General Discussion, Monday, May 30, 2016

Posted on May 30, 2016 by Stella

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  1. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
    May 30, 2016 at 12:07 am

    Appropriate image for the day, stella.

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  2. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    May 30, 2016 at 12:20 am

    Rain scheduled for today in DC, 70%. That should give the POtuS an excuse to stay home and pop a 40-ouncer, maybe invite some bros from CAIR over to toast the progress made in establishing the Ummah and perhaps lobby for a cabinet position.

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  3. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
    May 30, 2016 at 12:22 am

    Powerful words:

    Open letter from Germany

    “Never, absolutely never did I think that I would lose all my trust in the State. It’s unbearable that I am afraid of the future…I am–like most Europeans–damned to impotence as I see this invasion happen…”

    Anon. Open letter translated from PI News:

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:
      May 30, 2016 at 11:41 am

      I feel very sorry for this person. But the words “it’s unbearable that I’m afraid…” gave me pause, so I went to look, because it sounded like this woman all of a sudden just got a big jolt and surprise. It sounds like maybe that’s what happened. She says she’s highly educated. She says she was taught critical thinking. But she also says she never paid attention to the government, just went along trusting that they knew what they were doing. She “loved nature”, so she always voted for the Green Party. That was her reason. She never paid attention to what they were doing. Now she hates the Green Party.

      She wants the way it used to be back now. She is depressed and her mind is drowned in a “fog of powerlessness.” She doesn’t want to read in-depth to learn more about the whole thing. The newspaper is bad enough, and she doesn’t even want to see pictures in the paper anymore. “Is that too much to ask?” she laments. A friend of hers left to move to Australia about ten years ago. She “felt sorry for her” because her friend was crazy to leave beautiful Europe. Today, she looks at it very differently.

      I know I would be very afraid. I do feel really bad for her and others there. But, when she tells how smart she is and about her college and her training in critical thinking, then says of her critical thinking “what good is that to me now?”, I wonder what the heck she was doing all those years with her mind and her critical thinking. My guess is she was living in the nice little bubble of her nice little life.

      She can’t leave, she says. There’s nowhere to go, who would take her? I can identify with that, because ten years ago I was trying to figure out where we could go and came to the same conclusion – nowhere.

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  4. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    May 30, 2016 at 12:29 am

    Last duties on a Sunday night at the Czar-Arena, let the cats into the garage to sleep and the toads out of the garage to feed and do whatever adolescent toads do on a late, balmy spring night. I really don’t wanna know.

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    • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
      May 30, 2016 at 12:36 am

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
        May 30, 2016 at 12:47 am

        Tell me about it -we have 30 acres of adolescent frogs doing what adolescent frogs do and talking about it at the tops of their lungs. In the trees we have heaven knows how many types of different tree frogs, peepers and who lnows what other squeaky things and toads in the garden mulch adding their two cents worth. The noise is deafening on a ‘good’ night but still beats the city background noise.

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        • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:
          May 30, 2016 at 1:05 am

          Theme association:

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        • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:
          May 30, 2016 at 3:40 am

          Serious question: Does the noise level drop after mating season? I remember being on campouts with the Boy Scouts and enduring the non-stoop peeping and ribbiting of frogs and toads all night. Not good for sleeping, that’s for sure.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:
            May 30, 2016 at 9:13 am

            I think only winter drops the noise level, so unless mating season lasts from spring until winter I don’t think it makes them more or less noisy. lol

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          • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
            May 30, 2016 at 11:21 am

            It drops a bit, but the rest of it seems to be guy frogs bragging. I do believe they make more frogs all summer long, the spring rush seems to be the noisiest but until the temp drops way low it’s not quiet. We will even get some adventurous frogs/toads come out singing in winter if we get a warmish night.
            It’s noisy but the frogs ain’t alone, we have a chorus of night birds here, none of which sound like sirens, gunshots, boomboxes or 10-thousand watt car stereos. In all, not a bad trade.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:
              May 30, 2016 at 11:44 am

              Birds and crickets and whatever other insects sounding off at night I sort of like. But frogs and toads? Yuck.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                May 30, 2016 at 11:53 am

                Most of tbe amphibians have whistles, tweets or chirps, bull frogs have that croak. Infrequent screech owls are the obes that’ll make your skin crawl. A few years ago we had a mated pair of great horned owls that would sit in trees around the house at sinset and hoot back and forth as they hunted. Made you a bit squeamish as they’d sit in the pines about 50 feet up and you could see them looking at you as if you might be being considered for their pantry.

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                • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
                  May 30, 2016 at 12:17 pm

                  sinset? Sounds kinky. 0_o

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                  • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                    May 30, 2016 at 12:23 pm

                    Yeah, another of Apple’s fav autocompletes that it’s easy to gloss over. Methinks the folks in their autocomplete division need to drop the pocket protectors and get dates.

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                • Pam's avatar Pam says:
                  May 30, 2016 at 12:27 pm

                  I’ve never heard screech owls. I hope I never do.

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                  • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                    May 30, 2016 at 12:46 pm

                    Ones on our property like to sit around the edges looking for rodents our fruit and veggies attract. They’ll wait until one gets out into the lawn area and swoop down, usually they’re well hidden but once in a while you’ll be walking by a tree one’s in a tree by you and lets out a trill that’s unnerving.
                    Worst one’s a barn owl, they have a scream that sounds like they’re being torn apart. That one can definately put a crimp in your night. Been a bit sparse on owls around here the last two years, probably cyclical. We hear some out in the distance but not so close. Then again, there’s a lot of wooded tertitory for miles around so they do have their choices of flops.

