General Discussion, Sunday, June 19, 2016

Posted on June 19, 2016 by Stella

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  2. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
    June 19, 2016 at 12:17 am

    Beautiful photo, stella. You have such good taste.

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  3. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
    June 19, 2016 at 12:21 am

    Only drive-by for the night–long, but informative:

    Homeland Security Advisory Council: Covering for the Enemy Threat Doctrine

    Homeland Security Advisory Council: Covering for the Enemy Threat Doctrine

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    • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:
      June 19, 2016 at 6:32 am

      “Control the thoughts, conversation and the definition of words”.

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
      June 19, 2016 at 10:01 am

      Apprently still some leftover virus infecting the agency from the POtuS’s Moslem supervisor infusion. What better way to show the enemy they’re not winning than by expanding our inclusion and diversity programs and what better way to do that but by hiring the enemy.

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  4. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
    June 19, 2016 at 12:57 am

    “What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?”
    —Mark 8:36—

    Aborted baby’s heart was beating as we harvested his brains: worker in Planned Parenthood video [a reminder from 2015–never forget]

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-i-saw-an-aborted-babys-heart-beating-outside-his-body-new-undercov

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  5. lovely's avatar lovely says:
    June 19, 2016 at 1:10 am

    Stella, that is my favorite picture to date and that is really saying something because you always have truly beautiful photos, thank you for all the work you do to make your place so warm and lovely.

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  6. lovely's avatar lovely says:
    June 19, 2016 at 1:22 am

    Remember Chicago IL lost the 2016 Olympics bid to Brazil mainly because of Oabma’s arrogance.

    Of course the sport of whether more people would die or win medals in Chicago would have been an interesting pool in and of itself.

    SMH

    Brazil’s Rio state declares financial disaster before Games

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/brazils-rio-state-declares-financial-disaster-games-215847439.html

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  7. ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:
    June 19, 2016 at 1:26 am

    A little sunlight
    around 3:12. 😉

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  8. michellc's avatar michellc says:
    June 19, 2016 at 1:49 am

    I was just reading that Virginia Rep. Randy Forbes was defeated by his challenger in the primaries.
    I keep hearing all of these people say Trump is going to hurt the down ticket, but I wonder if just maybe those who will be hurt are the RINOS?
    I know in my district although there isn’t that much polling data out there that suddenly our Rep. is spending a lot on television and radio ads and flooding my mailbox with mailers. I was told a long time ago when you start seeing a lot of money being spent by a sitting congresscritter, you know that internal polling is not favorable. (Although I’m not getting my hopes too high because sometimes I think it would take a miracle for Okies to vote out a sitting congresscritter.)
    Just maybe though Trump is causing people to wake up and throw the bums out and if it’s not RINOS on the down ballot then the down ticket will do great.

    I would be thrilled to death if RINO Ryan was a casualty. I’m so sick of his mouth and RINO ways.

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    • Mickie's avatar Mickie says:
      June 19, 2016 at 2:22 am

      🎈🎈🎉🎈🎈Happy FATHER’S Day to all the dads here!🎈🎈🎉🎉🎉🎈🎈🎈

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    • lovely's avatar lovely says:
      June 19, 2016 at 3:14 am

      Paul Ryan is still heavily favored to win. Remember WI is bi polar and old old tried and true blue GOP. The men in power wear suspenders and belts 😉 that are passed down for generations. WI voted for Scott Walker and Obama on the same ballot. That is some kind mental disconnect. I can’t believe rational people would vote for a man who has his one hand in their pockets and the other adjusting a hijab but hey, these people voted for Obama.

      There will have to be a miracle for Ryan to lose, so I am praying for a miracle. Literally all of the establishment GOP is behind Ryan and likely every radio show host. I’m not in Ryan’s district.

      I do not talk to many of the party big shots at this time. Every time I drive by the RNC headquarters and I see a Paul Ryan sign and a Ron Johnson sign in the window but no Trump sign I want to throw a brick through the window. I know they are going to be as rational as Charlie Sykes so I have no desire to engage in an argument with Hillary supporters who deny that they are Hillary supporters.

      The only anecdotal measure I have is my trip from my house to my mums house, a large part of Ryan the Rat’s district lies in between our homes and in previous elections it was pretty full of Ryan signs. This year there are only 3 signs and two of them are on the same property. No Nehlen signs, though unless he wins I generally doubt that people will admit to supporting him.

