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A somewhat anonymous DoD group used commercially available surveillance systems on an airborne platform before 911 to track down South/Latin American drug targets…resulted in some intrresting classified courts martials too. It did some things that weren’t officially approved but set precedents.
The various agencies in the Federal government noticed the ‘up’ sides of aerial surveillance but until the GWOT forced the evolution of drones and better surveillance systems the concept was a bit out of reach. Since 911 the explosion of commercial satellite and drone surveillance from b&w photography to multi-sensor, especially when added to other metadata information collection systems, has given government an unprecedented amount of information on the country’s citizens with no one performing oversight on how it’s used.
Your electronic communications are wholesale vacuumed up, your purchases by credit card and check down to individual products purchased are vacuumd up, your mailings are vacuumed up and stored, the data your automobile’s computer stores is vacuumed up and transmitted to….who? Your licence plate’s subject to being scanned by private or government systems and it as well as time, date and place the scan was taken stored. Phony cell towers along roads pick up your phone and in some cases even your conversations. I won’t even go on about who has aceess to your medical information routinely and without having to hack it. It goes on and on and on and you have no idea how much info ‘they’ have on you, where it’s stored, who’s using it and for what purposes.
Before I retired the Feds had bought a software system that took small scale digital aerial photography and converted pix into large scale and extremely detailed hi-resolution photographs. Drones with hi-res cameras could fly high and fast over an area, beam the pix back, the computers would enlarge and clean them and analysts could telescope in and out with great resolution. The use by lower levels of government was being pushed by the developers as, basically, a way of spying on the public. The presentation was smoked up a lot, the actual uses covered with veiled terms, but spying it was.
You have no ‘privacy’, don’t kid yourself. Nearly every move you make is monitored and recorded by someone and stored somewhere, and aside from what would amount to almost a total revolution, ain’t nothing you can do about it. The New Normal, learn to live with it.
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There’s no doubt about anything you say. I’m interested in what you think about the ethics and legal aspects – whether the potential violation of privacy is worth the obvious advantages as a crime fighting tool. Is it even logical to expect that privacy is a right in public spaces?
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I’m not trying to be funny, but define privacy. Define what is or is not a public space. My interpretation may differ from yours.
Your question, “Is it even logical to expect that privacy is a right in public spaces?”
In my opinion, the answer “seems” to have changed over time. Maybe it was always “No” but court case after court case has moved the answer around over time and to each of us the answer is what it was on the day we learned the approved definition.
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Of course. That is the basis for the conversation. I don’t have an opinion at the moment.
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Would you let your kids have a nuclear bomb to play with? To me the problem is that the majority of the government at all levels has morphed from being the servant of the people to something more akin to ranchers.
They tend to us for the sole purpose of feeding off of us. The surveillance isn’t as much protecting us from bad guys as it is keeping them in power. You wonder why the Feds would want the brewdth, depth and quantity of data they’re gathering, you can’t rationalize why someone like a city would want almost the same. Look at NYC, they have built a domestic and foreign intel capability post-K that rivals the Feds. The systems they have are state-of-the-art and the volumes of data they collect on people alone are second only to the Feds. They say it’s as powerful as it is as they want to prevent another 911-type of incident and no one has a stronger interest in doing so than the NYC government. Good point yet how donyou feel about government activist-progressive shepherds like Bloomberg?
To me the peoples’ feelings, mine included, are moot, we are at where we are at as too many people allowed the people they were supposed to supervise go wild, they let the hogs into the garden andvit’svtoo late to do much about it. I do not see 51 percent or better of the prople rising up, throwing off the chains and putting the shackles on their servants, that boat’s sailed. I think we’re going to have to learn to live in what’s going to be an increasingly benign-dictatorship.
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“I think we’re going to have to learn to live in what’s going to be an increasingly benign-dictatorship.”
“decreasingly” from my point of view in the city.
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I don’t quite believe we’re there yet, they’re still boiling the frog. At the point where they feel they’ve got the advantage they’ll start processing us into choice cuts in ernest. They still haven’t figured out a way to bring their usual urban livestock into the corral.