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                • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
                  May 30, 2016 at 6:51 pm

                  We have a hawk who hunts around here. And an owl. My husband saw a fox recently too. My favorite is seeing the hawk swoop down through the trees.

                  Once when we came home and got to the top of the driveway a huge flock of turkeys were crossing beside the house and on up into the woods. They made us wait and didn’t seem at all alarmed at the car.

                  We have the frogs in spring and every time we get very heavy rains. This past week we had a pair of frogs on the porch. Might have been toads. Can’t tell the difference.

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                  • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                    May 30, 2016 at 7:31 pm

                    We gots da fullllll komplement uv furry pests. We have foxes and bobcats, wevrarely see ’em but where we’ve deposited the catbox deposits they liberally overwrite the peemail. We have at leadt one hawk who must go to school on the short bus. She has bounced off of the purple martin house twice, run into one of my cypress once and missed snagging a martin she was chasing when the martin did a midair flip and came up behind her – and those are the ones we’ve seen.
                    Owls, our ospreys, that snowbird eagle and our usual compliment of hawks, kites and buzzards sort of round out our list of neighbors. We had a hawk around our house in NOLA butbthry have adapted to and adopted urban areas as pigeons are easy prey and quite tasty…or so I’m told. There was that hawk that nailed the pigeon right in front of me in the Walmart srkng lot…seems everyone goes there for groceries.

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    • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:
      May 30, 2016 at 1:12 am

      Czar, thought the last thing you would do is turn on the “electric fence”! I do, cuts down on the highway trash along the fence line in the morning……..😀😀

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
        May 30, 2016 at 1:18 am

        I rely largely on what nature’s created for fencing. My eastern perimeter’s virtually impenetrable except on foot and even then you’d do well yo navigate it ob foot. Ditto south and west and to north you’d have to swim. Only people here who leave trash are lost tourists or the infrequent turd looking for a place to dump a truck of construction debris. I see less roadside trash on site in a year here than I did in a day in the city.

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  6. ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:
    May 30, 2016 at 1:14 am

    Freedom is not free.

    Never forget the price.

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  7. tessa50's avatar tessa50 says:
    May 30, 2016 at 2:28 am

    Good night all, may God bless us.

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  8. The Tundra PA's avatar The Tundra PA says:
    May 30, 2016 at 2:36 am

    Press conference at Trump Tower, 11:00 am Tuesday. Wonder what that could be about?

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  9. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:
    May 30, 2016 at 7:36 am

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  10. michellc's avatar michellc says:
    May 30, 2016 at 9:25 am

    I see people have their new cause, a gorilla this time. In case you haven’t heard about a boy fell into a gorilla enclosure and the gorilla started dragging the boy around and they shot and killed the gorilla.

    I will agree with these folks on a few issues, the zoo should have made sure there was no way a child could have fell in and the parents should have been watching their child better. These days though we all know a growing number of parents such at their job.
    Once the kid was in danger though, you save the child not the gorilla. I can’t stand the PETA types who always value an animal’s life over a person’s life. For me you have more than a few screws loose to make you think that way.

    Here’s a link to the story:
    https://newsowo.com/article/1563017/people-are-outraged-that-a-zoo-shot-and-killed-a-gorilla-after-a-4-year-old-boy-tumbled-into-its-enclosure

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    • lovely's avatar lovely says:
      May 30, 2016 at 9:43 am

      Someone who was interviewed at the zoo said that the boy was telling his mom that he was going to go in the water, meaning the moat in the gorilla enclosure, the mother told him that he better not. Of course she didn’t pay enough attention to her child to make sure he didn’t actually do it. The boy had to climb over a riser, under wire fencing, across many feet of large bushes and rocks and then over a concrete wall in order to get to the water.

      You can’t idiot proof zoos, I blame the mom 100%.

      I agree that the gorilla had to die, they gave him a chance to come out and he refused while other Gorillas left the structure, that is when they shot him.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:
        May 30, 2016 at 10:42 am

        I get so tired of seeing parents suck at their job. I know kids can get away from you in the blink of an eye, but I can honestly say the hundreds of trips we took with our kids to zoos not one of them ever got away from us at a zoo.

        My daughter went with a friend to the zoo a few weeks ago and she was telling me about these two mothers in front of them who were getting on her last nerve. Their kids kept running wild and getting into places they weren’t supposed to be in and the mothers were too concerned with talking with each other to pay attention to what the kids were doing and when they did pay attention they’d nicely ask the kids to not do that.
        One of them started climbing on the stroller with my grandson in it and she told the kid to get off now and he went crying to his mommy. His mommy told her people to not talk to her kids that way. She told her when your kid is touching what is mine I will tell him to get away, but I shouldn’t have to because you should teach your kid to not touch what is not his, so if you do not want others getting on to your kid, keep him in line.
        She said she doesn’t know if she embarrassed her or ticked her off, but she at least shut up and they decided to go another way so they didn’t have to put up with their annoying kids any longer.

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        • lovely's avatar lovely says:
          May 30, 2016 at 10:44 am

          Folks like the moms of whom you speak have no sense of shame or embarrassment. So likely it just teed her off.

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        • Pam's avatar Pam says:
          May 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm

          We were old adoptive parents of two babies. One is 9 months younger than the other, so I had two infants, two toddlers, almost like twins. Everyone thought they were twins. I got tired of explaining. We went to Disney in Florida. My daughter was walking, my son in the stroller. We were always hyper-aware, always holding their hands and watching, but this time I had let go of her hand at some point. Something happened pushing the stroller. We both had our eyes on the stroller, and in two seconds, my daughter was gone. We were on the street, huge crowds milling around.

