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General Discussion, Wednesday, January 6, 2016
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January 6th…
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(12th C. stained glass from the Basilica of St. Denis, Paris)
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(The Adoration of the Three Kings, 4 c. mosaic, St. Mary Major, Rome)
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Morning Mary! It’s Christmas Eve or Christmas Day? I was in Paris long ago, must have missed these beautiful Windows.
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Thank you Mary, these are so beautiful. I think beauty is an integral part of our worship. Beauty of the liturgy, of course, but the beauty of the art we have surrounded ourselves with, particularly in our churches, the beauty of the music we call out to God with. All these things are first and foremost fitting and honorable to offer to God, but just as importantly, they teach our souls something that words alone can never give us.
Thank you for sharing beauty.
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I would also add that I loved the funny one too.
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Ones, the funny ones.
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LOL, I am so glad you clarified because I looked back up and wondered which one was funny and why. Yeah, I can be an idiot!
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GOPe ……
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Nye, Have listened to Trump last night, the elitist will be heading for the Windows soon.
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Yes, I did listen last night’s rally in NH. I was happy until the question and answer session at the end where almost every question was a social justice question.
So they plant people to ask questions as well as people to disrupt by getting dragged out.
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I ran across this bit of history whilst searching for something else. Think what would happened to the police force and city if this had happened in Baltimore….
Thomas Hanlon Flips…Out
http://forgottenstories.net/tag/thomas-hanlon/
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Nye, thought this already happened in Baltimore? There’s a restaurant in outside of Austin,Tx. With a nice young lady who sits, stands, in her Ms.Kitty dress, swings on a trapeze while you eat family style. Great Steak! The gun display case in the lobby is loaded with real rifles, pistols of the old west.
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Since Thomas Hanlon died while in police custody, with no video, and just some impossible police report where he was in the cell alone and it took 6 men to restrain the suspect even after “hurting himself”, I thought a twitter hash tag campaign should be made demanding justice for Thomas Hanlon. Then we could post messages on Facebook demanding a case be opened!
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BTW: Good morning, sir!
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That is a fascinating story. thanks Nyet. I wonder if Thomas’ descendants can get reparations from Harrisburg PD or maybe the whole trapeze community can go after brass bolt makers.
And leotards, aren’t those the predecessor of speedo? Can I sue the Leotard descendants for Speedo wearers who offended my sensitivities?
This all has a lot of possibility.
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That guy is the reason the safety net was created (the family were the creators of slapstick style comedy as well). He had punctured his skull on one of the stage lights in that fall.
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You are a wealth of interesting information Nyet, thanks.
I’ve talked a little bit about my unconventional childhood, one summer my dad decided to try the carnival life and took me and my cousin with him for the summer, we had a couple of different games, (my dad being very moral had no tricks to his games so I believe he lost his shirt over the summer 😀 but it was a heck of a good time for my cousin and I 🙂 ) . We traveled all over Illinois. I think I was 10. Anyhow, the Carnies were amazing people rebels and non conformists, not the creepy pervy looking folks of today, we were accepted even though we weren’t Carnies.
There was a huge man who made fudge and he used what would eventually be his tombstone as his fudge making slab. He said it always reminded him about what was important in life.
Anyhow your trapeze postings though more related to a circus reminded me of that adventurous summer.
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Mornin’ kids!
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Mornin’ WeeWeed!
That was great! My only problem with the “Unrated Unauthorized Director’s Ex-Wife Cut” is some parts in the Theatrical Version are missing…. like….. the rest of the movie.
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Good morning WeeWeed and all 🙂
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Mornin’ Lovely!
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Mornin’ Wee!
I will probably be added to another list. I got sick of all the R-congresscritters putting out statements that Obama’s latest gun grab attempt was unconstitutional and that he doesn’t make the law, etc. So, I fired off an e-mail to my congressman informing him we didn’t need statements, we needed actions and as he became a traitor to our country the day he voted to fund all of Obama’s illegal actions, his words were a bunch of fluff. That if he or any of them weren’t traitors they wouldn’t have funded Obama and they would tomorrow cut off funding for the departments to enforce his executive bs. Since, I can chew gum and walk at the same time I know they won’t do anything but talk. I do however hope he enjoys all congress has given him, like the great expansion of his business, his new house, new cars, diamonds for his wife. I hope it’s all worth his soul.