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I’ve been a country girl all my life, so that probably plays a huge part of why I highly value my privacy and because of that it probably makes me more distrustful of government. I look around at my neighbors these days and wonder where the folks like me are at. Anything the government comes up with to “help” you out they volunteer for. Any new law that the government comes up with and tells them it will benefit them they are for.
The more folks who can’t realize they’re in a pot of boiling water, the easier and faster it will be for them to cook our butts.
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That’s how dope dealers work, the first one’s always free.
We’ve been offered U$DA program money but having worked for them I know that when you done touches that fedruh gummint flypaper…
I couldn’t wait to get back to the country, when we first saw this property it looked like it belonged in the Rockies and not Mississippi. Seller asked what I saw that made me buy so quickly and I told him: “It has everything I desire: a lake, trees and a 200-yard clear field of fire.”
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It’s not just money, but also programs to test your animals or track your animals(some are mandatory, others are voluntary). You won’t catch me doing anything that is voluntary, whether it’s through the county, state or feds. I won’t raise or sell anything that requires regular visits from any government official at any level.
I still get pissed off every year that I must allow the darn tax assessor on my property. I did finally throw such a huge fit that pictures of my house were removed from the internet after the a-holes got one of my vehicles along with it’s tag in the picture.
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Czar, can’t say who, though I can say this after retirement, worked as a DOD guy. Developing all types of stuff for “battlefield surveillance”, not domestic. Remember when UBL was walking down that mountain, then sat down. The video guy shot a lot of background landscape. Well let just say, some Men who do things to people who deserve it, visited that site. All there was a whole lot more of these toys on the drawing board…..and Ziiggii, a hanks for that cup of coffee you poured for me, yeah……
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It’s never the toys, they’re just inanimate objects, it’s always the intentions of the clown playing with them. The road to hell is paved with ‘their’ intentions.
I was watching, directlynorvindirectly, UBL from early ’95 until 912 when everyone started to be an expert and he became an industry unto himself in the intel field. The man was no idiot, I had a lot of respect for him. He was responsible for a lot of the defensive works in Afghanistan that befuddled the Russians and us too, and he was no slouch after Stan too.
He knew that we heavily relied on our technology and he managed to elude us until 2011. He’s dead but the organization he and Azzam built is still rolling along. Strange, but I have more respect for him than I do Obama.
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Short answer.
The government is a Baleen Whale and every aspect of our lives is krill.
“Potential violation of privacy.” Attorneys will spend and have spent years wrangling the legal line between the expectation of privacy and the violation of that expectation.
In public setting the government basically allows for 0% expectation of privacy. That doesn’t mean that legally they can use data gathered from your phone in their large net of data gathering.
Yet.
Some cases have not been brought to trial because of just such gathering methods and the judge refusing to allow evidence into trial or the prosecutor refusing to reveal how the information was gathered. I suspect a lot of information was gathered in the Waco Twin Peaks melee that we (and the courts) will never see due to just such gathering methods. But you can bet your bottom dollar that information was a trail of breadcrumbs to usable evidence.
I believe that the battle over this type of surveillance and evidence gathered there within will be fought on two fronts.
1) Right to privacy, where the government will argue that the “right to privacy” is evolving as the government can not filter out certain information (krill) while in pursuit of criminal activity and similar to a detailed search warrant if evidence of criminal activity is in plain sight that evidence can in fact be used against a citizen as being in “plain sight” excludes the expectation of privacy .
2 ) The discrimination clause that is evolving.
Likely much of the surveillance is done in high crime areas i.e. “black neighborhoods” and is therefore by the politically correct definition “discriminatory in nature” as it places a biased and undue burden upon a certain group of defined people. <<This use of the “discrimination clause” is the new battleground for voter ID. Someone apparently argued successfully that it is harder for black and hispanic folks to get ID’s and therefore voter ID laws are inherently discriminatory and therefore unlawful.
If officers in a cruiser drive by your garage and the door is open and they see a meth lab the officers do not have to wait for a warrant to arrest you or begin seizing evidence in the garage it is a “reasonable arrest and search” under the circumstances.
I imagine somewhere down the line the information gathered and obtained by surveillance planes working under the flag of LE will be awarded a similar legal benefit. Because the information is reviewed rather than viewed in real time, an officer is not going to parachute out of a plane and conduct an arrest but will have time to obtain a warrant.
