General Discussion, Thursday, February 11, 2016

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  1. Monroe's avatar Monroe says:

    first?

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  2. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    An intriguing photo, stella. I like the top third, especially.

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  3. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    For Ash Wednesday (which it still is, here)–from Psalm 51:

    1 Have mercy on me, O God, according to thy steadfast love;
    according to thy abundant mercy blot out my transgressions.
    2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
    and cleanse me from my sin!
    3 For I know my transgressions,
    and my sin is ever before me.
    4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned,
    and done that which is evil in thy sight,
    so that thou art justified in thy sentence
    and blameless in thy judgment.
    5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
    and in sin did my mother conceive me.
    6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward being;
    therefore teach me wisdom in my secret heart.
    7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
    wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
    8 Fill me with joy and gladness;
    let the bones which thou hast broken rejoice.
    9 Hide thy face from my sins,
    and blot out all my iniquities.
    10 Create in me a clean heart, O God,
    and put a new and right spirit within me.
    11 Cast me not away from thy presence,
    and take not thy holy Spirit from me.
    12 Restore to me the joy of thy salvation,
    and uphold me with a willing spirit.
    13 Then I will teach transgressors thy ways,
    and sinners will return to thee.
    14 Deliver me from death, O God,
    thou God of my salvation,
    and my tongue will sing aloud of thy deliverance.
    15 O Lord, open thou my lips,
    and my mouth shall show forth thy praise.
    16 For thou hast no delight in sacrifice;
    were I to give a burnt offering, thou wouldst not be pleased.
    17 The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit;
    a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise…

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  4. lovely's avatar lovely says:

    David Fry is off his rocker.

    http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-militant-website-creator-david-fry-im-not-isis/

    https://youtu.be/gV4nTZmAY90

    Just read that the four are planning on turning themselves in tomorrow at 8 AM PST

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/11/oregon-standoff-escalates-fbi-armed-occupants-malheur-wildlife-refuge-live

    Sean Anderson, one of the four, said the decision was not a surrender:

    We are not surrendering, we’re turning ourselves in …
    It goes against everything we believe in but we’re going to do it.

    Stella would you prefer the Oregon MWR information be put on the original thread rather than in the daily thread?

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    • michellc's avatar michellc says:

      I was listening to them last night and they’ve went a little nuts, but they did agree to turn themselves in as long as they allow Franklin Graham and Michele Fiore to be there.

      Cliven Bundy was arrested, I just posted it in MWR thread.

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  5. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Blessings to all, this Thursday (from Wednesday night…)

    I had the privilege of attending two Ash Wednesday services. Poles apart in many ways, but both moving.

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

      May you have a good Lent Mary, leading ever closer to Christ.

      It seems that more churches are choosing to have Ash Wednesday services, and I think that is a good thing. I would never really be able to appreciate Easter as profoundly as I do without the Lenten journey the Church takes me on.

      I love the liturgical seasons, and the direction they give us, the guidance and formation they bring to our spiritual lives. Without them I would just be walking in place.

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  6. lovely's avatar lovely says:

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/11/oregon-standoff-escalates-fbi-armed-occupants-malheur-wildlife-refuge-live

    06:15 As the four occupiers decided to turn in for the night – ahead of their scheduled meeting on Thursday morning in which the turning-in will be to the FBI – live stream host Gavin Seim played them a song by Victoria Sharp.

    I’ve listened toe some of the phone call and the 4 believe they have a deal with the FBI but I don’t know that the FBI has agreed to this plan.

    *****

    Meanwhile the Bundy Ranch FaceBook page is calling people to arms and has stated that Cliven is headed to the MWR.

    From the Bundy Ranch FB page;

    WAKE UP AMERICA!
    WAKE UP WE THE PEOPLE!
    WAKE UP PATRIOTS!
    WAKE UP MILITA!
    IT’S TIME!!!!!

    CLIVEN BUNDY IS HEADING TO THE HARNEY COUNTY RESOURCE CENTER IN BURNS OREGON.

    SMH

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  7. lovely's avatar lovely says:

    Cliven Bundy was taken into federal custody on the evening of Wednesday, February 10, 2016, in Portland.

    Further information on the charges is expected to be available on Thursday morning.

    Four remaining occupiers of the Malheur wildlife refuge in Burns, Oregon, say they will turn themselves in to the FBI at 8am PST Thursday.

    But doubts have been raised over the apparent agreement after Cliven Bundy – a figurehead for the militia and the father of two former Oregon occupiers now in jail – was himself arrested on the way to the scene of the refuge.

    The reported surrender deal came after FBI agents surrounded the refuge on Wednesday night, 40 days after armed militia members took control of the property.

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  8. Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

    Coffee is served. Grab your cups. Good morning.

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  9. Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

    Hot tea waiting on you Mary. Hope your day is peaceful.