          We had just been in one of the big shops, you know…. they are all along and have big open doors so you can wander in and out. We split and started running, calling, looking. I ran through the shop because she liked to hide behind racks of clothes in department stores. The panic and fear is unbelievable. I ran back out to my husband..nothing. I went back in the shop and found a worker, sputtering it all out. I will have to say, those people were trained very well. Instantly, people sprang into action. They were all very calm. The word got passed somehow. I don’t even know how. I guess people in regular clothes materialize everywhere and look. They found her down the street, talking to a gentleman. I think maybe the whole thing was 15 minutes. Time stopped for me so it was a total fog. My heart is racing even telling this thing that happened 20 years ago.

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          • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
            May 30, 2016 at 12:28 pm

            I know it can happen. I had two two year olds, one my son, we were in a park and were crossing a foot bridge that was about 10 feet across. The boys jerked away at the same time and one went one way and the other went the other way. I had to make a split second decision. My son ran to a grassy area with a sparsley traveled dead end street on the other side. The other boy went straight into a parking lot. I had to go after him first. It nearly killed me, but I got him and then ran back after my son. Very scary. Everybody was all right………………… except me who was busy having a heart attack.

            When I was about two, my mother and I were traveling to Panama on a Navy ship. They had outfitted it for children to travel. My mother had a harness on me and a leash which was draped over her arm. She was sitting in a deck chair and the ship started to rock and she looked up to see me balancing on my belly on the top of the rail. I am here to write this because of the leash that she had that kept me from going over.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:
              May 30, 2016 at 12:53 pm

              We were in a phase of traveling because we had a period of time where we had enough money to do it. We decided to go to Israel. We wanted to see where Jesus had lived. We were sort of nutty to take our kids, but we didn’t want to leave them with anyone else that long. Grandparents weren’t an answer for us. They were about 4 I think. My kids were so good on the long flights that people came up to us, thanking us.

              We used those kids’ harness/leash thinks that were in vogue then. Mostly it was for my son. He would do scary things. I only used them for this particular trip. Israel was a culture shock, since we had only gone to Europe.

              An Arab man came up in my face one day on the street, yelling at me that my son was not an animal. He kept yelling. I stayed calm, but it was shocking.

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          • Stella's avatar stella says:
            May 30, 2016 at 12:50 pm

            My older grandson was one who would cut and run just for the fun of it, so his parents used a harness on him when he was 2-3 years old.

            My SIL and I took him to the State Fair, while my daughter was at a wedding shower. He had the harness on, as usual. We were at the exhibit of goats, which were wearing harnesses, and I told him that those animals make the kind of cheese that Grandma likes. A few minutes later he was dancing around and said, “Look Grandma, I’m a cheese animal!”

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          • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
            May 30, 2016 at 9:15 pm

            I had a harness and leash for my GGS when he was small, he had to learn to walk but I know how fast they squirt away. Used to get some dirty looks but I had numerous snappy comebacks, my faborite being ” So why don’t you get your caring ass over here and carry him?”.
            We used to run a ‘lost kid’ rally point on Mardi Gras day. Touristas come here and get so carried away grabing crap out of thevair thatbthey fail to notice their kids being swept away in the undertow of a largely boozed crowd of over a quarter of a million revelers. We’d get kids turned in, find them wandering alone and lost, or just turn themselves in to the nearest cop. We’d have a corral with a dozen officers and kids wouldn’t be released until we had picture ID from the parents and the kids said the claimants were family. Amazing how parents can lose a kid in a crowd, especially a crowd liberally peppered with every pervert imaginable, and take hours to reclaim it.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:
              May 31, 2016 at 9:03 am

              I just never could get the Mardi Gras parades. I had family who begged and begged me for years, until finally I went once. Of course, I had stopped drinking. Maybe that was it. It was sort of gross to me, people all jammed up and all the noise, then someone throws you these cheap necklaces ??

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                May 31, 2016 at 12:46 pm

                We gotbhere just before itvall changed. NOLA was very insular, I met people who’d lived herevall of their lives and had never been across the Mississippi bridge to the other side and Mardi Gras was as neighborhoody. There were area parades, marching clubs, people would stake out an area on the median and have a picnic, it was a very personal holiday.
                In the late 80s it changed. There were always areas downtown where it was set ip for tourists but the majority of it was neighborhood oriented. Wife and I would rush all over town seeing how many parades we could get to in one day, it was fun. Then when the city pols made the move to touristize the city they started encouraging money folks from inside and outside of the city to build huge megaparades, sonebof which were too expensive for locals to belong to. In order to manage the Mardi Gras system in its entirety the city pols started restrictive legislation, forbidding the krewes who put the parades on from having ‘closed’ membership and controlling how the crowds attended the parades. A fewvold line krewes disbanded their parades and each year it became harder for the small local krewes to meet the city’s monetary demands so they either moved to a new city or folded, the huge bucks-down super krewes are killing off the neighborhood tradition for a more money oriented operation.
                Now the city’s happy with Mardi Gras, it’s no longer about that local/neighborhood party, it’s all about percentage of hotel occupancy, numbers of tourists attending And total tourist spending. Locals be damned, if you don’t like the huge drunken international spectacle, tough. There are fewer neighborhood msrching clubs parading from bar to var, too hard to get the permit you now need. Can’t picnic on the neutral ground as they have to havevthat space for the drunken tourists to vomit in. You’re wary of taking your kids as you don’t know what’s going to happen in what were formerly family areas – or you got to Gretna or Metairie where they advertise ‘family friendly’ and arrest violators.
                I worked the parades so I lost interest in attending and Czarina, who was a rabid attendee, lost interest as the theme changed.
                The city has what it wants, a drunken bacchanal money machine, and traditionalists lost a family holiday, butbthat’s what happens…

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
        May 30, 2016 at 10:42 am

        Yes, I would like to see a picture of the barrier around the gorilla enclosure. Your description makes it sound like it was pretty adequate. That child is going to be one of those disruptors in school who cannot do anything he is told to do and keep other children from learning. And, of course, if the darn fools would have quit yelling, maybe the gorilla wouldn’t have pulled the boy away through the water and hidden him like he did. Stupid, ignorant, people.