It seems to me that the surveillance planes are akin to an open ended search warrant circling and gathering information from whomever wherever and whenever.
“What expectation of privacy is reasonable in todays world of technology? Is the surveillance a “reasonable search in accordance with the 4th Amendment?” ” Asks the krill.
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Government already says it has the right to vacuum up all electronic communications, just as it did the traffic on the trans-Atlantic and Pacific phone cables for decades. If you want to split hairs you could say that they aren’t collecting on an individual, they’re just vacuuming the metadata and storing it so that if the need be they could get a FISA warrant (you can get those in bulk at Sam’s) and search for relevant information. Justvask the folks at the Utah center where they’re reportedly vacuuming up and storing yottabytes of data.
I’m betting they’ll apply the same standards to airborne data collection as they do driveby as you are outside and have no reasonable expectation to privacy. After all, y’all out in your 12-foot tall privacy fenced backyard skinny dipping you still could be observed by anyone, government or private, flying over. If Hillary gets to appoint her version of Roland Freisler to the Supreme Court you can expect legal determinations to become what she and her handlers say they should be.
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People don’t know what is mounted on their utility poles or how anything works currently. They certainly have no idea how long something has been taking place either.
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Like I said a number of times, these surveillance programs were being planned long before 911, I was hearing about them in the…shall we say…90s.
They were being done under the rubric of catching criminals…thst’s why fishermen put bait on the hook. It cobtinued after 911, a fortuitous event for the info mongers, with hacks to get into your computers and cellstirning on the cameras and mics without thevtarget knowing…to catchbterrorists. Now folks are actually putting security cameras INSIDE their homes and electronic locks on their doors they can access from their smart phones. They are sure how that they can’t be hacked into…
We’ve already visited the subject of how your auto is one huge collection platform for anyone with access to its systems, functionally there’s no place you can be alone if you are ‘electronic’. Looks like the new generation has put privacy into the Salvation Army box, it’s passé and unneeded.
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In February of 1999, Asset ID wireless RF technology was introduced as an option for laptop computers so large companies could recover stolen property.
It’s no longer an option. The average consumer doesn’t knows it’s there, and would probably think turning the unit off or removing the battery would have any impact if they did (almost like a mythical burning phone).
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Like that built-in wi-fi capability that’s connected to your camera and mic. You’d be surprised at how many people I see who have a bit of tape over their camera, but they’re mostly older folks with privacy issues.
I make sure my laptop’s ‘dead’ before I put it up, I use an old flip phone I keep in a box on the kitchen counter along with thecrest of my pocket junk and the iPad in a desk drawer pending the day it goes to the firing range as a 100-yard target. It’s a fight but it keeps me active.
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Electrical tape and a paper hole punch makes it look like I bought a premade cover.
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They are in almost everything now.
Types of RFID
Passive
Passive RFID systems have the reader and reader antenna send a radio signal to the asset tag. The RFID tag then uses the transmitted signal to power on, and reflect energy back to the reader. This form of RFID system can operate in the low frequency (LF), high frequency (HF) or ultra-high frequency (UHF) radio bands.
As passive system ranges are limited by power, they typically have a range of 10m or less, possibly due to positioning and physical obstacles. Due to the fact passive tags do not require a power source or transmitter, and only require a tag chip and antenna, they are cheaper, smaller, and easier to manufacture than active tags. Passive tags should not be placed directly on metal surfaces unless there is foam backing on the tag as the metal may interfere with the return signal.
Passive tags can be packaged in many different ways. They can be sandwiched between an adhesive layer and a paper label to create smart RFID labels. Passive tags may also be embedded in a variety of devices or packages to make the tag resistant to extreme temperatures or harsh chemicals.
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Yeah, all of my fogs have them embedded just in cascthey get picked ip. One place I was working was talking about how nice it would be if babies had the embedded too before they left the hospital as it would be a jim dandy way of making sure if the baby/child were lost or kidnapped the police could determine who it was, maybeveven locate it through a network of passivecreaders…sorta like licence plate scanners. As the baby’s DNA is now recorded before s/he leaves the hospital and it’s issued a SSN why not an ID ch?