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Mornin’ michellc!
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Mornin’!
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Mornin’ Michelle!
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Good morning and breakfast is ready!
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Oooooh, pretty! Mornin’ B.
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Good morning! I was outside (putting out the trash for pickup) already this morning – it’s cold! Will be above freezing this afternoon, though, and for the next few days.
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Mornin’ stella!
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Good morning. It’s cold here today too, but should be warming up a little bit the next few days. I hope it warms up fast today. I promised this sweet little two year old a trip to the park and he likes to take big sticks and splash in the creek while we are there. I think I’d like to stay dry today. However, he is much more impervious to the cold.
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Mornin’ Menagerie!
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Good morning nyet.
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Whatever a two year old wants should be indulged (as long as it isn’t dangerous). He won’t be two for long! Two and three are my favorite ages. Have fun at the park!
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They are my favorite ages also. So full of happiness, wonder, excitement, joy. And temper tantrums, but that’s a part of it too.
This is a naive thing to say, but I can’t help it. I honestly cannot understand at all how any parent could also be pro abortion. Children and dogs are the very best thing in this world. Along with kittens and baby birds, flowers and clouds. Then, after a day of play, the Lord gave us adult beverages. What more could one ask for in this life?
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Perfect summary!
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I agree!
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In a bit of a rush this morning, good morning to everyone.
The Ammon Bundy situation may be something to watch today, 5 arrest warrants have been issued (according to the Ammon men) and one of the men, I believe LaVoy Finicum has said he will not stand down or go to jail. Up until now free access to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge has been given to people as of today or yesterday the MNW is closed with am alert on their page.
MNW closure
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/malheur/
Though likely anything that happens will be in the black of night.
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I am reminded of Martin Luther;
Luther sympathized with some of the peasants’ grievances, as he showed in his response to the Twelve Articles in May 1525, but he reminded the aggrieved to obey the temporal authorities. During a tour of Thuringia, he became enraged at the widespread burning of convents, monasteries, bishops’ palaces, and libraries. In Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants, written on his return to Wittenberg, he gave his interpretation of the Gospel teaching on wealth, condemned the violence as the devil’s work, and called for the nobles to put down the rebels like mad dogs:
Therefore let everyone who can, smite, slay, and stab, secretly or openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel … For baptism does not make men free in body and property, but in soul; and the gospel does not make goods common, except in the case of those who, of their own free will, do what the apostles and disciples did in Acts 4 [:32–37]. They did not demand, as do our insane peasants in their raging, that the goods of others—of Pilate and Herod—should be common, but only their own goods. Our peasants, however, want to make the goods of other men common, and keep their own for themselves. Fine Christians they are! I think there is not a devil left in hell; they have all gone into the peasants. Their raving has gone beyond all measure.
Luther justified his opposition to the rebels on three grounds. First, in choosing violence over lawful submission to the secular government, they were ignoring Christ’s counsel to “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s”; St. Paul had written in his epistle to the Romans 13:1–7 that all authorities are appointed by God and therefore should not be resisted. This reference from the Bible forms the foundation for the doctrine known as the Divine Right of Kings, or, in the German case, the divine right of the princes. Second, the violent actions of rebelling, robbing, and plundering placed the peasants “outside the law of God and Empire”, so they deserved “death in body and soul, if only as highwaymen and murderers.” Lastly, Luther charged the rebels with blasphemy for calling themselves “Christian brethren” and committing their sinful acts under the banner of the Gospel.
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Of course, these aren’t “nobles” and “rebels”. They are citizens and government functionaries who administer public land that belongs to all of the citizens. So it’s a matter of law and law breakers (on either side). In a perfect world, each law breaker would be punished in accordance with his crime(s).
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I wasn’t trying to draw attention to “nobles” and “rebels” other than in 1525 the solution demanded to the equivalent of OWS or Baltimore rioters was to kill them.