      So far one Trump sign and no Hillary signs. I think people will be putting Trump signs up as it is still early in the cycle.

      Ashamed of my state.

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    • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:
      June 19, 2016 at 6:42 am

      Michellc, polling does indicate “throw the bums out” this year. Just don’t throw my local bum out.
      It would be great to see Ryan “Cantor”,

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  9. Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:
    June 19, 2016 at 7:13 am

    Morning Temps: 55*, DP 59, HM 95%, Winds 0. I’m seeking shade after cleaning up from barn detail.

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  10. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
    June 19, 2016 at 7:20 am

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| ( and Czarina 🙂 🍸 )
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ctdar! 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! ⭐ 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra and F.D.R. in Hell! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Pastries for coffee!

    ⭐ = Unprintable phallic symbol

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  11. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
    June 19, 2016 at 7:52 am

    I found the perfect wedding anniversary gift for Menagerie. A necklace:

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  12. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
    June 19, 2016 at 8:06 am

    Happy Father’s Day.

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  13. Stella's avatar stella says:
    June 19, 2016 at 9:17 am

    Good morning, and Happy Father’s Day to all of our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers! I haven’t had someone to honor for many years now, so I admit that this holiday usually slips by in my house with very little recognition. I hope you all have a pleasant day with someone dear to you, doing something that you enjoy. I will take some time today to think about my dad and uncles; I miss them and wish I had another opportunity to thank them for their love and support.

    The weather is hot, hot, hot today and tomorrow, though it looks like we will get a break Tuesday, and perhaps a thunderstorm that often accompanies a front this time of year. Not much rain forecast for this week, although we could use a bit of it. First day of summer just around the corner!

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  14. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:
    June 19, 2016 at 9:24 am

    Mornin’ kids!

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  15. lovely's avatar lovely says:
    June 19, 2016 at 9:42 am

    Happy Father’s Day gentleman 🙂

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  16. texan59's avatar texan59 says:
    June 19, 2016 at 9:45 am

    Happy Fathers Day to all you fella’s out there. Here is what we should be doing today.

    Here is what I’ll really be doing today. Work. :/

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  17. texan59's avatar texan59 says:
    June 19, 2016 at 9:47 am

    So here’s what I was doing a few minutes ago. I did sleep in. Coffee up y’all. 😉

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  18. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
    June 19, 2016 at 10:15 am

    Reading this morning….

    As socialist Harold Laski once said, “Less government. . .means liberty only for those who control the sources of economic power.” What we need, according to this view, is an active state to transfer income, chop up inheritances, perhaps even to impose equality of condition. To argue this way is to miss a key point: Scranton’s founders, as entrepreneurs, created something out of nothing. They created their assets and created opportunities for others when they successfully bore the risks of making America’s first iron rails. Without them, almost everybody else in the region would have been poorer. The amount of wealth in a region (or a country) is not fixed; in 1870, Scranton, Platt, and Blair got the biggest piece of the economic pie, but it was the biggest piece of a much larger pie—made so by what they cooked up when they came to Pennsylvania thirty years earlier.

    — The Myth of the Robber Barons

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
      June 19, 2016 at 11:04 am

      Do you know why the myth of socialism never dies? Because the sin of sloth is a generational favorite, as well as the sin of pride. No lazy azzhole ever looks in the mirror at himself and thinks “I don’t have a big home or lots of money and nice things because I don’t work as hard as it would take to get it. I like to take the easy way in everything I do.”

      I hate that I am about to bring Trump into the conversation. I have nothing against him, but I get so sick of people on the internet who can’t make three comments on a topic without bringing his name up. Nevertheless, this one is relevant, so here I go.

      So many people dismiss Trump’s great wealth as a result of birth. From everything I’ve read about him, he could have started with a dollar and I believe he would still be just as wealthy.

      My own father was no rich man, but he left the family farm in Kansas during the Depression, finageled to somehow get an old truck and trade for a half rotten load of watermelons. That began his produce business. He built it into a thriving business. When I was a child he had quite a few trucks and drivers bringing in loads from various parts of the country, and he himself was often gone in one of the rigs if he didn’t have a driver at the moment.

