a seizure here, then mimics the behavior to cover it up. Not sure of that, but this is strange:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJjHTeo6mVw

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  11. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Excellent commentary by Conrad Black

    Even as Trump Triumphs Elites and the Press Fail To Grasp What He’s Done

    http://www.nysun.com/national/even-as-trump-triumphs-elites-and-the-press-fail/89661/

    It was disappointing to read the editorial in this newspaper on Tuesday that “a Trump presidency would be a descent into the uncertainties of anger, bitterness, and division … a recipe for disaster.”

    This is a widespread view, but it is bunk. It reminds me of Tom Wicker’s prediction in The New York Times the Sunday before the inauguration of Richard Nixon in 1969, that the president-elect would “blow up the world,” and by Scotty Reston in the same newspaper about 12 years later that Ronald Reagan would be a complete failure who would ride back to California like a disillusioned cowboy after his first term.

    As the world knows, but may have forgotten, Nixon ended school segregation and the draft and the endless riots and the skyjackings and the assassinations, reduced the crime rate, founded the Environmental Protection Agency, opened relations with China and a peace process in the Middle East, extracted the U.S. from Vietnam while retaining a non-communist government in Saigon, and signed the greatest arms control agreement in world history with the U.S.S.R. while re-establishing American nuclear superiority, and was re-elected by 18 million votes. …

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  12. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Another good editorial:

    Trump: Tribune Of Poor White People

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/trump-us-politics-poor-whites/

    I know exactly what you mean. My grandma (Mamaw) recognized this instinctively. She said that most people were probably prejudiced, but they had to be secretive about it. “We”–meaning hillbillies–“are the only group of people you don’t have to be ashamed to look down upon.” During my final year at Yale Law, I took a small class with a professor I really admired (and still do). I was the only veteran in the class, and when this came up somehow in conversation, a young woman looked at me and said, “I can’t believe you were in the Marines. You just seem so nice. I thought that people in the military had to act a certain way.” It was incredibly insulting, and it was my first real introduction to the idea that this institution that was so important among my neighbors was looked down upon in such a personal way. To this lady, to be in the military meant that you had to be some sort of barbarian. I bit my tongue, but it’s one of those comments I’ll never forget.

    The “why” is really difficult, but I have a few thoughts. The first is that humans appear to have some need to look down on someone; there’s just a basic tribalistic impulse in all of us. And if you’re an elite white professional, working class whites are an easy target: you don’t have to feel guilty for being a racist or a xenophobe. By looking down on the hillbilly, you can get that high of self-righteousness and superiority without violating any of the moral norms of your own tribe. So your own prejudice is never revealed for what it is.

    The rest of it is just as good.

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    • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

      I’m not sure what to think of the book author after reading the interview. Did he find a niche audience to write to and sell more books? It seems like he recognizes the situation is not actually racial, but keeps bringing race into the explanation.
      The interview seems to be more about perceiving the situation as it is, and didn’t really mention any proposed solution.
      Just like the BGI there are people that make money from our side by preaching to the choir. I’m not sure where this guy stands, but I’m already wondering if I want to read his book.

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    • michellc's avatar michellc says:

      I shared my background once at CTH. I understand this and it hits home with me.
      My family were democrats, yet my family hated welfare, abortion, government intrusion on their lives which was the democrats. They loved their God, Bible and guns, which were not democrats. Yet, they were raised poor and for much of my life growing up we were poor, but even when they were no longer poor they still had the poor mentality of looking out for others and helping your neighbor. Once upon a time that was who poor people were, they might be poor but they had pride in what they did have and they would give what little they had to a neighbor in need. Yet, I grew up hearing Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the little man.

      Unfortunately, regardless of what Republicans were supposed to stand for they more often than not came off as rich white men looking down their nose at everyone else. Local party leaders were always much the same, where local Democrat leaders would act like one of you even if they weren’t. The worst woman I’ve ever dealt with on a personal level was the county Republican guru, she drove around in her new cadillac that she replaced every year and didn’t want anyone in her club who didn’t sit around and eat bonbons and make manicure and hair salon dates. The truth is her husband was in debt up to his eyeballs trying to keep her in the lifestyle she thought she deserved and most of us had more in the bank then she could dream of, but we didn’t need to put on pretenses.
      Something else poor folks and redneck hillbillies can see through is fakes and we don’t like folks who pretend to be something they aren’t and Republican politicians imho are worse than Democrat politicians who come to flyover states and pretend to be one of us in their flannel shirts and shiny boots that probably haven’t even had the tags removed.