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  10. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ sportsfans!

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  11. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! 😎 :developer:
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! 😛 😀
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 🍸
    Mornin’ Ad rem! 🐱
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 🙂
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂
    Mornin’ texan59! O_o |_|
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 😐 🌯
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014 🙂
    Mornin’ ctdar 🙂
    Mornin’ tessa50 🙂
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda 🙂
    Mornin’ varsityward 🙂
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 🐻
    Mornin’ taqiyyologist! 🙂
    Mornin’ Howie! 🙂
    Mornin’ Sha 🙂
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂
    Mornin’ michellc! ⭐
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! ⭐
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂
    Mornin’ Les 🙂
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂
    Mornin’ derk (“Stellars”) 🙂
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂
    Mornin’ complainers! 😐
    Mornin’ whiners! 😐
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Breakfast!

    Cinnamon rolls for coffee!

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  12. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

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  13. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Listing to Glenn Beck this morning…… AARRRGRRGRGRGRGRG!!!!! I’m think sitting is silence would be better than listing to him equate voting for Trump is angry revenge. I wanted to hear Milton Freedman this morning, but I don’t think I’ll make it.

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    • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

      I guess I can’t type and listen at the same time, while screaming.

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    • WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

      You torture yourself with him every morning. That HAS to qualify as some sort of self-flagellation…… STOP IT!!!! 🙂

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    • lovely's avatar lovely says:

      I listened to our local chucklehead this morning, it went something like this; Jay Weber was bemoaning the fact that the GOP did not stop the “fraudulent” Trump when they had the chance. Weber may have been crying, I mean the guy was really despondent. Then he moved on to a little bit of righteous anger and said he can’t wait until Trump is elected and all his “idiot” supporters find out that that Trump is a closet liberal and will run the government as such.

      Cruz is our only hope 😦 according to Weber 🙄

      Jay Weber said this all in less than 4 minutes. I turned him off.

      I almost called in just to say, thank you for making Trump’s case, you are right the GOP is incompetent and hasn’t stopped a single thing that Obama wanted to implement so why the hell do you think if we put another GOP candidate in the next 4 years will be any different than the last 8 years?

      I did call in once and he hung up on me 😀

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  14. michellc's avatar michellc says:

    I’m tired of winter and all the brown, so here’s a scene Oklahoma and Arkansas share on the Talimena Drive.

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  15. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Good afternoon everybody. I was awake all night, so I slept all morning. Now my day is totally messed up!

    I moved up the Malheur Wildlife thread, so it is easier to find, and reposted an updated version of the “Sagebrush Rebellion” post. Lots of good info there too. It seems to me that we need some big-time political leadership on this issue – particularly, a new President who can at least not hinder, and perhaps help, the situation.

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  16. The Tundra PA's avatar The Tundra PA says:

    Good morning all! Great breakfast, nyet, you’re just the best.

    Here is your sled dog update for the day. The Yukon Quest is going into the mid-point hiatus. There is a mandatory 36 hour rest at Dawson, approximately mile 513. The first 7 mushers are there, and Allen was 2nd or 3rd getting in. The rest of the teams (there are 22 teams actively racing after 1 team scratched) are about 30 miles behind. Aliy and Allen’s blog has a good video of Allen’s arrival in Dawson here:

    http://spkenneldoglog.blogspot.com/

    That’s Aliy in the red and black parka, driving the dogs off to their camping spot. It’s important to understand that the only controls a musher has over the team is vocal (in terms of turning) and the ice brake (in terms of stopping). Mostly vocal. A musher is physically capable of forcing a team to stop using the brake if there are only 5 or so dogs in harness; with 14 dogs in harness, the musher depends on the team stopping when you holler “Whoa!”. In the first video, you hear Aliy calling “Haw! Haw!” (go left), and they do.

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  17. Stella, your open thread pictures are getting better each day. Astounding, lately.

    When did you open up shop? 4 months ago?

    I think you’re at half a “coffee table book”, so far.

    Another couple of months, publish a book of them, with quotes from their threads.

    Make money.

    Sure, you’ll have to contact the photographers or their people. That’s what a publishing company is for. They have people who are your people, who call their people, and say “Stella can make a nice book with our clients’ photos.”

    Add in select of Stellar comments under each, and cool literary quotes, and it’s GOLD.

    I think curation is good and necessary, lately. Instinct, I suppose.

    Bury these threads, in lead-lined boxes, inside reinforced concrete cubes, on thumb drives.

    Someday it will be found, when what passes for civilization eventually finds it, and they will see a thousand facets of the height of our civilization.

    Beauty in pictures, in videos, in music.

    Is this better than FB? I don’t know. I’ve never used it.

    Never snorted anything, either. Amazingly true.

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    • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

      This is more like C.B.