      When I was a teenager, I watched him religiously watch the weather forecasts on television. He had been doing it for years. With no computer, only those old weathermen on TV, and a pretty good understanding of weather patterns and storms, he would take big risks. When he knew the time was right, and he and his competitors were not going to be able to get their shipments in for a week or two, he would go out on the farmer’s market to his competitors, haggle with them over the price of their green tomatoes, and buy up everybody’s stock. In a few days, they would be buying their own tomatoes back from him at two or three times what they had sold for, or more. And this happened over and over through the years. They never got smart, and he was the most hated man on the farmer’s market, because he was a smart and ruthless business man.

      In their eyes, he stole from them. I think I have a pretty well developed conscience and a very good grasp of theft. I do not see that as theft. Even though I myself have a harsh opinion of my father, and he had bad business practices, I think he did nothing wrong in that case. He worked harder to educate himself in market conditions, he took big risks with his own money, and he made legitimate deals with his competitors. And they were stupid enough to sell to him so many times because their business was slow and they were in a cash crunch.

      Socialism proponents are even dumber and lazier than these men were. They will never say “I have less because I deserve less.” For his part, my own father, who was also pompous, jealous, and angry, always told me that he should have bought lots of cheap real estate in Florida after WWII, and he knew it, knew with everything in him that it would be the way to great wealth, and he had the cash to do it, but would not risk that much. At least he was that honest. Most are not.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
        June 19, 2016 at 11:35 am

        A few pages later in the book it follows the families and most of the wealth that was inherited was spent and gone within one generation. Most offspring didn’t have the skill or desire to run a business successfully. I agree with you about Trump. We had a developer out here that passed away a few years ago that built his business after WWII and stayed involved with his children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren to guide them in recognizing opportunity and instilling the values he had. Now that he is gone, you can see everything is going to end with great grandchildren.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
        June 19, 2016 at 2:08 pm

        And here is exactly why it’s impossible to debate successfully:

        George Santayana once said that those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it. But how can we learn what happened in the past if historians either will not teach it or do not know it? National debates over tax cuts occurred in the 1960s, 1980s, and the 1990s, but how can we debate a subject intelligently if we are misinformed about the facts?

        — The Myth of the Robber Barons

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  19. sandandsea2015's avatar sandandsea2015 says:
    June 19, 2016 at 10:17 am

    Morning all and blessings on this Lord’s day! For all the fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers, have a wonderful Father’s Day!

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  20. texan59's avatar texan59 says:
    June 19, 2016 at 10:39 am

    Our favorite Sunday columnist takes on the intelligence community and the pollsters today. Enjoy with your coffee.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/a_modest_proposal_for_improving_us_intelligence_operations.html

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
      June 19, 2016 at 11:18 am

      By saying that events such as Boston, San Bernardino and Orlandonare ‘intelligence failures’ it demonstrates thst the press is having its own ‘intelligence failure’. The US intelligence community is severely SEVERELY limited in its abilities to collect and act on US entities.
      The FBI is a law enforcement agency that has an intel component, it is not an intel agency. The FBI oversees the US intel activities of the US’s intel agencies to ensure compliance with US laws and political needs, it and not the handcuffed intel agencies are to blame. The CIA, NSA, NRO and none of the military agencies can freely collect intelligence on US entities except in rare and defined cases, legally that’s the FBI’s job.
      The FBI’s part of the DoJ and the DoJ’s a political dog, it dances to the WH’s tune so it’s no surprise that certain crime areas of deep interest to the WH are getting short shrift. They screen that connection by blaming the intel agencies, a traditional target.

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      • Wooly Covfefe's avatar Wooly Phlox says:
        June 19, 2016 at 8:50 pm

        I like to think of those events as U.S. Government Intelligence Agency successes, not failures.

        Success or failure depends entirely upon what an agency’s goals are.

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  21. lovely's avatar lovely says:
    June 19, 2016 at 11:00 am

    Another plant mystery, for me anyhow. I bought this plant at our farmers market yesterday. The people selling it didn’t know what it is. It is one of the the many babies of her grandfathers plant which he only referred to as the snake plant.

    She said that it gets beautiful pink flowers and that I could take the baby plants off and put them in soil and that they would root.

    Thanks for any ideas.

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  22. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    June 19, 2016 at 11:35 am

    Atty Gen Lynch is on Mert The Press telling Amerika how she and het POtuS are going to disarm law abiding citizens sonthat theirbinnercity thug brethren can work in a safer environment.

