General Discussion, Monday, February 8, 2016

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  1. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    A sober post, after that lovely photo…

    In the days before Lent [2015] 21 Christian Egyptians were martyred for their confession of faith. 21 People of the Cross.

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  2. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Sigh. OK. I’ll post after that.

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  3. The Tundra PA's avatar The Tundra PA says:

    The hoar frost at sunrise photo took my breath away. Beautiful, Stella.

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  4. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ kids!

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  5. Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

    Good morning y’all. Snow’s coming they say, so I’m starting my coffee now.

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  6. Stella's avatar stella says:

    I’m not really awake yet, but good morning, everybody! It’s a gray day here, and pretty ugly with no snow to cover all of the dead or dormant grass and trees. But I know that spring will come again; it’s one of those things that is promised to us!

    Song of Solomon 2:11-13King James Version (KJV)

    For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
    The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
    The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.

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    • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

      KJV is so beautiful.

      Why did Zondervan, Thomas Nelson Publishers, and The Lockman Foundation feel the need to change it? Just for a copyright and for money? It’s shameful.

      Who could read that passage and say, “That language is too old and unreadable today.”?

      Because I can read it just fine. It’s English, fercryinoutloud. Two hundred and more years newer English than Shakespeare.

      I think Dante would have put the editorial boards of the aforementioned companies in a special circle, way down.

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      • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

        They play “the telephone game” with the Word of God.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          I think they tried to make it more understandable for the most people. With some passages, that’s true. Others – like this one – I like better the way I first learned it, in the KJV version. With the computer, I usually will read a verse in more than one version.

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          • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

            I used to collect bibles. At one point, I had at least 20 different versions, in print. I had NIV, KJV, NKJV, NASB, NRSV, LB, NLT, CEV, Darby, Young’s Literal, The Message, and even more variants.

            There’s a game for computers called Angband. It’s been developed and played and its code maintained for decades now. It’s a text-graphics dungeon crawler with lots of randomness. There are Variants of it. Chengband, Hengband, Animeband, Steamband, T.O.M.E., Gumband(! — which features Gumby.!)

            There’s only one Angband, though.

            It’s a poor analogy, because even the original, non-forked Angband is still being updated and made better (more or less).

            Our language hasn’t changed so much that we need to rewrite the Bible.

            Let alone absolutely butcher it with paraphrases like The Message and the Living Bible, and still have the guts to call it “The Bible”.

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            • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

              If we can, then I guess I should start drawing twenty-dollar bills on construction paper with crayons. They’ll be close enough.

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            • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

              urouge, nethack…..

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              • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

                nethack, ADOM, and rogue were way too difficult for my feeble mind.

                The ‘band variants were only chess x 1,000.

                Those were chess x 10,000 or more. My cognition was not up to it.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              taqi, the books of the Bible were not written in English, so every version is a translation. The KJV translation is the one I was raised on, so I feel very comfortable with it. I still will read another version if the language in KJV isn’t clear to me.

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              • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

                I think logically. Sometimes, to a fault.

                There is a better and worse translation of the Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, and Greek texts that currently exist.

                That is to say, there are “more accurate translations” and “less accurate translations” of these original texts.

                You can compare them all at BibleGateway dot com, even pulling up a full-screen interlinear composed of five translations (or paraphrases). You can get into Strongs Concordance, where every word you read is a link to the actual Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, or Latin word that is being translated.

                I prefer the KJV, after many, many years of comparison reading.

                I like Youngs Literal sometimes for clarity, Darby, and lately, Douay, the Papist Bible.

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              • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

                taqi–

                The KJV is a good translation, a very good one, and the language is without peer. The concern with it, from a historical/theological point of view, is that [without going into technically detailed discussions] several extremely ancient OT and NT Biblical manuscripts were discovered after the KJV was translated [one well-known example: the Dead Sea Scrolls]. These manuscripts indicated more original–i.e. “correct”–wording than was available when the KJV was produced. QED, no matter how beautiful the language of the KJV is, it does contain some mistranslations–problems which were corrected in subsequent translations.

                All this I learned while in seminary, where we learned enough Hebrew and Greek to do some preliminary evaluating of the texts ourselves, and also learned about the history of the transmission of the texts. That text transmission history is fascinating.

                As stella said, it is very helpful to use more than one translation when studying a Biblical text. I use the RSV, the ESV, and the KJV primarily–with individual reasons for each–but will also consult other versions.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        Dante was mocking the church with his poem anyway.

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        • Stella's avatar stella says:

          “Through me the way is to the city dolent;
          Through me the way is to eternal dole;
          Through me the way among the people lost.
          Justice incited my sublime Creator;
          Created me divine Omnipotence,
          The highest Wisdom and the primal Love.
          Before me there were no created things,
          Only eterne, and I eternal last.
          All hope abandon, ye who enter in!” —Canto III

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      • MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

        BTW, it’s important to look at any “new” translations of the Bible to see where “pc” has crept in, especially in the treatment of “man”, and how one refers to God. IMO–based on education and study–the NRSV, for example, is to be avoided. I appreciate and rely heavily upon the RSV, but wouldn’t take the NRSV if it was given to me as a gift.