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s require that we work within the legal system for redress of grievances. The Hammond family seems to have done that without question. It could be argued Ammon Bundy is not doing so in this case. OWS was allowed because it was something put together by the left in the first place. Ammon Bundy is not doing anyone any favors by stepping foot on that misappropriated chunk of land.
I am not ignoring that Caesar and his representatives were corrupt 2000 years ago or that the Western territories had different real estate laws from pre-statehood that have allowed this situation to happen.
Speaking IMHO, Ammon Bundy and the rest of us would be better served making sure a honest election occurs this time.
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Ol’ Luther was rather harsh, wasn’t he? 😉
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And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marveled at him.
I’ll have to to some research on the render unto Caesar verse. My education on that comes from my Godfather who was a diocesan priest and I am remembering it as he told it to me. I should add that he was raised Catholic left the church had an epiphany and returned to the church and became a devout priest.
Jesus was questioned about about whether or not it was lawful to pay tribute to Caesar not whether the people should pay taxes.
The question as I’m sure you know was a trick question, if Jesus answered that people should not pay tribute to Caesar he was encouraging breaking the law and could have been arrested, if he said pay tribute to Caesar he is offending the people who have been following him and wanted to break away from the tyranny of Caesar.
The coin which Jesus used to stymie the Pharisees had an inscription on it that read “Son of the Divine” this to my understanding is what stopped the Pharisees in their tracks, these pious men had to declare the inscription as accurate and Caesar “divine” or they had to accept Christ’s words. Jesus was more than side stepping the question he was challenging them to openly declare Caesar divine which would have been blasphemy. A very effective turning of the tables.
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*The Hammond family seems to have done that without question.*
And the Hammonds are suffering without question. Of course, it’s easy to be critical when it is someone else suffering in prison *or* we have no empathy for the one left behind to tend the family ranch alone. I personally would not have chosen to take a stand on that “chunk of land” but under the circumstances, I refuse to be critical of those who do. JMHO.
And now I’ll take my leave.
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I think that most support the Hammonds in what has happened here, but many do not support Bundy. That is what I have seen the most critical comments being about.
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I say to anyone who is critical of the Bundys to try and put themselves in their shoes. I can sit here and say I personally would not do what they are doing right now. However, while I say that a part of me says something different. That part of me who has sit and listened to men and women and their children tell the stories of their lives for 30+ years or for the children all of their lives. I’ve became so angry while listening that at that moment I would have loaded up every gun I own and could borrow and go wherever they asked me to.
That’s why I refuse to judge or be critical of the Bundys because I know their fight started long ago before anyone ever heard of them.
This is all the result of the government and their years upon years of abuse and in the end they are who I blame.
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When I was writing that comment, I got sidetracked for about 45 minutes and just hit “post” rather than cancel. That last incomplete paragraph seems to have upset some people.
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Of course Luther was for not resisting the Ottoman Empire as well since he felt Rome would get what it deserved…..
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I see the government said that the armed men “broke in”. The Bundy group stated that the premises were unlocked.
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From FB – just now.
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That is very true. I know people who have lost their property to them after years of fighting them that in private fully support what they are doing, but even though they no longer have to deal with them are scared to say it in public.
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I saw an Arizona man who is there that said that a set of keys to every door was out in the open. They were doing a walk through showing that no windows or doors had been broken.
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Sorry lovely, Good morning!
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Good morning Nyet 🙂
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Speaking IMHO, Ammon Bundy and the rest of us would be better served making sure a honest election occurs this time.
I agree with you Nyet but I also believe in the spirit of what of what the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom are trying to do. I don’t think the time to take up arms is now. Not for me. But the Feds haven’t come in and taken my home, they haven’t jailed me, my loved ones, my friends or my community members, they haven’t haven’t personally threatened me or tried to silence me.
I pray that a peaceful return to a civil and lawful society and moral Constitutional government is possible.