        Many years ago, there were calls to kill the wolves in an enclosure because a stupid, human, man, jumped over the barriers and got in where they were. He was mauled badly. I don’t remember for sure, but I think he died. They refused to kill the wolves.

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        • lovely's avatar lovely says:
          May 30, 2016 at 10:54 am

          Saturday was first barrier breach at Cincinnati Zoo’s Gorilla World since 1978 opening

          http://www.wlwt.com/news/Saturday-was-first-barrier-breach-at-Cincinnati-Zoo-s-Gorilla-World-since-1978-opening/39787050

          The boy crawled under a railing and through wires and bushes to make it into Gorilla World before falling 15 feet into a moat surrounding the yard. Once there, a 17-year-old male gorilla spotted the boy and approached him.

          This is the only security breach at Gorilla World since it opened in 1978

          38 years without a single numbskull allowing their kid to end up in the moat.

          I’ve also read that the wall of the moat is raised not flush with the ground, I’m out of time as I’m headed out the door but I’ll see if I can find a picture later on.

          My guess is that the mom files a multi million dollar lawsuit.

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          • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
            May 30, 2016 at 11:03 am

            There are two things I could say about this, one is too racist, and the other is, “No way this child did this in a second. His mother had to have ignored him for a length of time for him to get through all that.” I’ll just be he runs wild all the time.

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          • Stella's avatar stella says:
            May 30, 2016 at 12:37 pm

            I think the barriers were put in place to keep the gorillas in, not to keep idiot humans out.

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            • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
              May 30, 2016 at 1:15 pm

              Reminds me of my parents throwing candy into the tiger enclosure and looking the other way while I started climbing. Good memories.

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            • michellc's avatar michellc says:
              May 30, 2016 at 7:24 pm

              That’s what my SIL said, “the zoo did their job and kept the gorilla in.”

              I agree with that, but we have way more idiots running around today then we had 30 years ago. 30 years ago almost every person had enough sense to not get in with wild animals, including 4 year old kids. Today after years of pushing animals have emotions just like people, it has caused people to become stupid. They think they can treat it with kindness and it will react to that kindness and then are shocked when it does what an animal does. Then of course that breeds even more idiots who care more about the life of an animal than the life of a human.
              I’m just glad that the people working at the zoo had a little sense and chose the life of a child over that of an animal and honestly would like to lock the idiots who are complaining about them shooting the animal in a room with a gorilla for 5 minutes.

              Because of this stupidity I think zoos are probably going to have to make enclosures idiot proof to keep the idiots out.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
              May 30, 2016 at 9:21 pm

              Takes me back to one of the Czarina’s fav sayings: ‘You can’t make things foolproof as fools are so damnably persistent.’

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
        May 30, 2016 at 10:45 am

        Also, I just saw a man from the San Diego Zoo on FOX and FRIENDS who said a gorilla that size can crush a coconut in his bare hand easily. That is why he had to be killed.

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        • lovely's avatar lovely says:
          May 30, 2016 at 10:57 am

          Yep. My guess is that they only waited to kill him until they got the other gorillas out as the shot may have sent them on a rampage. The gorilla’s only chance was if he exited the structure immediately when he was given the opportunity to do so with the other gorillas. If he was alone in the structure when the boy “fell in” he should have been shot immediately.

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          • ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:
            May 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm

            Simple solution = tranquilizer gun.

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            • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
              May 30, 2016 at 1:52 pm

              They mentioned that and said that it takes too long to work, maybe 5 minutes.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:
              May 30, 2016 at 2:08 pm

              Apparently, the tranquilizer takes some time to act, and the animal can become agitated.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:
                May 30, 2016 at 7:28 pm

                Exactly and people don’t seem to comprehend that. Twice in my life I’ve seen animals in person have to be tranquilized and it doesn’t work like it does in the movies where they immediately collapse and not only that they freak out when they are first hit. This was on farm animals, imagine trying it with a gorilla that already has a lot of adrenaline due to being agitated.

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                • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
                  May 30, 2016 at 7:34 pm

                  The screaming of the women didn’t help the child’s situation at all.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:
                    May 30, 2016 at 7:43 pm

                    No, but what led to the child getting in with the gorilla or the reaction of the crowd doesn’t change the big picture and what people are having a fit about and that’s the gorilla and the action the zoo took.

                    That child’s life was more important than the life of a gorilla and the zoo found themselves in a situation of choosing the child or the gorilla and they made the absolute right choice to choose the child. I have to seriously question the sanity of anyone who disagrees with that. I think people today though with social media fly off the handle and don’t use what few brain cells they have left in their head. I asked one on FB if it had been their child would they have wanted the zoo to save their child or the gorilla. I was told both and they used the argument of tranquilizing and I asked what if that sent the gorilla in a rage and it snapped your child in half?
                    Their only retort was I didn’t know that would happen and I fired back with if it was my child I would want the animal killed on the spot not waited around to see if it might work.