      Trump is probably the richest man to ever run for President, yet he came off as a real person, mainly because he didn’t try to pretend to be something he wasn’t, he didn’t hide his status in life, yet he could talk to people like he was on a construction site, in a hayfield, or at the local cafe where the old men go to gossip and drink coffee. He doesn’t come across as a man looking down his nose at you and yet he also didn’t act like a Democrat who was wanting to give you a handout. Just because your poor doesn’t mean you have no pride, at least poor people from my generation.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        michellc, I can understand what you are writing and think the author anticipates this empathy from his audience.

        “… Nearly everyone in my family who has achieved some financial success for themselves, from Mamaw to me, has been told that they’ve become “too big for their britches.”

        This is not the way things have always been. This has been taught to the poor as well as the rich since the first half of the 1800’s to create a division that could be acted upon for revolution (which was attempted and failed again and again – about every 40 years).

        ” I don’t think this value is all bad. It forces us to stay grounded, reminds us that money and education are no substitute for common sense and humility. “

        This is what was taught to keep people poor. At one time it was understood that money (wealth) came from common sense. Education was there to increase the chances of recognizing opportunity and build on common sense. To put it another way; if it is better to be poor and humble, then nobody would have risked life and limb to come across the Ocean to dig in the dirt on the other side of the planet. People would have been perfectly poor and humble in the dirt where they were.

        “But, it does create a lot of pressure not to make a better life for yourself, and let’s face it: when you grow up in a dying steel town with very few middle class job prospects, making a better life for yourself is often a binary proposition: if you don’t get a good job, you may be stuck on welfare for the rest of your life.”

        I agree that this guy can make a connection with the reader, but what is the point? Just to say, ‘I’m one of you’ or ‘I feel your pain’?

        I know you concluded your post with the last paragraph about Trump, and the article stella linked to connects it to Trump, but I’m still having difficulty understanding the logic of the interviewer and the author since they say you have to read his book to understand why Trump is getting votes.

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        • michellc's avatar michellc says:

          I didn’t know those kind of poor who hated the rich for being rich or even wanted what they had. They just had no use for those who would look down their nose at them.
          They also didn’t begrudge those who got out as he says. They just didn’t have much use for those who got out and then acted like those they left behind were dirt beneath their feet.

          Some poor people are content with their lives, I know that’s hard for some to understand, but some don’t want anymore than a roof over their head, food on their table and their bills paid, all through their own hard work not because it was given to them.

          Now we do have a lot of poor people who sit around and hate everyone who has more than they do. They are usually those who have bought into the system that pays them to sit on their butt is a good thing. I have them in my extended family and in my husband’s family.

          I know what would solve it, I just don’t know exactly how to go about doing it. Trump is heading in the right direction if he’s able to do it and that is get rid of the illegals and cut down on immigration that is stealing American jobs, bring back our factories.
          Then we have to teach these people pride again, because they’ve lost it. Most of us remember the pride we had in the first car we worked for or even way back to the first toy we worked and saved for. Sadly this generation there are few who have known that sense of pride.
          Once you bring back jobs where everyone who wants to work can work, you have to start the weaning off the teat process by making welfare and foodstamps a very temporary safety net.
          Free stuff has to become a thing of the past.
          God and family has to be put back in the front not in the back along with teaching people to be proud of our country again.

          It’s a large order and it’s not something that Trump can do outside of doing what is necessary to bring back jobs.
          The rest is going to have to take the society to undo what progressives have done for years.

          I doubt I’ll read the guy’s book, because I understand how Trump won.

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          • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

            “I didn’t know those kind of poor who hated the rich for being rich or even wanted what they had.”

            I do. The West coast is full of them. Each one of them doesn’t have a clue that someone with less than them views them as rich and hates them for it.

            “Some poor people are content with their lives, I know that’s hard for some to understand, but some don’t want anymore than a roof over their head, food on their table and their bills paid, all through their own hard work not because it was given to them.”

            I can understand that, but some will interpret that as not wanting to take on any risk and point to the parable of the gold coins.

            “God and family has to be put back in the front not in the back along with teaching people to be proud of our country again. “

            Bringing God and Christian morals back would go a long way to reversing what has been done. But the socialist bent of what is being taught today in churches would not have been acceptable 200 years ago.

