General Discussion, Sunday, June 5, 2016

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  1. Love the lighthouse!

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      It is on Lake Michigan at Grand Haven, MI.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      Trivia: Michigan has more lighthouses than any other state. Probably because we are surrounded by the Great Lakes.

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

        Orva lotta people lack an inatecsense ofvdirection…w

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          Welcome to iPad hell. Right in the middle of a composition the page on the screen splits into two and posts, just because it feels like it. Maybe you can sens a few spare lighthouses to Apple so they can see their way to fielding a product that works as it should. Seems that when You Know Who stole so many of Apple’s forward-looking ideas they may have lifted the concept of buggy software. Quick, Steve, the Flit Gun!

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          • ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

            Blame Xerox and
            Steve’s sticky mind.

            Never use an idea
            prior to completion;
            at least, not before
            another walk-thru. 😉

            http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/10/steve-jobs-xerox-parc.html

            http://www.digibarn.com/collections/xerox-all.html

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              I was at an agency back in 90 and we were being shown a secret system that, basically, is a exact copy of Google Earth. It ran off of a bank of Sun computers and allowed the user to fly down from a great altitude to a point the user determined on a map and then vertically drive it, looking horizontally in any direction. It depended upon having the appropriate overhead and ground photography that the system could appropriately manipulate and there were holes in the databank they were trying to fill in -more like Grand Canyons – but all could think was: “wow, No more cut and paste convoy strip maps!!!.
              Prople I came back and briefed were rather unimpressed, they were desk pilots who only had a passing idea of thevproblems troop in Desert Storm had navigating, and probably couldn’t have cared less. A few years later and I’m chasing Google camera equipped voyeurs off of my farm at shotgun point as they try to photograph the nearly quarter mile of my driveway off the public road.
              In passing, we were also shown (same time, different agency) a secret upgrade for 35mm SLR cameras. They’d developed a snap-on back for the cameras that had a (if I remember correctly) a two megapixel electronic capture screen that replaced film. The user would were a state-of-the-art 20 megabite hard drive and battery pack on a belt and a cable would lead from the camera to the drive-processor. Geez, wonder why that never caught on in the civilian market???. Fast forward just ten years and…..

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                Ya know, thinking about it, go back some 30 years and look at the number of major IT companies who’ve sued other major IT companies over patent infringement. Either great minds have an etherial connection or those disparate IT geeks on Pocket Protector
                Night at the Dairy Queen let those Orange Julius’ loosen lips…..

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        • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

          Your posts always liven up my day, czar. With or without puns.

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

      Ah yes, but what if sone were offended by NOT being allowed to share Bible verses? Schools admin and teachers have benn empowered by God ( can’t say that in their school, right?) knows whom to become mini-Nazi facilitators in the quest for secular cultural purity. I spent over acyear fighting with their smug selves over an issue in my GGS’s education and, after they lost all of the paperwork they and I had been fighting over, trying to force me to start all over again, I just pulled ‘nice’ card off the table, set the US Department of Education on ’em and gave them the name of my lawyer to give to thrir legal staff. Things changed,
      .schools have become psrental adversaries, usurping parental rights and calling the cops when parents dare yonstand up. ThevNEA’s sort of convinced the educators that THEY own the schools and the hest parents can expect is to visit at the teachers convenience but only as supplicant. Situation won’t get better until parents grow a spine and set the so-called educational system straight.

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      • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

        You are right about fighting the system–but with some issues, a year is enough time to cement things into a child’s head. You could end up both winning and losing.

        Here in CA, things are toxic enough that–at least for us–public school was not an option at all.

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          With us it wasn’t a matter of what they were doing but one of what they weren’t. They get Federal funds to work with ADHD kids butbprefebto ierp the money, marginalizevthe kids until they fail or drug the kids into a stupor. They don’t get parents who either take or have the time to fight it or a PIA GGF whose wife did compliance with Federal laws in special ed for years. I have an x- first sergeant/cop presence that projects irritation easily and a demeanor that clearly lets them know I’m neither cowed nor take being played easily. I get all summer to practice for my first meeting with them at the start of the new school year. Really great seafood poboy place right around the corner from the school too.

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          • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

            Boy did I go through that back in the day. Number one son should have been a poster child for ADHD. If it exists. After all these years, and all those fights I’m still not sure that it isn’t the result of pissy prissy teachers who can’t just teach a kid who is a little more active and different, they just have to have a label to slap on them.

            I wish I had a buck for every time I told a teacher or principle that my difficult to teach first son was as entitled to a good education, including attention and assistance from his teachers, as my other two sons.