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
      June 19, 2016 at 11:45 am

      DoJ may meet the FBI’s concerns about warning bad guys that they’re on the Terrorist Watch List by denying them the ability to buy guns and the POtuS’s concerns tha law abiding citizens who might buy guns to,protect themselves from large groups of his supporters by just putting EVERYONE in Amerika on the List.

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  23. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    June 19, 2016 at 11:56 am

    Moderator on Meet the Press asked Lynch directlyband poibtedly a number of times if, when the investigation on Clinton’s email issues is completed, Lynch will remove herself from the process of making the decision on if Hillery will be indicted. She twisted, twirled and dodged in perfect bureaucratic style to avoid answering thecquestion.
    Lynch also announced that the DoJ will release a partial transcript of the conversation between the Orlando shooter and hostage negotiators. Just about all of the shooter’s talk on his pledging allegiance to ISIS and any other on his radicalization will be edited out to keep the focus on his actions and not on peripheral issues, his religion.
    Let’s add that death of the 1st Amendment to the rest.

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  24. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
    June 19, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    With all this talk about banning the “weapon of war, automatic weapon – the AR 15” (and I realize that isn’t what it is) I have not yet heard what this muslim terrorist used when he killed all the people in Orlando. I heard someone say the AR15 that he had bought was still in the car. Isn’t that true in the shooting in Cal., too? Does anybody know.

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
      June 19, 2016 at 12:52 pm

      Shooter used a SIG SAUER MCX. It looks and operates something like an AR-15 but ain’t. It has a military version so it’s designed to use the NATO standard AR-15/M-16 magazine and, with the press calling anything that even remotely looks like an AR an assault rifle, they figure the stretch is to propagandize what they see as a largely ignorant audience so it’s close enough for their purposes.

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
        June 19, 2016 at 12:55 pm

        Okay, thank you.

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
          June 19, 2016 at 1:28 pm

          Wonder if we’ll hear who gave him the money to buy those weapons and where he got the training to use the Sig as effectively as he did? The Sig runs almost $1800 at an online shop so it had to cost at least thst much, if not more, at a bricks and mortar store that doesn’t have the volume and overhead the online obe does.
          Also, precious few security firms use semiauto rifles, even our major armored car service that loses a few folks every so often still doesn’t arm its personnel with anything heavier than a rare shotgun, pistols are the norm. Let’s see if he mentioned that and Lynch had it censored out of the transcription to keep the topic on terrorism…

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
      June 19, 2016 at 1:33 pm

      I be.ievevthe San Bernardino shooter leftbthe scenevof the shooting with their weapons so that would account for their having the weapons in their car. Accounts I’ve heard from Orlando confirm the ‘AR’ was used inside the club. I haven’t heard anything about ‘shoot through’ though, the bullets from the gun that didn’t hit people should hsve gone through s few walls and done damagevoutside the club, so far I haven’t heard anything about collateral.

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      • Stella's avatar stella says:
        June 19, 2016 at 1:48 pm

        Through cinder block?

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
          June 19, 2016 at 1:52 pm

          Regular fmj can, though not generally and reliablybthru filled cinder block. Has anyone confirmed it was CBS and not a lighter construction?

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          • Stella's avatar stella says:
            June 19, 2016 at 2:38 pm

            Here is a photo that shows the holes made by police (escape holes) in the nightclub wall.

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          • Stella's avatar stella says:
            June 19, 2016 at 2:41 pm

            Exact description of the photo:

            Medical examiner investigators check the bullet-marked exterior of the Pulse nightclub on Sunday. The large holes in the wall were created by authorities who raided the building. DOUGLAS R. CLIFFORD | Times from the Tampa Bay Times

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
              June 19, 2016 at 5:14 pm

              Interesting breaching technique, not much on silence and subtlety. The littlevwhite holes around the big sledgehammer holes are bullet exit holes, soneone’s bullets it appears left the building along eith Elvis.

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              • lovely's avatar lovely says:
                June 19, 2016 at 5:27 pm

                LE actually said that they rigged the wall with explosives which didn’t breach the wall so they then rammed it with a BearCat.

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                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                  June 19, 2016 at 5:37 pm

                  I was using ‘sledgehammer’ as a adjective than a noun. Had they have stood there while hammering the wall those white holes would have left red splotches. Now I remember hearing they used the Bearcat but I didn’t see what they’d breached. The explosives I hadn’t heard about, but had they used an Army Combat Engineer who’d served in Afghanistan the Engineer could have, through experience, shown them how to domit correctly. With the wealth of military/LEA experience out there on explosive breaching one wonders why they didn’t get the formula right.