I was going to mention this but as I’d gone on at length about other things I thought I’d let it slide. That’s why like our old ’97 Saturn that works as our emergency backup car, it doesn’t broadcast its position, actively or passively, like a lighthouse.
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My dog and cat are both chipped. Grandchildren? No.
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Thank you Nye, could never remember the difference between these items……
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I only posted the one type that requires no power source that is used in almost everything.
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What’s in your wallet? (or iPhone, notebook, coffee maker, usb charger, dishwasher, circuit board layer)
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http://www.idstronghold.com/?gclid=CPreqNv42s4CFQYPaQodVWgJIQ
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I don’t have a dishwasher, notebook or coffeemaker so I am safe. Right? 😎
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No, you walk on the street, fill your car at a gas station, your vehicle needs service, use a ATM……..
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Except for the electronic device you’re using to read and post on the Internet, sure.
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I was speaking tongue in cheek (I think that was clear? ) Anyhow my car alone likely puts me on Hillary’s hit list.
That said I really don’t have a coffee maker, dishwasher or notebook.
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I love my dishwasher – probably because I didn’t have one for fifteen years.
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I can’t remember when I had one that I actually used other than when I was a child living at home and gave my poor mom grief about emptying it when it was my turn.
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LOL If they are monitering my coffee maker, they will think I have moved away or died. I have been drinking just tea for months.
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For hot drinks I only drink tea, my daughter has a fancy tea water maker that you can set for the proper temperature in accordance with the type of tea you will be drinking for proper steeping 🙄.
Me I live dangerously. I boil my water and take my chances that it will all work out well 😄. So far so good.
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I drink coffee in the morning, but I favor iced tea the rest of the day.
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Hot tea and plain old cold water for me with an an occasional soda.
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I rarely drink soda, and I’ve pretty much given up wine, so iced tea and water are my beverages of choice.
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I like soda with pizza. It seems wrong to drink water with pizza but iced tea might be ok.
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That’s probably why. I can’t eat pizza (cheese) any more. Sad, but true.
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I would miss pizza.
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I do. Also lasagna. I can eat hard cheese in moderation (parmesan) but mozzarella or anything like it gives me fits. Sometimes I will eat cheese, but I usually have to drug myself to avoid the consequences.
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I haven’t had lasagna in a while. I’m getting hungry though! Maybe I’ll order a pizza. I do eat a lot of cheese far more than I eat meat. I go back and forth with being a vegetarian as meat sometimes just grosses me out.
Sorry you can’t have pizza, that would be rough.
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i prefer soda with pizza, but gave up sodas a while back. So it is iced tea.
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Same here.
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I have a whistling tea kettle and I boil my water too. But, I never, ever heat the water in the microwave like some people do because the tea always tastes flat to me.
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Me too!
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I don’t have a microwave. My daughters and friends sometimes think I am a cavewoman 😊.
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I mostly pop popcorn in it and when it dies I may not even replace.
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I have a stovetop popper and an air popper
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Little boys and golden retrievers, two of the best things in life.
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A little boy standing there, showing respect, will grow into a young man with respect……
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Amen.
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My little grandson has learned from the races every week to put his hand over his heart when he hears the national anthem. I always point out the flag to him and tell him that’s why. I didn’t really know if he had connected the dots on the flag, but knew he had on the national anthem. Today we went to a parade and as the flag came by he immediately put his hand over his heart. After it passed his mom was pointing out the clowns and he told her, “ssshhh mama mecan flag,” and kept his hand over his heart(well really more like on his stomach…lol) until the flag was out of sight. I was one proud Nanny because I know it will be something that sticks with him and someday when he’s old enough to understand I can teach him the why.
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Beautiful Michelle.
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That there is a future member of our Armed Forces, seems like to me!
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I don’t know what he’ll be when he grows up, but I do know he has good parents who will teach him respect, morals and manners.
Nanny and PaPa will assist along the way. 🙂
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Sounds like a winner what ever he decides
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Just a reminder…
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Too obvious…
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I’ll take it!!!!!!
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The latest tracks for Invest 99L start moving towards the South Florida/Gulf track. Folks along the coast who remember Andrew, Katrina and Rita are starting to get that queasy gut feeling. Folks who flooded in Louisiana this March and ladt week are not happy about this either.