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            • lovely's avatar lovely says:
              May 30, 2016 at 8:42 pm

              A tranquilizer was not an option. The boy was in an enclosure in the arms of a 400 pound gorilla. The gorilla is strong enough to crush a coconut with his bare hand.

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
      May 30, 2016 at 11:35 am

      Should have known there would be people who agree with me, but they sure aren’t on Facebook. I thought exactly the same thing michellc.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:
        May 30, 2016 at 11:52 am

        I’m seeing people on FB that really surprise me, they’re criticizing the zoo for killing it and not using a tranquilizer. The poor gorilla did not have to die it was “protecting” the child.
        Sometimes I think I’ve stumbled into an alternate universe.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:
        May 30, 2016 at 8:33 pm

        Speaking of FB I just saw that one of our local news channels have a poll on FB asking if the zoo did the right thing in killing the gorilla. The vote right now is 48% for yes and 52% for no. I certainly hope that is not representative of the population of Oklahoma or the country because if it is we have more insane people than I thought.

        These stupid signs Justice for the gorilla, what exactly do these people want? It sure would be nice if these idiots cared as much about all of our men and women who have died over the years making it possible for them to have the freedom to show their ignorance. Doing this on Memorial Day makes it even worse.

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        • lovely's avatar lovely says:
          May 30, 2016 at 8:46 pm

          These stupid signs Justice for the gorilla, what exactly do these people want?

          That was my thought, just exactly how does one go about getting justice for a dead gorilla? Maybe Crump willet involved.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:
            May 30, 2016 at 10:30 pm

            I honestly wonder if the child had died would they have cared?
            Do they want the kid put in foster care? The mother or zookeepers charged with murder? If we had a news media that wanted to do more than just stir the pot, maybe they could ask one of them what they mean by “justice.”

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        • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
          May 30, 2016 at 11:34 pm

          So, as an abstract thought, what would a remake of King Kong be like if it was done with the social justice skew?

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    • Monroe's avatar Monroe says:
      May 30, 2016 at 5:59 pm

      Per Twitter, the so called mother works at a daycare and has been investigated by CPS in the past. But who knows how accurate.

      There is also a change.org petition wanting the mother to be held responsible for failing to supervise her child.

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      • Stella's avatar stella says:
        May 30, 2016 at 6:04 pm

        This social media “ganging up” on a perfect stranger is too much. If the authorities decide to do something, that is their business.

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        • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:
          May 30, 2016 at 7:00 pm

          Agreed. Too many virtual mobs these days. People read an article or even one person’s rant on Facebook and suddenly they are experts demanding justice.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:
            May 30, 2016 at 7:35 pm

            Although I’m very critical towards parents these days and believe this Mother should have watched her child better, trying to destroy people for a mistake pisses me off. I would hope she learned a very valuable lesson. Let the law decide if she should be charged with a crime.

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
        May 30, 2016 at 6:04 pm

        If I had a child in a daycare, I would certainly want to know if that was true and that she wasn’t in my child’s daycare.

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
      May 30, 2016 at 9:25 pm

      Okay, okay, I have a new twist on the situation. LOL

      “Gorilla Killed to Protect Boy Because ‘White Privilege’
      Not an Onion Headline”
      http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gorilla-killed-protect-boy-because-white-privilege

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  11. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
    May 30, 2016 at 11:14 am

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| ( and Czarina 🙂 🍸 )
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ctdar! 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! ⭐ 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra and F.D.R. in Hell! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Pastries for coffee!

    ⭐ = Unprintable phallic symbol

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    • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:
      May 30, 2016 at 11:30 am

      A real pity the bacon and eggs is stuck in the back of the first photo, especially since the pancakes are all wrong: they should be slathered in butter and real maple syrup.

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    • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:
      May 30, 2016 at 11:30 am

      I just love that second photo. Just copied it to my desktop. Mmmmmm.

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
      May 30, 2016 at 11:31 am

      Yum. Looks good! Mornin’ Nyet, everyone.

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:
      May 30, 2016 at 12:36 pm

      I’ll take two pieces of bacon and one egg, thank you. My stomach has become minimalist. A little grits would be nice…….

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      • Pam's avatar Pam says:
        May 30, 2016 at 3:27 pm

        Yay! About half an hour ago, my husband came in and said “are you finally ready to eat?”, then gave me his limited list of what he can cook. I’m not complaining. I was brought up in the South, with a grandma and mom and aunts who could COOK! I learned most of it and I cooked. I was spoiled.

        Here’s what I got: 2 pieces of bacon, one egg over medium, and instant grits. Here’s how my grandma taught me to eat it. I thought everyone did this. Crumble up the bacon into the grits, cut up the egg into the grits. Smush it around a bit, and eat. (no sugar in grits, just salt)

        ZM – my grandma cooked using bacon fat, which she drained into a mason jar and left on top of the stove. I could never get everything to taste as good as she did. She had a gift.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:
          May 30, 2016 at 3:29 pm

          I still use bacon grease sometimes.

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          • Pam's avatar Pam says:
            May 30, 2016 at 3:39 pm

            If you know what you’re doing, it sure does make food taste good. My grandma was crippled for decades with rheumatoid arthritis. She kept cooking, with permanently crooked claws for fingers, and took massive amounts of Excedrin, which was the only thing they knew to do back then. She lived to be 86, no high cholesterol, no heart issues, no strokes. Her body just gave out.