The Feds have declared open war on the ranchers that is what everything I have read about this battle comes down to. The Feds are taking the ranchers land, destroying their lives at the point of a very real gun pointed at their heads, the feds are saying F* the Constitution, and now some people are pointing their guns back.
I would hate to see bloodshed, I would hate to see an FBI agent, the Sheriff, any LE, who is too afraid to stand up for the Constitution engaged in a gun fight with the CfCF I don’t know what the solution is but I do believe in a Constitutional America the CfCF have the higher moral and Constitutional legal ground.
We do not I’ve in a Constitutional America. So rendering unto to Caesar what is Caesars when Caesar unlawfully demands what is not his becomes a bit more difficult.
The law has been perverted by the feds to the point not only of it being an unjust law but it not really being a law.
I don’t think for a minute the CfCF will be successful in their demand that the feds return ill gotten land to private citizens and/or to the states to whom they belong.
I hope that the CfCF go home and wait out the next election. See if America can be saved without an armed confrontation. That said I don’t believe these men will be allowed to go home, I believe the Feds will destroy each and every man, their ranches and the families of each and evryone who have taken this stand.
It is my belief that the CfCF is taking a radical dangerous stand against the perpetual unlawful government abuses and actions of the Federal Government that are illegally and unconstitutionally destroying the very lives of ranchers across the United States.
Sorry I am not trying to be wishy washy, I understand fully that we are a country of laws not men, but there has never been a time when our government has continuously acted so dangerously unlawful and unconstitutionally.
The world is upside down and the soul of America has fallen out of her heart and we are somehow supposed to learn to live in this madness without standing on the street corner like a crazy person screaming “The sky is falling!”. Well the damn sky is falling.
All just my very JMVHO
Sorry for the long post 🙄 Hopefully it is coherent enough to make sense.
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Not just coherent – eloquent. 🙂
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Thanks Stella, my typos aside 🙄
I just read this
Three-quarters of Harney County’s land is federally owned, a reality that, here and elsewhere in the West, has long fueled debate about the ownership and management of federal lands. Locals who rely upon federal lands to graze cattle and sheep say they worry every time an environmental concern arises or a particularly bad wildfire season hits. Often those issues come with new regulations on their use of the land.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2016/01/oregon-standoff-latest/422622/
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Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think the government damned well intends to herd 90% of the population into city buildings built of concrete block, working, going to school, depending on government transit, city food factories selling only what they want to sell. The land grabs, water grabs, gun grabs, drones, and mind numbing years in rehabilitation known as public schools and universities are part of the plan, and we are just zipping along the highway right toward the entrance to government hell. It’s underway now, not tomorrow.
All the joking about FEMA camps for the unreconstructed are really right, I just happen to think most people will give up their homes, land, cars, guns, garden spots, forest streams, and dreams to go live like they did behind the Iron Curtain.
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I’ve known this for a long time. They need us to depend on them and folks like me who don’t need them for anything is a threat to them. That’s why I became interested in the ranchers years ago and was warning my neighbors that those of us who do this on a much smaller scale would be next and it wouldn’t stop until everyone had to rely on the government for everything. When they control the food it’s all over.
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Karl Rove catches two illegals while hunting near the border
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/karl-rove-catches-two-illegals-while-hunting-near-border/article/2579687
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What a convenient happening for Rove 🙄 I’m surprised he wasn’t hunting with Jeb.
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I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Unlike John Kerry, he has a history of hunting, and in Texas.
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Maybe….. but he’s also as big a liar and idiot as J. Effin. I don’t believe it. 🙄
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I am 95% sure Ammon Bundy is giving a press conference right now but no one is carrying it. Earlier MSNBC had on failed negotiator Jim Cavanaugh (Credentials; He was a negotiator at the Davidian siege 🙄 ).
Barring something extreme my best guess is that the CfCF are dead men walking. Cavanaugh said that the group is splintering because they don’t have a leader like David Koresh, he said other members of different militia’s are calling the CfCF a false flag, and the big Kahunan’s of justifiable State slaughter, Cavanaugh said that the men at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge are showing signs of delusional thinking in that they believe things are happening to them that are not true.