Gull’s really warm, no storms of any note to churn the waters and bring cooler water up from below and there abe areas of random hotter water brought up through the Yucatan Straits thatvare floating around. It was these random hot spots that made Kstrina blow upmto a cat 5, luckily she ran over cooler water closer tontne coast, she dropped to a three but her five surge hit the coast and severely damaged a number of cities.
Time for bed, wondering what dreams will be tonite,
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Chicken fried fish…
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Morning folks! Happy Wednesday!
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Happy Wednesday S&S 🙂
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Hey lovely! Hope your morning is going well.
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Evening SAS!!!!
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Evening Col. Ken!
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This Day in History: Dolley Madison saves Washington’s portrait
http://www.taraross.com/2016/08/this-day-in-history-dolley-madison-saves-washingtons-portrait/
On this day in 1814, First Lady Dolley Madison saves a full-length portrait of George Washington from British troops. She also saved some other White House valuables and a copy of the Declaration of Independence.
Burning of White House and Washington portraitHer heroism occurred during the War of 1812 between Americans and the British—essentially our second fight for independence. President James Madison had left Dolley behind in D.C. while he went to meet with his generals. When Dolley heard reports that British troops were coming, she abandoned many of the Madisons’ personal belongings and instead chose to save the portrait.
Here’s what she didn’t know: The portrait was a copy of the original Gilbert Stuart painting. Even more interesting? If she had known to look for it, she would have been able to tell that it was only a copy: The word “United States” is deliberately misspelled “United Sates” for this very purpose.
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This day in history: people in flooded Louisiana areas start deleting selfies with Obama from their smartphones.
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Czar that’s a good one!!!!!
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Evening Stella, didn’t know this…….
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That’s so great!
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Hypocrite Harry Reid in 1993: “No Sane Country” Would Permit Birthright Citizenship
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He is a hypocrite for sure, but in recent years he doesn’t even make cogent arguments. Dementia from hitting his head on his excercise machine perhaps? Sorry for the snark. I can’t stand Harry Reid.
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I agree completely!
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Certain folks come on TV and I have to immediately change channels. Reid, P. Ryan, Pelosi, Obama, and Shrillary are high on the list, not necessarily in that order.
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He can’t use hitting his head as an excuse. He has always been a turd.
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My description of Harry Reid? Evil Whore.
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Who has a twin sister named Nancy Pelosi.
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He has been that for sure!
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Hypocrite=politician…politician=hypocrite
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🙂
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Ahhh, the Lord of the House Reid! I do believe their sigil’s a donkey with its head up its ass.
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I’m looking forward to the Federal Grand Jury investigating his land deals with the Chicoms. And the Chicoms didn’t get what they wanted (Bundy Ranch) they lost their money……..
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There are certain people here who will like this:
Found it here:
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Thank you for posting this. My BIL is Scotch/Canadian. I think he will love this. Great Christmas present for him. So, I ordered one. If you are uncomfortable ordering direct from this site, I got mine at Amazon. 🙂
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I just want Lynchburg Tennessee. Dibs.
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ALL of Lynchburg? Or just part?
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Lynchberg…is that the all white city where persons of color dare not tread or is that Loretta’s hometown? Such dichotomies…
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Before someone else says it: “I’ll drink to that!”.
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This part…
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Hey Impeach!!! That’s my backyard!!!!
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Because no one else would want it….
I can say that because we have Scotch in the family…in the pantry too. If an Outsider said that he’d get kilt.
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https://twitter.com/OurRevolution2/status/768338497811976192
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The millions of
dead attendees
were not counted.
On ice ’til Nov. 😉
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Because the dead can’t attend.
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I was writing about the usual Rat voters but that would also include those who’ve posed a political threat to Frau Blucher.