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        • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
          May 30, 2016 at 4:12 pm

          My mom did the same thing. We always had a can of bacon grease on the stove. We used it to cook cornbread. And, she flavored vegetables with it, especially green beans.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:
            May 30, 2016 at 4:41 pm

            I still keep and use bacon grease, but I store mine in the fridge. I keep a metal jar next to the stove and when it cools it gets poured into the mason jar.

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            • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
              May 30, 2016 at 4:46 pm

              Yes, it wasn’t healthy to store it on the stove. Mama used to share ours with a lady who was a maid where my mom worked. They were very poor. She was so upset when she heard that it was bad to store and use the bacon grease like that. She was trying to help and it made her feel bad that maybe she was hurting them instead. Of course, we were using it, too.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:
                May 30, 2016 at 4:49 pm

                My mom always stored it on the stove and I did myself for years until I got a spoonful one day that had went bad. That’s the only reason I started storing it in the fridge.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:
              May 30, 2016 at 4:53 pm

              I keep mine in the fridge too.

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    • lovely's avatar lovely says:
      May 30, 2016 at 8:50 pm

      Good evening Nyet 🙂

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  12. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
    May 30, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    Stella, I saw a British show, As Time Goes By, that had a character who was supposed to be an American filmmaker in it. He had a weird accent that I had never come across before. Just last night, I watched a Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries, and there were two American filmmakers in it and they both had that same kind of accent. I looked all three actors up and they are all British. Evidently this is the “American” accent they teach in the British acting schools. LOL Of course, they probably feel the same way about our actor’s British accents.

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    • Stella's avatar stella says:
      May 30, 2016 at 2:07 pm

      I love As Time Goes By, and I still watch all the reruns on PBS even though I’ve seen them all already! It’s a silly, but funny, comedy. I remember the episodes about the tv movie.

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
        May 30, 2016 at 2:32 pm

        I think I am on about my 4th watching of the series. I love that show and Are You Being Served. But, I watched that so many times with my parents that I pretty much wore it out.

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:
      May 30, 2016 at 4:43 pm

      Is Miss Fisher the Australian one? If so, I’ve watched some of those. I will have to look into both of these, since I love some of those British shows. I was reading something last night about King David. There was a reference to a Sherlock Holmes story, which was based on King David, Bathsheba and Uriah. It was called The Adventure of the Crooked Man.

      I went looking and found it was from one season of a British series: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, from 1985. It won awards and it was said this series stuck the closest to the author’s original stories. You can buy the series, and they have it on Amazon Videos but you have to pay, of course (no Amazon Prime). We paid $1.99 for the SD version and watched that one. It was very good. At the end, Sherlock is talking to Watson and he says how he figured out why the wife in the story kept saying “David” while she was in a collapsed state. No one was named David in her life. So Watson picks up the Bible sitting right there and turns to the story. I thought: boy they wouldn’t do that today.

      Another fabulous one is The Midwife series. It’s on Netflix. It is beautifully done. You will laugh and cry.

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  13. Pam's avatar Pam says:
    May 30, 2016 at 2:01 pm

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-gives-awards-richard-gere-george-clooney-salma-070244030.html

    Maybe I shouldn’t go here. Every time I see a headline like this one today, I cringe and don’t want to look. But I looked.

    I feel pain and embarrassment for the institutional Church and much more importantly, for the Lord. It is way too hard to explain to someone who isn’t Catholic (qualify: faithful Catholic, faithful to the traditional Church.) The Pope is a man. He is not an incarnation of Jesus. But he is also not just a man. He is the office, and I can’t kick him around and say awful things. Some do, but I have a huge check in my mind and my soul to not get into that attitude. I have to pray for him and for the Church, so I do.

    This whole thing looks and feels bad in ways that are not to be understood by reading mainstream media. God is allowing all this, so there is a purpose for it that we can’t comprehend. No one really knows why, but eventually you have to end up with just knowing you don’t know, because there is no human mental way to explain it all. People on the outside looking in think they can explain it. I can understand their thinking, but it’s not the whole, full truth.

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  14. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
    May 30, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    For those of you who have already, are now, or are planning to homeschool, I saw Lt. Col. Oliver North on Outnumbered, and he said 14 of his 17 grandchildren are being homeschooled. I thought that was interesting.

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  15. Stella's avatar stella says:
    May 30, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    Just seen on FB; sharing for the heck of it. I love stuff like this:

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
      May 30, 2016 at 4:15 pm

      That was so cool. 🙂

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    • michellc's avatar michellc says:
      May 30, 2016 at 4:47 pm

      We only use the small square bales for goats and horses when we had them and round bales for the cows, but for the small bales we still haul them the old fashioned way.

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    • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:
      May 30, 2016 at 11:22 pm

      I loaded/unloaded a couple of truck loads of bailed hay as a teenager.

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
        May 30, 2016 at 11:29 pm

        My ex and our 15 year old son rushed over to help a neighbor load a truck with the bails of hay from their field because a very hard rainstorm was coming up. The wife was throwing the bales on as fast as she could. My two guys started helping and, even though they both are very strong, could not keep up with her. She seemed to do it effortlessly. Of course, she was used to loading it. It nearly killed both of them. LOL

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  16. Stella's avatar stella says:
    May 30, 2016 at 4:05 pm

    Trump’s map of the United States of America

    Ten of the 15 states Trump listed went to Obama in 2012. They represent 204 of the 332 Electoral College votes he won.