            If I had it to do over again, I would be way less courteous and professional and a lot more Mother B!tch. I have that presence and yeah, it projects irritation easily. I was younger, much more intimidated, and convinced that I had to win them over. Now I would just go straight to “or else.”

            Catholic schools were no better. My son really goofed off in eight grade. Bad year. In spite of my and his dad’s help, and even in spite of a lot of consistent discipline at home, it was an abysmal year. They passed him. Wanted rid of him of course, but told me it was psychologically damaging to fail a kid. I told them that failure is the natural result of lack of effort and work, and a lesson he needed to learn. Not to mention the fact that someone who has not mastered eighth grade course work is not going to do well in high school. I fought them all the way to the diocese superintendent. High school only got worse. Surprised they didn’t excommunicate me. Equally surprised he actually graduated. I earned that diploma 100% more than my first one. They wouldn’t give me a cap and gown.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              Yeah, teachers seem to get carried away with the concept of being formative factors in children’s lives and carry that role over to dealing with the child’s parents. I know they have a tough job but when parents try to take their rightful roles as owners of the system the teachers and administrators, who are usually at others’ throats, unite to fight the parents. Seems the only time the school hierarchy wants real parental involvement is when it comes to getting more money.
              I like the school’s attempts to tilt the meetings their way, especially when they hold them in the principal’s office and sit us in the lower chairs in front of the principal’s desk or in a class room where they sit on the larger and more comfortable teachers’ chairs specifically brought in for them while we’re given the smaller and harder chairs the students use. Might work if I hadn’t developed Bureaucrat’s Butt a long time ago and left my respect for imposed authority at the gate when I retired.
              It’s an ongoingnproblem, been ongoing for three generations now, and if Hillary the Horrid gets the throne, considering her relationship with the Nazi Education Association, I can only see it getting worse.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:

              I can assure you, Menage, that ADD/ADHD exists. At least the ADD…I know about that one more. The best answer is some brain chemical imbalance. I know there is a problem with young kids being slapped with this diagnosis. I would never trust the schools to instruct me, and apparently some doctors went wild. It may be that there are different things going on, and they haven’t figured out yet how to separate them out or understand them. It may be they are trying to diagnose when kids are too young. It would be difficult, I think, to diagnose during puberty. People tend to think in terms of the hyper part, but it’s much more than that.

              When my husband was 50, I finally dragged him to a marriage counselor. I could not figure out what was wrong…he was so moody and difficult at times, then he would be ok. The moody got worse and worse. It had no relationship to what was going on in our lives at the moment. He had a few times when he almost lost it in anger. He didn’t drink or do any drugs. It wasn’t like depression, exactly. I knew what that looked like. He would forget a conversation that happened 20 minutes ago, but could hyper-focus onto one issue like nothing I had ever seen. Some things he could recall and relate in total detail…others went in one ear and out the other.

              We loved each other so much that it made no sense at all. But marriage counselor was all I could think of. At the second session, the counselor looked at us and said “I’m going to tell you what I think is wrong. And it has nothing to do with your marriage. He looked at me and said “you have done nothing and have no responsibility for any of this.” I burst into tears. Then he proceeded to tell my husband he thought he had ADD and he was going to send him to a guy he knew who could figure it out. We sat there totally stunned. We didn’t know much at all about ADD. He explained what ADD looks like in an adult male. Word. for. word. what was happening. People are not being told all the truth about ADD because they focus on little kids. Those little kids grow up and if they’re men, there can be issues with anger (maybe women too). There is inability to function well out in the world. My poor husband went through a huge chunk of his life in that maze, never understanding what was happening to him.

              He got diagnosed and they messed around with meds until they got it right. Within a few weeks, he was the person I knew when things were going well. He even got better as time went by. Whatever it actually is, I understand the issues an adult can have. My husband has very little social interaction ability to read people’s body language and sense what is underneath their talking. A genius IQ, but can’t read people. His social skills lack kept him from advancing in the corporate world. He made it pretty high up in the computer industry, but it was because they stuck him off in a room to do research. He misses the cues and it causes problems. He is one of the best, kindest, most faithful human beings I have ever known, but he has to be on those meds or he will fall apart in short order. He only has to take 2 medications, the main one being the advanced form of the amphetamine-type.

              I’ve lived with a parent and other family with the more extreme mental illnesses. It’s not those and it’s not bi-polar. Like so much of what goes on in the brain which causes problems, they just don’t know enough. A doctor once told me the brain is the last frontier of medicine and that they’re still guessing about much of it.