      Just driving up I 196. Thanks for your prayers, folks. Rubber Duckie out.

      It really is like that.

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    • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

      Someday, perhaps a hundred years hence, people will see Nyet’s breakfast pics.

      They will be in awe. Nyet’s breakfasts will spawn a cargo cult.

      Our great-grandchildren. They will be looking at those pics. After that thumb-drive is found, embedded purposefully, for the purpose of curation, into a cube of concrete.

      Bacon will be en vogue in 200 years. Because of us people.

      As we curate. It’s all up to future archaeologists, at this point. Find what we buried.

      We buried Bobby McFerrin concerts. And centuries of other beautiful art.

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      • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

        Remember when “Time Capsules” were the thing?

        https://vimeo.com/50941741

        Ahh, Michigan.

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      • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

        I only liked my own comment because that is the best animated short ever made.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        Some days I wonder if 30 years from now if we’ll have no meat or dairy, it will all be soy based crap, sounds so yummy soy burgers, soy dogs, soy milk, soybean coffee.

        People are too far removed from their food and far too many who think they want “homesteads” truly only want pets. Pet chickens, pet cows, pet goats, pet sheep, pet ducks, pet turkeys.

        I saw someone on a FB group selling pheasants for meat, one price if they dressed them another price if you dressed them. They actually had people who joined a darn farm classified group asking what dressed meant and some asking if they had to kill them to dress them.
        Then someone was looking for baby goats and I made the mistake of telling them we should have some this spring and summer. The dunce said they just wanted pets, okay whatever that happens all the time, but then they asked if I sold them for meat. I told them that when we sell a goat it becomes the property of the buyer and they can eat it, breed it or turn it into a pet. So they asked if I tell people they aren’t food and I told them no and have sold many that were going to be food. Then the dunce wanted to know how I could sell my babies knowing they would be ate. I told them they weren’t my babies, they are goats, an animal that many people enjoy eating and it bothers me no more than selling a chicken to someone who wants to eat it or a steer or a pig, God put them here to feed us.
        Duncehead thought I was cruel and she could never eat meat because they have faces, hearts and souls and feelings. She didn’t like my reply that I don’t eat their face or soul, except for jowls that is.

        These people are going to force us to eat tofu if they get their way. These are the people who will never give a crap about ranchers lives being destroyed. I’ve been told for years we have to reach these people and teach them, heck it would be easier teaching a potted plant.

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        • lovely's avatar lovely says:

          I don’t eat their face or soul

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        • WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

          I’ve said all my adult life that kids should at least be taught to plant food crops, just to know how that “works.” It should be required in these communist schools, after all. 🙄

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:

            I agree Wee, when my kids went to school we taught all of their friends who came over about planting and harvesting and we taught them about animals. Those that didn’t know, which many of their friends were farm kids who already knew.

            For years we had kids from area schools that we would allow to come out on field trips and we’d try to teach them as well.
            We can’t do that anymore though because according to the schools the feds cracked down on it. I’ve never been given a good explanation as to why.
            So then we started inviting kids from Church, but last year through the grapevines we started hearing that if a kid was to get sick then the feds could come down on us for running a non-licensed petting zoo. (Like we have a darn petting zoo)

            So now we only allow friends and family children that we trust, because heaven forbid some kid catch salmonella from touching an animal.

            I think every school should have to have a garden that the kids do all the work and they should have to raise a hog and a calf every year and then all the food go to feeding the little snowflakes at school.

            I would donate one of each to a local school every year and would even pay for their feed, but the only one I approached about it said they didn’t think they would be allowed to do that for a multitude of reasons; fear of lawsuits and lost money from the feds to just name a few stated to us.

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            • WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

              Well. Maybe THAT explains what happened to FFA and 4H and Home Ec classes. I DID wonder….

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                FFA and 4H tick me off anymore, they don’t have to have a project anymore, so a lot of kids join FFA so they can take the ag class for an easy grade.
                The ag teachers don’t teach crap anymore and then the kids don’t do crap, including many of those with a project. Their parents do it all and the little snowflake shows up in time to enter the show ring with their animal or shows up to have their picture taken with the veggie, fruit or flower that grandma or grandpa grew or with the dress, quilt, apron, pie, or cake that either mommy or grandma made. You get the picture.

                Thank goodness though there are still a few farm kids around these parts who have parents who teach them hard work and that their prize steer or prize barrow is going to become food. The rest of the parents cry and whine because the poor little animals that mommy and daddy raised have to be loaded up on a slaughter truck.