            I read in the book from Scotland, published 200+ years ago that restoring God and Christian morals to our society would resolve many other issues over a relatively short amount of time. A German economist confirmed this in the 1930’s, but adds nobody has ever done this successfully in a democratic society that had rejected Christianity. I’m on the fence with the later assessment. Augustus successfully reintroduced religion and morals to Rome, but to do so he became founder of the Roman Empire and its first Emperor. This result of course, is not what we are hoping for. We don’t want to restore Christianity and it’s morals and values for 500 years at the expense of an American Empire or Emperor Trump.

            …Back later

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  13. michellc's avatar michellc says:

    I was in my office on the computer, which is off my bedroom. Hubby was in the bedroom watching an offroad race and suddenly I heard that Hillary was going to announce her VP. I’m sitting here thinking, “I can’t believe he isn’t turning the tv.” Hillary comes on and tries to go after Trump and tells the people cheering for her they are the future and I’m thinking, “Is he dead?”

    She screeches and I hear, “what the hell and then hear another channel.”

    He comes walking through and I ask, “heard all of that you want to hear?” He says, “I had fell asleep and that screeching banshee woke me up. If the idiots in this country elect that b…h I’m going to make it my mission to find every single person who voted for her and knock them on their ass.”

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    • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

      I was in my office on the computer, which is off my bedroom.
      I was “in”, “on”, “off”. OK got it.
      Hubby was in the bedroom watching an offroad race and suddenly I heard that Hillary was going to announce her VP.
      …. He was in the bedroom alone watching Hillary Clinton……. This is going to be bad isn’t it?
      I’m sitting here thinking,
      Yup. Very bad.
      “I can’t believe he isn’t turning the tv.”
      Oh. OK. Maybe not that bad.
      Hillary comes on and tries to go after Trump and tells the people cheering for her they are the future and I’m thinking,
      OY! She’s thinking again! Bad.
      “Is he dead?”
      Oh no. Where is this going?
      She screeches and I hear, “what the hell and then hear another channel.”
      Whewwww!

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

      ROTFL 😀

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  14. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Our friend, Jack Cashill, writes about Hillary. On FB, he has this to say:

    I try to avoid electoral politics on these pages, but after two days of hysteria about how a Trump victory will mean a/the end of Democracy or b/the end of the Constitution or c/the end of the Republican Party, I need to share at least one of the reasons why some of us fear Hillary more including my friend Nakoula.

    http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/hillarys_worst_crime.htm

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      ADD: There is much in this article that I did not know about the film maker. It seems the Feds not only put him in jail, but also leaked previously sealed information that could put the man’s life in danger. They have also held him in a half-way house for six months after his jail term ended.

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  15. The Tundra PA's avatar The Tundra PA says:

    La-la-la-TRUMP TIME!

    – Monday, July 25, 2016 –
    ​Roanoke, VA
    The Hotel Roanoke & Conference Center
    3:00 PM
    Donald J. Trump and Governor Mike Pence will be holding a Town Hall
    Doors open at 1:00 PM

    – Monday, July 25, 2016 –
    Winston-Salem, NC
    ​Winston Salem Fairground Annex
    8:00 PM
    Donald J. Trump and Governor Mike Pence will be holding a rally
    Doors open at 5:00 PM

    Time to start wearing Hillary out with the blistering pace he can set. To all of our great delight! I just love both of these guys. The next 3 months is going to be fun to watch.

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  16. texan59's avatar texan59 says:

    Never heard of these before. Wonder if our friend ZMike has visited any of these Swiss chalets? Pretty cool. 😯 😯

    http://www.messynessychic.com/2015/06/26/fake-chalets-unmasking-the-bunkers-disguised-as-quaint-swiss-villas/

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  17. Stella's avatar stella says:

    “Clinton Cash” available on line at Breitbart. No cost, no password required, until 1:00 am 11 pm.

    http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      Well, I watched. Now I am really depressed. It is clear that our government and the press will protect the Hillary and Bill Clinton no matter what they do, unless there is a major change in Washington. They are running a world-wide confidence racket, selling out the U.S., even selling out the environmental movement!

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

      Thanks for posting that. I knew a little about some of their dealings, but I had no idea about the scope of what they were doing. Treason. That is what it is. Treason to our country and to the whole world.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      11 Explosive Clinton Cash Facts Mainstream Media Confirm are Accurate

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/26/11-explosive-clinton-cash-facts-mainstream-media-confirm-are-accurate/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
      Perhaps the most surprising thing about the forthcoming book rocking Washington right now is the number of stunning facts liberal media outlets have already confirmed and verified are accurate.