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              • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

                I don’t doubt the existence of ADD or even ADHD. I think where the problem is, once they had that diagnoses, they wanted to put all the children who couldn’t sit still in it. I remember when I was in school over 60 years ago, the children who were that way were mostly were boys. I think it was just that they naturally couldn’t sit still and needed a lot of time to work off that energy. Then, they got this diagnoses and, Whoo Hoo!, they had a way to calm them down. DRUGS!

                When I homeschooled my son, especially in the early elementary years, we changed location to study, sometimes sitting outside on the swing set that had a little deck on top of it. Sometimes as he was reciting something to me, he would be swinging upside down or running around the set. He seemed to learn very well that way. Truth was, I never even considered that he was hyperactive. He was just a normal boy.

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                • Stella's avatar stella says:

                  Absolutely! My daughter said the same thing about my younger grandson, when she was working with him on his reading.

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                  • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

                    As my son got older, he outgrew a lot of that hyperness naturally. Even as an adult, he does like to move a lot. However, he can sit still.

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                • Pam's avatar Pam says:

                  I agree. They really messed it up. It’s shameful and worse than shameful, for all normal kids who were given drugs. Another black eye for the medical profession and scary that schools did this. I don’t know anyone who personally experienced the schools actually being the impetus to put kids on drugs. Obviously it happened, but the extent of it I don’t know.

                  Like Czar and others, I had my stand-offs with school “teams” trying to deal with special ed for my son. He supposedly was bipolar, but they had nothing to do with any initial diagnosis. I sat in those rooms with the high school team of people. I did not have a very high opinion of them. I had to get to the point of veiled threats to make them back down and do what I wanted. They did have that superior, controlling attitude. It didn’t work on me. When you fight back, even politely, the hostility becomes quite obvious.

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            • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

              My son had a little friend who was diagnosed. They had him on Ritalin, but he didn’t like to take it and his mother didn’t like him taking it. I found out some things after I got to know them better. This little boy who was about 7 was a head shorter than my son who was younger, and weighed about 30 lbs less. My son was a big boy. This kid only drank Dr. Pepper and would only eat a hotdog. I asked his mother why she let him do that and she said he won’t eat anything else. Well, I guess not. I would not have given him ANYTHING at all to eat and he would finally have started eating. That was all the parent’s fault IMO. But, you know that had something if not everything, to do with his ADHD.

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            • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

              After all these years, and all those fights I’m still not sure that it isn’t the result of pissy prissy teachers who can’t just teach a kid who is a little more active and different, they just have to have a label to slap on them.

              I can tell you from my own personal experience that if there is a quota of children to pass, they well assign a label to a child that follows them through the rest of the school system so the school district can exempt that child from their reports. That child will be taught nothing else the rest of their time in school.

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              • Pam's avatar Pam says:

                Absolutely. They will cheat, finagle around and do everything so all can pass. They will give them the answers to the tests, practically. Special classes, all sorts of exemptions and different treatment. My son learned what he did from private school and home school. When he went to public high school, that was the end of all that.

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          • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

            Czar, I kinda have a feeling that your mere presence in the room says “I am here to take charge. Anybody want to mess with me?”

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          • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:

            Czar, well done!!! Make’m dance!!!!!!

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    • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

      But I a sure the school teaches “Islam is peace” introductory courses.

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  2. ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

    Just sitting here and waiting
    for the cows to come home.

    Oops. They’re at the beach. 😉

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  3. lovely's avatar lovely says:

    Wait! The new thread is up? What time is it 😮

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  4. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

    There I was, dawdling around on the net trying to find a source of a particular preserved Sichuan vegetable and y’all done just bellied up to the bar without me.

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  5. texan59's avatar texan59 says:

    Been a while, but it’s time to coffee up y’all. 😉

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  6. tessa50's avatar tessa50 says:

    An artist and a song I like. Hope you enjoy. Hope everyone has a great day!

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  7. SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

    Breakfast:

    Coffee:

    Tea for Mary:

    Weird carbo stuff for auscitizenmom:

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  8. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Sunday blessings to all!

    “The eyes of the LORD range throughout the earth, to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to Him.”
    —2 Chronicles 16:9a—

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  9. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ kids!

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  10. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Good morning! About 65 this morning, with mostly clouds, and rain on the way this afternoon. We had rain overnight also, and I won’t complain except to say that the weeds are growing as fast or probably faster than the “wanted” plants!