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  25. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    June 19, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    I’d mentioned a day or so ago about the progs using gays as a spear point for gun control, well it begins. Meet the Press had a piece on how the antigun crowd’s organizing gays tomits csuse since they’ve proven to be such a powerful political force. Wonder how they’ll rationslize their still being violently victimized once they’ve helped eliminate their ability to defend themselves. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

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  26. lovely's avatar lovely says:
    June 19, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    The lighter side of life 🙂

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
      June 19, 2016 at 3:01 pm

      My first thought is, WHY are they saying this. What is it that they want us to take away.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
        June 19, 2016 at 3:25 pm

        Same thing as always. The bible is fiction and there is no God (Jew/Christian).

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:
          June 19, 2016 at 6:23 pm

          There really is such a thing as DNA. Believing in God doesn’t mean we don’t have an interest in science, and not everyone has an ulterior motive.

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          • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
            June 19, 2016 at 7:11 pm

            I read the article. I didn’t say there was no such thing as DNA. I am not anti-science either.
            After reading about the scientific revolution starting the 1620’s and the ongoing push since then to discredit the church and religion in general, I read sentences like;
            “They are mainly characterized by a vast range of incredible morphological wrinkles: camera-like eyes, really flexible bodies, and ‘sophisticated’ chameleonic response. All of this is ruled by the larger nervous system found among invertebrates, which makes these beings the rulers of the oceans.”
            And I immediately think of what was written in the 1790’s:

            “…But, as things stand at present, philosopher means a man of science, and in this sense of the word our sages claim great respect. No claim can be worse founded. It is amusing to observe the earnestness with which they recommend the study of natural history. One does not readily see the connection of this with their ostensible object, the happiness of man. A perusal of Voltaire’s letters betrays the secret. Many years ago he heard that some observations on the formation of strata, and the fossils found in them, were incompatible with the age which the Mosaic history seems to assign to this globe. He mentions this with great exultation in some of his early letters; and, from that time forward, never ceases to enjoin his colleagues to press the study of natural history and cosmogony, and carefully to bring forward every fact which was hostile to the Mosaic accounts. It became a serious part of the exercises of their wealthy pupils, and their perplexing discoveries were most ostentatiously displayed. M. de Luc, a very eminent naturalist, has shown, in a letter to the Chevalier Dr. Zimmermann (published, I think, about the year 1790) how very scanty the knowledge of these observers has been, and how precipitate have been their conclusions. For my own part, I think the affair is of little consequence. Moses writes the history, not of this globe, but of the race of Adam.
            The science of these philosophers is not remarkable in other branches, if we except M. d’Alembert’s mathematics. * Yet the imposing confidence of Voltaire was such, that he passes for a person fully informed, and he pronounces on every subject with so much authority, with such a force of expression, and generally with so much wit or pleasantry, that his hearers and readers are fascinated, and soon convinced of what they wish to be true.
            It is not by the wisdom nor by the profound knowledge which these writers display, that they have acquired celebrity, a fame which has been so pernicious. It is by fine writing, by works addressed to the imagination and to the affections, by excellent dramas, by affecting moral essays, full of expressions of the greatest respect for virtue, the most tender benevolence, and the highest sentiments of honor and dignity.–By these means they fascinate all readers; they gain the esteem of the worthy, who imagine them sincere, and their pernicious doctrines are thus spread abroad, and steal into the minds of the dissolute, the licentious, and the unwary.”

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        • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
          June 19, 2016 at 6:52 pm

          If they ever find life on other planets I’m still saying God did it all.

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        • Wooly Covfefe's avatar Wooly Phlox says:
          June 19, 2016 at 9:25 pm

          As always. I realized this in the 80’s when National Geographic Magazine started mobilizing their army of highly-paid colored-pencil artists to make a new dinosaur every month, whose entire description and even feather-coloring came from a single tooth or fossilized footprint.

          When all you see is a nail, every tool is a hammer.

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      • Stella's avatar stella says:
        June 19, 2016 at 6:21 pm

        I think you are overthinking it.

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    • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
      June 19, 2016 at 4:58 pm

      When you come right down to it, NO earthly DNA comes from this world. God created it ex nihilo.