    Obama took New York by 28 points, California by 23, Maine by 20, Michigan by 9, Wisconsin by 7, Minnesota by 7, New Hampshire by 5, Pennsylvania by 5, Virginia by 4, Ohio by 3, and Florida by 1. Thus, seven are closer than the 14-gap Bush closed to win West Virginia in 2000. If Trump keeps Romney’s states and flips those seven, he will beat Clinton or Sanders 332-216.

    If he wins like that, Trump also will have completed Barack Obama’s destruction of the Democratic Party. Obama did it at the state level. Trump will do it nationally.

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/05/trumps-map-of-united-states-of-america.html?spref=tw

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  17. doodahdaze's avatar Howie says:
    May 30, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    Great weekend. Spent hiding from the mobs and clearing a 1/4 acre. Built a cool fire pit oit of limestone rock I found.. Put down a pallet and rocked around it the burning. Sweet.
    Hooray for America!

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  18. Pam's avatar Pam says:
    May 30, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Good night, my fellow rascals. For those who believe in guardian angels, may they watch over us tonight and keep us straight tomorrow. No nightmares allowed…just sweet dreams.

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  19. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
    May 31, 2016 at 12:08 am

    Final tallies are in for the Memorial Day weekend in New Orleans and we had 21 armed robberies, total includes car jackings. Prior to Friday the city cheering section was bragging that we were almost 24 armed robberies behind last year’s total only to have the innercity thugs step up and prove they still had what it takes.
    New strategy, aimed at newbies and locals with their heads in the sand, is to treat all of these daily crime sprees as new, unconnected and without history. Those decades of pre-Katrina innercity violence that caused a mass flight of those who could to safer next-door Jefferson Parish or to the cities on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain are never referred to, they are ancient and unrelated history. Ask the people who moved and built the bedroom communities on the north shore of the lake and they’ll tell you why they moved, as will those the booming population centers in Jefferson Parish. Apologists say it was due to the integration of the school system in New Orleans, trying to make it sound as if all of the Klan and Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy up and unassed the city rather than put their Arian spawn in the same schools as the Mud People. Reason why I sent my kids out of state to go to school with my ex was to make sure they wouldn’t be shot for their shoes, jackets, lunch money or just for the hell of it. Folks conveniently forget the numbers of school shootings here in the 80s and 90s, it was almost a weekly occurance. I still remember the black student who crawled through a hole in the school’s ‘security’ fence and hosed down an assembly in the gym with his AK. But Oh, that was not an every day occurance, we were told, the chances of your child getting hosed down in school by a thug aren’t all that steep.
    The times we were sent to the schools to be armed guards and prevent the students from shooting teachers or other students…but hey, that was only until the school police could be trained and metal detectors installed.
    Here we are some nearly 40 years later and the pols STILL won’t speak the name of crime in the city. Politics and PC are still king though if you ask anyone who’s not a politician or an apologist what the problem is thry’ll tell you. The city brags about the increased housing values biut thosecare in cherrypicked areas, in my old neighborhood the values are still about what we paid in 1980. Why…crime.
    My daughter-in-law has a medical appointment at a specialist in NOLA sometime in mid-June. She’ll be 8 months pregnant bybthen and I won’t let her go in alone and I don’t even feel comfortable with her going in with hubby. I’ll take her and have a friend in LEA meet me ‘for lunch’ as the specialist’s office is too near a less savory area. It’s down to that folks, govenment won’t assist you as to do so might offend protected classes, you’re on your own. Wonder when Guiness will start a record class for urban crime?

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:
      May 31, 2016 at 9:49 am

      Czar, this is one reason I sit here sometimes with my head whirling, because I just don’t see how electing one man president is going to be able to change everything like this. Yes, I can understand things going down the line, coming from the top….maybe eventually. I can also see riots going on everywhere if people try to change things at the local levels. Are we actually going to have some sort of “war” going on, because it has really become this bad?

      I lived in a nice neighborhood in Northern VA. We picked it because we thought it would be safer, but no…years before they had put in those federal housing apartments, spread all around except where multi-millionaires were able to have their gated communities. Surprisingly, there weren’t that many of those. I guess those people went further west to Loudoun County.

      So about 4 long blocks from us was an elementary school but across the street from the school was a big apartment complex with MS-13 types and others. A young woman was raped standing at the bus stop near the school. Some thug knifed and killed some other thug at the end of the main street right off our street. I would see stupid young moms, walking their little kids alone to and from school, apparently clueless because we had no local tv station and no one reported our crime. You had to search for it.

      You just never knew, no matter where you went, if something would happen. But people thronged in, even tourist buses, to go to our famed shopping area. We had a good little police force in our community. I unfortunately got to know some of them in the wrong way. I always got the feeling that they just couldn’t keep up with it all, so they had to concentrate on a few things. Our town was an unincorporated city, so it was small. Before I left, we had a string of 5 bank robberies in 10 days. Reason? The metro had extended the line and had put a stop right near the main part of town.

      Middle schools and high schools near us, even though they did have good security and strict rules, would have lock-downs several times a year.

      We don’t have enough prisons now. But I heard Mr. T say something about putting all the bad guys in jail. You can’t just get rid of every single bad judge and prosecutor, every rotten city government.