        Have somewhat similar feelings toward the NKJV.

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

      Isn’t that a beautiful book? I love to read it, and usually get so fascinated with the story and words I read the whole book. Thanks!

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      • Wooly Covfefe's avatar taqiyyologist says:

        An amazing, necessary book. It is an anomalous book. Like Job, like Ecclesiates. It doesn’t seem to fit, to those with little knowledge of the Bible. Those people don’t understand that the Bible is a collection of books, all describing and completing the others.

        And, shame on me, I’ve never even read the “extra” books in Douay. I know nothing whatsoever about Tobit. Or Wisdom. I really should get on that.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        I always liked the book of Samuel when I was little…..

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  7. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! 😎
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! 😛
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎
    Mornin’ Ad rem! 😎
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 🙂
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂
    Mornin’ texan59! 😯
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 😀
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014 🙂
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    Mornin’ varsityward 🙂
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😐
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    Mornin’ Howie! 🙂
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    Mornin’ derk (“Stellars”) 🙂
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂
    Mornin’ complainers! 👿
    Mornin’ whiners! 👿
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 🙄

    Breakfast!

    Cinnamon rolls for coffee!

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  8. Stella's avatar stella says:

    This is good!

    Is Trump a True Conservative?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/02/is_trump_a_true_conservative.html

    So is Trump a true conservative? He would transfer power back from the federal government to the states. He would cut the federal government’s budget. He would enforce immigration laws. He would combat lawlessness due to immigration. And he would balance trade. His proposals indicate that he is indeed a true political conservative.

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    • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

      Who is a true conservative? Not most of the Republicans serving in Washington and even the states. Also, what results have they produced?

      I don’t want a test, theory, rhetoric or endorsements. I want results. The rest they can debate over on national tv. Makes no difference to me.

      Really good article, but I still think people can be stupid. You know my religious views, but I don’t care a lot about the religion angle either. So many Christians are all about Cruz. The guy who is the “best” Christian might be the worst president. I might well vote for an atheist. Never thought much about it. All I can say for certain without more thought is that I won’t ever knowingly vote for a Muslim.

      My Catholicism permeates who I am, how I think. It’s not something I take up and put down. But I would never have voted for JFK, Pelosi, Biden. Right now I can’t quickly name any Catholic I’d vote for. Maybe there are some, but I’m drawing a blank.

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    • doodahdaze's avatar Howie says:

      Does not sound like a neo conservative to me. Maybe just a regular kine.

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  9. Stella's avatar stella says:

    Article from four years ago, focusing on Voter I.D. law and voter fraud:

    Politics
    NH Senate passes voter ID bill after O’Keefe video

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/08/nh-senate-passes-voter-id-bill-after-o%E2%80%99keefe-video/

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  10. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    Email joke of the day……..
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    An old priest lay dying in a hospital. He had served the people of the nation’s Capital for many years. He motioned for the nurse to come near.

    “Yes father?” said the nurse.

    “I would really like to see Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama before I die” whispered the priest.

    “I will see what I can do” said the nurse.

    The nurse sent the request to Washington and waited for a response.

    Soon an answer came back; Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would be delighted to visit the priest.

    As they were driven to the hospital Hillary commented to Obama “I don’t know why this old priest wants to see us, but it certainly will help our images and may even help my election prospects”.

    Obama agreed it was a good thing.

    When the arrived at the priest’s room the priest took Hillary’s hand in his right hand and Obama’s hand in his left hand.

    There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest’s face.

    Finally Obama spoke “Father of all people you could have chosen, why did you chose us to be with you at this time when your end is so near?”

    The old priest slowly replied “I have always tried to pattern my life and behavior after our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

    “Amen” said Hillary.

    “Amen” said Obama.

    The old priest continued “Jesus Christ our Savior died between two lying thieving bastards and I would like to do the same”—

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  11. ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

    NH Primary and New England weather.

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  12. Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:

    According to Drudge, Yeb Bush has moved into second place in polling. That’s very interesting……….

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  13. texan59's avatar texan59 says:

    Good gawd! The libtards had a meltdown yesterday over some Stupor Bowl commercials. 🙄

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430993/super-bowl-commercials-doritos-prius-snickers-twitter?6qeThA57u5WQ0QLz.01

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  14. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

    In this commercial, a woman is within days of delivering a baby. However, this leading pro-choice group is angered because it is considered “human.” That they would say this is really scary.
    ‘A leading pro-choice group is up in arms over a Doritos ad aired during Sunday’s Super Bowl, accusing it of using a tactic of anti-abortionists by “humanizing” a fetus.’

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/doritos-super-bowl-ad-fetus/2016/02/08/id/713276/
    The video in the article doesn’t work, so I put the link to the youtube video here.

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  15. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    I like some old movies – tonight I watched “Baby Doll.” Weirdest thing I ever saw (translate: another total waste of time AND Caroll Baker’s talents.)
    🙄

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