      And anyway, calling octopus DNA “alien” is just linguistic legerdemain. What alien DNA are they comparing/grouping it with, may I ask? Just because it is different from other DNA that has been studied does not make it alien. It’s just DIFFERENT.

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
        June 19, 2016 at 5:22 pm

        Who cares? They TASTE GREAT!

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      • Stella's avatar stella says:
        June 19, 2016 at 6:31 pm

        Actually, the original article (in Nature) says nothing whatsoever about “alien” DNA. It is also extremely difficult to read unless you are a scientist (I’m not).

        I think cephalopods are fascinating. As for eating, I’ve always thought octopus is rather rubbery.

        ADD: I do like squid!

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        • Wooly Covfefe's avatar Wooly Phlox says:
          June 19, 2016 at 9:46 pm

          It all makes sense, now.

          I was in the Navy, way back.

          😉

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
          June 19, 2016 at 9:57 pm

          It’s great smoked and when cut into pieces it goes into my seafood gumbo – orvsquid, whatever’s available. I also,like either o evsimmered in a red sause.

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        • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
          June 19, 2016 at 10:59 pm

          Ok. I read the original article. You are correct. It says nothing about aliens at all. If I understand it correctly, they dropped the octopus from the top of the Empire State building, and the results were not of this world…..

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  28. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    June 19, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    Well, thatvwas a busy couple of hours. Went over to check the hog traps and we had four nice 30 to 50 pounders in one, three sows one boar. They spent a while trying to get at us and turn us into lunch but they are now on their way to become baby back ribs and various other pork dishes.
    We have another trap coming tomorrow as thevother froups havevtorn up, looks plowed sctually, another quarter acre of grass and about two acres of corn. These animals are unbelievably destructive and really wuite vicious. Hats off to my Czarina for sporting the shotgun and covering my back in case the big pigs in the herd decided to come back.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:
      June 19, 2016 at 9:48 pm

      I hope you have a lot of freezer space. Do you smoke much of it?

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
        June 19, 2016 at 10:08 pm

        Oh yes indeed, we have a ches freezer and an upright, you buy you meat, orvshootbit, in bulk out here. We have room for a second freezer in the garage if we hsve a particularly good year. We probably will smoke some but not before we freeze it, these hans will be small and probably will go better with a more trsditional European mrthod. Gonna be braising some in a red wine sauce, perhaps some sausage…

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        • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
          June 19, 2016 at 10:50 pm

          sigh…. drool….

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          • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
            June 19, 2016 at 11:05 pm

            I’m still stuck in the middle of getting them from trap to table, and we’ll be deaing with the mess they’re making tearing up the fields for months to come. The traps weigh a few hundred pounds each, thry have to be checked twice a day and baited as needed. When you get onebor more in the trap you have to dispatch them with minimal damage to the meat and esch other – despite the Porky Pig cartoons they ain’t warm an friendly. They also don’t smell good.
            Then you hsvevthe equally smelly butchering process. I usually don’t feel like eating my game for a while after putting it away..

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            • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
              June 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

              I absolutely understand and can empathize, but I’m not going to let the sausage making process wreck my fantasy of sausage magically appearing on my plate with eggs.
              ….. Although now I started thinking about the happy chicken questions people ask michellc when she sells eggs.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                June 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm

                This is just the ash and trash stuff associated with the total foodie process. As for happy eggs you let them city folk come out here and try to pet the happy wild pigs in the big pen and I guarantee they’ll become happy sausage eaters.

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              • Stella's avatar stella says:
                June 19, 2016 at 11:36 pm

                My great grandfather was a sausage maker (he had a shop in Peoria, IL.) Once the butchering is done, the sausage making isn’t too difficult; it’s just cooking, really. My dad said he remembered turning the crank on the sausage stuffing machine for his uncle when he was a kid.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:
              June 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

              Understandable. My mother didn’t like meat very much (she liked pork the best), and she said it was because they raised and butchered their own meat on the farm.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                June 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

                I’m at the point where if they’d just stop raising nine kinds of hell on the property I’d ignore them. But they gotta be pigs and I gotta do what I gotta do so I’ll at least honor their sacrifice by not wasting the. OK, I gotta ‘waste’ ’em but I won’t waste ’em.

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  30. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
    June 19, 2016 at 9:05 pm

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  31. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    June 19, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    News is going on about how Christian churches in Orlando as well as all over the country are having memorial services for the Orlando shooting victims. Not onevstorybsbout a US mosque anywhere having one.

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