    “My garden slumbers in the winter, peaceful, quiet, weedfree. It’s tranquil in this setting, no weeds to be seen. But comes the spring with its warmth and flowers delight then the weeds poke out their ugly head, what a nightmarish site. I pull, I scream, they reappear. My husband says “Didn’t we just do this last year, dear?” My endless battle, it seems, I’m doomed not to win.
    Is shooting your weeds considered a sin?”
    – Christine Blanksvard, My Garden Slumbers

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  11. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    I’ll be willing to wager that THIS will be a very interesting read……

    https://s2.netgalley.com/catalog/book/90390

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      I’d be interested in reading it. I doubt that it will sway opinion, though, since previous books/articles (and even FBI investigations) haven’t done it yet. Thinking of Bill being found guilty of perjury and losing his law license, yet his supporters still say it was “all about sex.”

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  12. Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

    A highly recommended read. Entertaining but absolutely over the bullseye.

    If two women get married, which one is getting sexually exploited?

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/03/why-all-the-hippies-morphed-into-campus-fascists/

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  13. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

    A couple of days ago, I watched a movie, The Railway Man. I had my doubts about it when it started because it was a little confusing, and about WWII mistreatment of British prisoners. I am glad I stuck with it though. I missed in the beginning, that it was a true story. I had read back a few years ago about this man and him meeting with his torturer. It is a very good lesson on forgiveness. I highly recommend it.

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  14. doodahdaze's avatar Howie says:

    Sinning, Spinning, Spinning.

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  15. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    I love this. Without realizing it, this guy points out the arrogant progressive education of the last 100 years. He calls it “Western” but it is the quasi-science introduced by socialism.

    Experts: Teen’s ‘Discovery’ of Maya City is a Very Western Mistake
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/05/20160511-Maya-Lost-City-Canadian-Teen-Discover-Constellations-Archaeology-Satellite-Stars-Gadoury/

    “It’s an interesting Western fantasy… we tend to look at these modern star maps and see things in the way we might see patterns in clouds,” says Aveni, who cautions that he can’t “close the door” on Gadoury’s hypothesis until he sees the complete data.

    Estrada adds that it’s also completely possible that Gadoury may have located a Maya settlement by sheer coincidence.

    “I am a firm believer that there are hundreds of Maya sites still to be discovered, and they’re all over the place,” he says. “The chances of putting your finger on one point on the map of the region [and finding a Maya settlement] are very good.”

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  16. doodahdaze's avatar Howie says:

    Watch out for a back door LLC over Cuba!

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  17. shiloh1973's avatar shiloh1973 says:

    I just dumped your neighbor. I do not like BS and falsehoods. Telling me that is humor will not work for me.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      ???

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      I took a look. While the post may not be in the best taste, it says up front that the tweets aren’t real, except for one:

      Listed below are a series of 14 possible tweets from Senator Warren; one of them is real, the others are agitprop. The challenge is to identify the real one.

      I think it was offered simply as humor, with no intent to deceive.

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      • shiloh1973's avatar shiloh1973 says:

        Read the other supposed tweet from Warren. It did not say that it was not her tweet. I do not like untruths. Read the comments on that thread. People were buying it hook, line, and sinker. We get enough untruths from the media, we do not need them from the neighbors.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          I sort of see your point, although it never occurred to me that Elizabeth Warren tweeted out that video, because it isn’t believable.

          I don’t know this, but I think Sundance may have put up the second post to correct those who were actually believing that Senator Warren had anything to do with the tweets. He thought (I believe) that everybody would realize that it was sarcasm, but some people believe anything. The problem is that there are too many “true believers”, who don’t use their “little grey cells” to question what they are reading.

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          • shiloh1973's avatar shiloh1973 says:

            Right, which is why this fabrication should not have been posted. A lot of people here believe everything that is posted is the gospel. They still are in the grasp of the MSM and cannot get out. A post like this one does not help.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              It was a joke gone flat. Like I said, it isn’t believable, which is why I know that it wasn’t an intentional deception, just a question of judgment. Sundance is no more perfect that any of us.

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              • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

                I guess I accepted it was real, but I was totally puzzled. It didn’t make sense.

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                • Pam's avatar Pam says:

                  Re the first post, I eventually saw the “Infowars” on the video so I assumed it wasn’t really hers. But I didn’t see it immediately. I had to look a second time. I thought a mistake had maybe been made in putting the post together. The title was confusing. It did look like the two went together. To me, this is sad. How could one not know that many, many commenters would actually miss any humor and take it as real, not only commenters who might be as Shiloh described, but also others in good faith? My first reaction was not that it was sarcasm/humor. It was “What?! Something’s not right here.”