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
        May 31, 2016 at 11:56 am

        Our police force was a walking disaster area, it was shot through with less-than-honest cops, more than a few of whom were involved in the drug trade. Pay was so bad that many would work a paid outside detail while they were on their regular clock. We have, still, ex-officers on death row for murder and a slug of others in prison for various crimes. Things have become better but we’re still way below the minimum number of officers we need on the street and the pols have gobe from saying the numbers will be there ‘soon’ to saying it will take years.
        When the oil and ship building industries crashed here in the 80s the city pols made the choice to make NOLA a tourist mecca rather than develop a businees or industrial base. Many feel they did so because the businessmen in the oil and shipping businesses were a political threat to them. When the city refused to deal with the industries demands for less crime and better schools the businessmen moved their businesses out to other states and hurt the city’s economy, the city didn’t want that to happen again. A tourist industry would not create powerful businesses that could shake the local pols’ fruit trees and they could leave the schools in a crappy state as setvice jobs don’t need educated workers. Now we’re nose deep in tourist stuff, we have a limited tech base and a huge black dropout rate, any guesses as to where this will lead?
        The city has a large pool of poorly educated, unskilled, young black males and females. The school admin folks tout the increased black graduation rate but the city’s dropout rate is still one of the nation’s worst. Again, why bother going through high school and graduating when you have a minimum wage job to look forward too, if that much? There’s also that alluring ‘thug life’ ethos that beckons. So what if you go to prison, it’s a right of passage on your community, a badge of honor and you get three hots and a cot for free. That’s if you even get to court as an ungodly number of charges against young black thugs just get dropped.
        One of the big reasons I live out here and just rent out our house in the city.

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        • Pam's avatar Pam says:
          May 31, 2016 at 1:35 pm

          I’m sure moving away was one of the best decisions you ever made. I have some family (brother) and the woman he’s been with for years, who live north of NOLA not far into Mississippi. They’ve told me horror stories. My brother’s semi-wife is like you. She has a sick sister who has to go into New Orleans to a research hospital, and she won’t let her sister go alone.

          Lol, my brother, a math whiz who spent a million years getting degrees in college, head buried in indecipherable math tomes, now has an arsenal and is all into prepping. They’re renting, getting ready to go further out into the country and try to buy a few acres. Their house is so stockpiled with food and various stuff that you can hardly walk through it apparently. I say “whatcha gonna do when the horde of zombies runs right over you two out there by yourselves?” I’m not really dissing them though. They’re trying.

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          • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
            May 31, 2016 at 1:57 pm

            Considering the geography they probably ain’t far from me. Lotsa Nola expats up here and glad to be outta the city.
            As luck turned out our farm is easily defensible, all we gotta do is drop a couple of trees across the T-intersection and no wheeled in or out. There are hard to negotiate on-foot barriers and no Nazi neighborhood owners committee complaining because we haven’t trimmed our bushes or our rooster kicked the crap out of their chihuahua.
            The prepping here’s a fear of the ‘zombies’ that could be unleashed by a societal breakdown but also a fear of the zombies that resulted from the Katrina societal breakdown. That event had paranoid pessimists going around bragging about their predictions for years.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:
              May 31, 2016 at 4:44 pm

              There are a ton of predictions. My husband has been into research – this time it’s what to do if the sun goes funky, or there’s a big EMP. I know he’s trying to figure out how to prepare. I used to read about it all. My conclusion, based on our ages and my physical condition, that we don’t have a big family or close community friends….there’s no way we could prepare for even the short list of possible events. Yes, we could store some food, which we have some not much. We could have some protection devices. But for a long haul, or hordes of zombies? First of all, to do these lists they have takes unbelievable $$, then how much time to build things or do things to your land and your house. Meds, canning and preserving, solar, water, homemade ovens, on and on and on. I just can’t see us being fully prepared for anything longer than a few weeks.

              My brother has been on for years about going on one of those camping trips the groups do — go in the woods and survive for a week. He can’t quite get to it, and his partner says “I’m not going out there with all those bugs and bacteria!” There’s no way on God’s green earth I could go out and do that. Years ago I could, not now. So…

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              • Pam's avatar Pam says:
                May 31, 2016 at 5:03 pm

                Here’s our best protection. One road away from the highway, long and climbing up to near top of hill, and we’re at the end of the road. The community water tank is on our property. National Forest all around us. Yes, they could come through the woods, but we wouldn’t be their first and easiest choice. There’s no access trail nearby. Have some neighbors from the last intersection up to our house, but mostly they’re not here full-time. Some of the neighbors would be good to be with. We could probably barricade across that last intersection.

                From our front porch, highest up, we see straight down the road. I visualize flame-throwers, lol! Can you see me doing that?

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                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                  May 31, 2016 at 11:06 pm

                  A lot like us. One farm is all but abandoned, another belongs to a weekender, two neighbors are oldervthan we are and that’s about it. We thought about the probability that at sone point the zombies might lurch out into the wild where we are versus the fact that we lived amongst the zombies in the city. We carry firearms as a tool, two legged or four legged varmints prowl and having them close by is like having the tractor close by during plantingbseason, just a tool.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:
                May 31, 2016 at 10:58 pm

                I used to get paid to go live out in the woods, now I can do it for fun. Being those eight miles from the closest gas station we tend to hoard, but that next Katrina is what drives us.
                I like to garden as it keeps me from falling spart all at once and my wife complains but she’s in better shape than her peers. I also can as I like the flavor of what I put up out of the garden more than what I buy in thevstore. The ability to sit in the garden with a fresh lemon, a small bottle of olive oil, and some salt and pig out right off the vine cannot be overstated.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:
              May 31, 2016 at 4:45 pm

              They’re probably close, not far from Picayune.

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  20. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:
    May 31, 2016 at 12:31 am

    Well, my BIL who lives way out in the open area of Canada says that if you think you need a gun you need to move to a safer location. So, there. Problem solved.

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