      Here, then, are 11 facts that mainstream media say are true, verified, and facts from the upcoming blockbuster, Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich. …

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      • Stella's avatar stella says:

        NOTE: This article is from April of last year. The book has been out for more than a year. Has Hillary or has Bill been indicted for anything mentioned and confirmed by major news organizations? NO.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        I’m almost done watching it. It validates what I wrote about socialism only being a method for corrupt people to get rich. They believe none of the things they say to get support of the masses.

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  18. Pam's avatar Pam says:

    This morning, I wrote a long (too long probably, sorry) comment to go under the really good discussion above about the state of the country, elections and the “peasant mentality.” WordPresss wouldn’t let me post the comment, but I’ve learned to save it ahead of time. 🙂 Since it’s long and I’ve tried 3 times to get it somewhere inside the conversation and failed, I’m going to try posting it as a stand-alone comment.
    ——
    Y’all got so far right to the margin that the “reply” option disappeared. This is a really good discussion. Michellc’s comment “If there’s enough of them then we’re all screwed..” is the same conclusion I have come to. Now, combine that with the other discussion about the kind of robot, zealot thinking we see even next door, and what conclusions are sitting here, right in front of us? Then, factor in that there’s another huge group of politically interested people out there who violently disagree with any form of “conservative” thought whatsoever, people who want the progressive, nwo, Dem ideas of government. Then, think about the group who rarely bother to give a single thought to our country, the good of society, or the government. Which group is the largest? My guess is the last group is the largest, and that if any of them even bother to vote, they are mostly people who would vote for the side that’s got the media and entertainment industry backing them, because if anything at all political gets into their brains it’s going to come from media entertainment or their facebook buddies. Many people watching Jon Stewart thought they were watching a real news broadcast!

    If there ever was really a time when a larger group of people in this country didn’t have the peasant mentality, I think we’re long past that now, probably well over 100 years past that (not just the last 8 like so many seem to believe.) We had newspapers, then we had radio and movies, but when the television set appeared on the scene, and all that’s followed since then (especially including what’s being done in schools), I think our gooses were cooked as far as independent, rational, logical thinking is concerned. I’ve read enough of the history of Rome to see how the elites controlled the masses. Their job would have been infinitely easier if they had had the tools we possess today. The more I see, after watching for years, the more I learn from history, the more inevitable it appears to me that the Republic is probably finished. The Romans corrupted their own Republic, then had their years at the end with different waves of barbarians beating a path to their door. They held them off, for a time. Now we have our own barbarian waves, combined with a big bunch of Americans who don’t want our form of government as it was instituted.

    We can try to get back closer to the Constitution and Rule of Law, but the system of law has itself been manipulated and corrupted. They found ways to start going around the Constitution, creating legal precedents, and how in the world can all that be easily or quickly undone since we now have unknown numbers of “laws” that are unconstitutional? I can’t see our military ever moving in and trying a coup because I believe we’re too ingrained against that option, plus we do have laws against it. There’s not one branch of government left that still operates as it was set up to do. My last holdout was hope in the Supreme Court. No, they’re gone too. Let’s say by some miracle, we pack the Supreme Court with Constitutionalist justices. What are they going to do – proactively shut down the progressive court districts in the rest of the country? Just arbitrarily undo all the bad laws? Throw out all the bad legal precedents which have built up? They would be restrained by their own principles, so if you had to do it one piece at a time, within the law, just how long would that take, understanding that you’d have to have support from other branches of government, and states, as well as most of the people who vote? Realistically, how much time would it take to legally re-set all this back anywhere near its foundation – another 100+ years? Can you envision enough of today’s Americans getting their act together and keeping themselves on that course for however long it would take? I have no legal credentials and maybe I’m missing something. If so, someone please correct me.

    The limits of my ability to figure it out only leave me with three possible futures: some sort of coordinated, massive and open movement to change the whole system (with possible violence as the starting point, or ensuing as a result of the attempt, depending on who is orchestrating the big change); falling apart under the weight of our own failures and economic realities with any number of scenarios of who would get control and what would happen; or going on with this framework, whatever it really is now, and ending in some form of socialism or dictatorship or totalitarianism or globalism or whatever. There may be some alternate solution that would work, but my pessimistic mindset can’t see it.

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