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                  • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

                    What’s sad on my part is that I had already seen the video on another thread and knew it came from infowars or something. I just couldn’t imagine her sending it out.

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              • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

                GASP! HERESY!

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            • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

              which is why this fabrication should not have been posted.

              Isn’t this the same argument used with guns and everything else? Because many can’t think for themselves, we must think for them and not allow guns, booze, tobacco, jokes, bad words, etc.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          ADD: I think he saw the video, thought it was funny, and decided to share it. Nothing more.

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    • ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

      agitprop

      Learn the word’s meaning.

      political (originally communist) propaganda, especially in art or literature.

      Obviously, you failed the real Sunday Challenge.
      Yes, your choice is correct; unfortunately, you missed the point.

      Quote from the neighbor tree.

      Sunday Challenge – Elizabeth Warren Tweets…

      Posted on June 5, 2016 by sundance

      Here’s a quick optical quiz for those who follow modern cultural politics. Senator Elizabeth Warren sent out a tweet today advocating on behalf of the Democrat position in the 2016 election.

      Listed below are a series of 14 possible tweets from Senator Warren; one of them is real, the others are agitprop. The challenge is to identify the real one. See if you can do it:

      {Note: 14 Options listed.}

      So, of the 14 options, which one do you think is the real Elizabeth Warren Tweet?

      The answer is HERE

      Did you guess correctly?

      {end} Quote from the neighbor tree.

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  18. Pam's avatar Pam says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3625001/Chronic-tardiness-sign-insanity-scientists-claim.html

    Ok now, those who are chronically late may have a form of insanity? A research science writer has even named it: Clips – Chronically Late Insane People(s).

    The back-and-forth from other medical professionals is hilarious.

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    • The Tundra PA's avatar The Tundra PA says:

      Look how many more guns that will allow them to grab.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:

      I must be insane, then. It is my worst fault.

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    • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

      Pretty soon, nearly every “differing” behavior will be labeled a form of insanity. Then we can be totally controlled by the government.

      JMO, but entirely plausible, given who is in charge.

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      • Pam's avatar Pam says:

        It’s almost like “they” are destabilizing us and making us feel nutty, because we have to look at the onslaught and barrage of stuff like this, and in other forms, assaulting us every single day. Then we have to try to figure out what to take seriously or what to dismiss. What may be a sign of future trouble? It’s too much to take it all in and try to analyze it. Like sci-fi movies becoming reality everywhere. There is no “normal” anyway. Every one of us has some quirk, something that deviates from “normal” whatever that it is. Who gets to decide “normal?” Of course there are the obvious, big things. But being late? That in itself is crazy…but is it?… in their thinking? Will someone try to use it? Who knows?

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      • lovely's avatar lovely says:

        That is the goal. When everything is a mental illness nothing is a mental illness which will make everyone incapable of caring for themselves and the State will make us all their wards.

        BTW someone should tell the “research science writer” that insane is a legal term not a medical term. A person who has had a break with reality may be declared psychotic by mental health personnel, a person who had a psychotic break and committed some atrocity may be declared insane by the State.

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    • ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

      In the old days, it
      was known as being
      Fashionably Late. 😉

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  19. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Apologies if this has already been posted–but bears repeating, if it has been.

    This is treason, IMO. An intentional seeding of our country with illegals, in the hopes of influencing/corrupting elections and providing ground troops the likes of which we just saw in San Jose:

    DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads of Illegal Aliens Away from Border

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/06/dhs-quietly-moving-releasing-vanloads-illegal-aliens-away-border/

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  20. Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

    “It is the common tradition of Christianity which has made Europe what it is…. It is in Christianity that our arts have developed; it is in Christianity that the laws of Europe have—until recently— been rooted. It is against a background of Christianity that all our thought has significance. An individual European may not believe that the Christian
    Faith is true, and yet what he says, and makes, and does, will all spring out of his heritage of Christian culture and depend upon that culture for its meaning. Only a Christian culture could have produced a Voltaire or a Nietzsche.”

    T.S. Eliot

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:

      I absolutely believe this. I have read some of the history, how monks preserved ancient writings, how some monks were scientists, and some developed farming techniques and other things. But all that has been written out of history for a long time. Ancient Greece and Rome, pre-Christian, are studied extensively. They did contribute a huge amount, in art and philosophical thought and law. I’m no scholar, but Christianity, spreading out across the lands, seemed to accomplish something in a different way.

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