And as I was typing this MSNBC just reported that Bundy did give a press conference. MSNBC is ripe with misinformation. Terrible people the press.
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Tripod was an Angel, I’m sure. And I sure do miss him. Nobody meowin’ outside my door.
That silence is deafening. And he was just a cat. One that hugged you back when you picked him up. Real tightly, he did. For eight, almost nine years, a constant presence.
Coming up this Caturday, I’ll have some words. And some pics.
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Welcome back taqiyyologist, I really hope that your Tripod returns.
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It’s good to be back, Lovely.
I didn’t comment in FL, but I did read the threads, both here and CTH.
Self-imposed Taqiyy Moratorium due to lack of real computer.
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Oh, Taqiy. I feel your unhappiness. Did he disappear while you were gone? He may come back, tomcats are like that. One of mine was gone 16 days, once; don’t know if he was captured and confined, or chasing the ladies but he was emaciated when he made it home. 😦
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Yes. My neighbor who massages horses for a living was tasked with feeding him and his lady friend, Miss Kitty. I sent her a framed pic of a pretty Hanoverian in a field of purple Wooly Flox that my dad had taken years ago. She talked and texted with me while I was in FL, mostly to the effect that she hadn’t seen him.
The lady who used to own the tavern that used to be underneath my apartment, who first took Tripod in as a bar-kitten, she called me while I was in FL to ask if anyone had seen him, because she also comes by every other night to feed him.
The lady who feeds him every morning at 7:00 is a server at my restaurant, also called me in FL to ask what’s up.
Both angels are gone. I had Miss Kitty, feral generation 2, on my lap. Twice.
Tripod was on my lap every day for eight years.
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I really hope they return Taq, maybe they will sense you are back and head home, animals do amazing things. I know the feeling of a sweetie on your lap, my dog just turned 11 in December and the other is 10.
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Indeed – keep calling or whistling for them in the evening (or whenever you’re home.) Leave one of your dirty shirts or socks on the porch…. they’ll smell that you’re back.
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I hope they return, taqi. Maybe they have another home they visit besides yours, and someone else is taking care of them.
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That’s what I’ve been hoping, Stella. Someone ganked him. And he’s where a 14-year old cat needs to be, pampered in a living room, with a fireplace. And brushins.
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We had one that would disappear for days at a time, sometimes weeks at a time. He was neutered but he still roamed. He was an inside/outside cat and we finally discovered he had two homes, he would stay with a neighbor about a mile away. They thought he was a stray because we could never keep a collar on him, he always found a way to get them off. They would try to keep him an inside cat but eventually he’d get out and come back to our home until he would decide to travel to his second home.lol
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I just got a subwoofer. Powered. Poik Audio PSW10.
OMG.
Careful… easy…
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My muse, in just one moment of his musical greatness…:
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Play it loud, with lots of bass. Bobby is dynamic.
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Bobby is the guy I owe a lot of money to. He’s been my professor for enough time to get me a PhD. Doesn’t even know it.
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Bobby is christian.
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They’ve now charged the man who shot the teen who was ding dong ditching. I’m torn about him being charged, because he did shoot when they were running away according to the police. However, they were also doing more than ding dong ditching according to their statements, they were knocking on doors trying to wake people up and when nobody came to this door they went into the back yard to knock on a back window.
That just doesn’t sound like a prank to me, especially at 1 in the morning as they are now saying is when it happened.
Three teens in my back yard at night would concern me as well. Then I’m not sure about shooting at them when they’re running away.
It’s a sad situation, but one I still say would not have happened if 14 year olds had been home in the middle of the night instead of roaming the streets and bothering people.
The parents and family members of all three kids annoy me because they all keep harping on you don’t shoot kids for a prank, yet not a single one of them has made a comment that kids shouldn’t be trespassing and knocking on doors and apparently windows in the middle of the night. Very few seem to be willing to put any blame on the kids or parents.
http://www.pryordailytimes.com/news/tulsa-man-arrested-in-shooting-of-pryor-teen-says-i/article_0dcd8af4-b4cd-11e5-9fc3-b3293a02e0bc.html
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