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          • Stella's avatar stella says:

            That is something that anybody can do – even in an apartment, if they have a patio or balcony. My grandkids help their parents in the garden each year. They have vegetables in beds along the fence in their back yard, and raspberry bushes along the side of their concrete parking area on the alley. The lot is small, but they grow tomatoes, broccoli, peppers and, of course, lots of fresh herbs. My daughter also is on the board of their local farmers’ market, and the kids participate there too.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          I’ll never forget the woman who was trying to put her CAT on a vegan diet. Idiots abound.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          I know I’ve said this before, but …. how can anyone keep chickens as pets? I mean, they’re pretty stupid.

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        • texan59's avatar texan59 says:

          Let’s go to a soy-based diet. Then all the little rough-n-tumble boys will effectively be neutered and have a start on girlie parts. Everyone can decide what they want to be then when they grow up and all will hold hands and sing kumbayah. 👿 /sarc (sort of)

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        • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

          “…soybean coffee..”

          SO glad I don’t have the ability to put you into moderation for that.

          I would.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:

            Why me, I’m not the one wanting everyone to drink soybean coffee?

            They do say though that it is a healthy alternative to regular coffee. They claim it’s basically miracle coffee and will give you all these benefits:
            promote younger looking skin
            reduce hot flashes
            improve sleeping
            lower cholesterol
            promote healthy prostate function
            promote healthy and strong bones and joints
            increase lean muscle mass
            reduce risks of heart disease

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              I believe that the estrogen in soy can also promote breast cancer.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                I am not a fan of soy. They put it in everything, it’s almost impossible to find feed or milk replacer without soy.
                In my experience soy based milk replacer makes calves sick and those who don’t get sick don’t thrive as well. We refuse to use it because of the horrible experience we had with a group of calves. We have to search far and wide to get milk replacer that is actually milk based and pay 3X the cost.
                All of that soy is getting passed on to humans, not to mention all the soy they try to slip into food.
                Too much of anything imho is bad and people are getting too much soy.

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    • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

      Make Money, talk to Sharon.

      Mailboxez, yo!

      Only, niche.

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    • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

      Look up “Castalia House”.

      They don’t care that you’re Conservative.

      They actually like that fact.

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  18. Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

    Another of my possible future wives.

    Just look at ‘er. Heck, just listen to ‘er!

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  19. lovely's avatar lovely says:

    There is an ill wind blowing so I have blessed my house with holy water, closed the curtains and hunkered down. The Beast is near.

    Thankfully I am not required to be in Milwaukee until the 18th by then the air may be safe to breathe again.

    😀

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    • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:

      “Something Evil Comes This Way”!

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    • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

      If their researchers went all the way back to Arkansas, I’m guessing Stephen King and Anne Rice could make one heck of a book series based on this woman. It could probably go back to the 1400’s, like Rice does, too. Slavers and aristocrats for centuries.

      The Rodham Horror. By King and RIce.

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  20. michellc's avatar michellc says:

    So I got polled by Promise III, I didn’t know who they were until after I answered their questions and then I looked them up. From what I can find they’re for Ted Cruz. I didn’t give favorable answers towards their candidate, I wonder if I will now be added to another list?

    I found it interesting though they’re only asking about Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Carson. I wish I could remember all of the “types” of Republicans I identify as. One was traditional something or the other, one was tea party and one was evangelical conservative. Can’t remember the second choice.

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  21. michellc's avatar michellc says:

    Just saw on CTH that Cruz is copying contact lists on phones and tracking you. I hate all this new invasion of privacy crap.

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    • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

      Is that on cell phones? And, how does he track us?

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      • lovely's avatar lovely says:

        Cruz app data collection helps campaign read minds of voters

        http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2db0fc93cf664a63909e26e708e91c67/cruz-app-data-collection-helps-campaign-read-minds-voters

        WASHINGTON (AP) — Protecting the privacy of law-abiding citizens from the government is a pillar of Ted Cruz’s Republican presidential candidacy, but his campaign is testing the limits of siphoning personal data from supporters.

        His “Cruz Crew” mobile app is designed to gather detailed information from its users’ phones — tracking their physical movements and mining the names and contact information for friends who might want nothing to do with his campaign.

        That information and more is then fed into a vast database containing details about nearly every adult in the United States to build psychological profiles that target individual voters with uncanny accuracy.

        Cruz’s sophisticated analytics operation was heralded as key to his victory in Iowa earlier this month — the first proof, his campaign said, that the system has the potential to power him to the nomination.

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        It’s an app for Cruz supporters if they download it then Cruz camp can copy their contacts and have all those people’s names and numbers. The app also allows them to track the phone’s physical location.
        The Cruz camp says when you download the app you are asked for permission to allow them access to your contact list and say they can turn off the physical location tracking.

        I just find it really creepy that they would have an app to invade people’s privacy who might not want to be invaded and would like to know just how clear this asking for permission is?
        So if you don’t want a politician having your cell phone number and you have a friend who downloads the app, now you could find yourself being called and receiving texts asking for money or being asked to donate the app yourself.

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