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Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
(Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
(Tom Collins)
(Black & Tan)
(Boilermaker)
( and Czarina 🙂 🍸 )
(Irish Car Bomb)
(Godfather)
(Mortlach)
(Roy Rogers)
(Classic Daiquiri)
(Gin & Tonic)
(Blackberry wine)
(Backdraft)
(Flaming Dr. Pepper)
(Stinger)
(Rusty Nail)
(Jack Daniels)
(Whiskey Smash)
(B52)
(Rum & Coke)
(Night Train Express)
Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎
Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂
Mornin’ texan59! 🙂
Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂
Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂
Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂
Mornin’ ctdar! 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂
Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀
Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂
Mornin’ Howie! 🙂
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂
Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂
Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
Mornin’ lovely! 🙂
Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂
Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂
Mornin’ Les! 🙂
Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂
Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂
Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂
Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂
Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂
Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕
Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance!
Breakfast!
NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!
Doughnuts for coffee!
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Good morning Nyet 🙂
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Evening Nye!!!!! Everyone!!! Thanks for keeping a plate warm for me, thank you!!!!! I’ll use my own blueberry syrup…….
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Grade A maple syrup, or the pancakes are left on the plate.
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Good evening!
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Mornin’ kids!
https://twitter.com/weknowwhatsbest/status/768218800567181313
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Mornin’ Weed! Is it still raining?
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Mornin’ Stella! Thanks for helping me with the trash next door! Quite a little pile of ’em built up…..
Right this minute – it is NOT raining!!! 😀
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!!!! Now I have to go look and jump in the pile of leaves….
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Oh look! Shiny leaves!
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What trash next door? Haven’t been there much lately (very busy tweeting about).
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Peeps stuck in moderation or spam….. they build up pretty bad at night.
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Evening Ms.WeeWeed!!! Forgive me for missing the public flogging. I often think of the day, Sharon, and Stella took out some trash…..Hope you are well Sharon…..
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Good morning WeeWeed 🙂
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Mornin’ Lovely!
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Good evening Wee!
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Not to detract from the post next door, or get sucked into a Trump argument, but it’s not an Aesop fable. The “Scorpion and the Frog” is modern-day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_and_the_Mouse
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I’m surprised that the “Trump” fable of The Snake wasn’t used.
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You know, just reading through the comments sucks the enthusiasm of the morning right out of me.
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The latest post is much more positive.
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It was many of the comments themselves rather than the post (I read the latest). I admit I haven’t been following along with Trump things after “Good Morning”, but I’m not seeing what the shift is on Trump’s part. The collective republican Jeb! campaign invented a bunch of things last year to counter Trump’s immigration enforcement position that are still repeated in the media and the left has picked it up to use.
If Trump or his people make a statement further expanding something that was defined for the past year, it’s not necessarily a shift on Trump’s part.
As I wrote, I haven’t been following along and I quit watching TV and talk radio altogether because it’s distracting to me. I haven’t heard about or read a shift from Trump.
I’ve read people saying he did, but I haven’t read or heard what it was directly myself.
The one thing I did read was that people are interpreting response to a loaded question during a Sunday talk show as a shift or softening of policy.
And of course this doesn’t even address any reality of accomplishing the task of re-implementing some process that went out of usage. It will take a year or more to ramp up. But people aren’t thinking and will begin screaming it’s a failure because it didn’t happen as they expected.
Reading next door is disappointing because most of them aren’t thinking for themselves. The complement each other parroting something and attack anyone that says anything different. It doesn’t mater what the topic is. Recipe for banana bread turns into a gang fight over the correct ingredients. You got labeled a “Hillary concern troll” for some reason that escapes me. Is it public education that creates group think?
I read something about it, published 225 years ago that seemed to indicate it did.
The people following without thought are going to be disillusioned not because they were mislead, it’s because they don’t know how to think. But it’s much easier on the ego to believe one is mislead.
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what was that thing I read about idols?
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Yeah, I read that Justin Bieber thing too.
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nooo, this
right?
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I was not aware of the commotion either. I haven’t read the political comments for a few weeks, but I did today. There are people over there who totally believed Trump was going to remove every illegal from this country, every single person. Some are getting all upset that he might not do it, and some are believing that he is still going to do it, and all this “softening” is just to get more votes so he can win and then deport every grandma and anchor baby. Both these groups get very upset when anyone comments that no one should have ever believed that to start with. I still find it shocking to read comments and see the way people think, their complete blind adherence to one man, and their outraged, angry, often foul-mouthed attacks at anyone who offers a slightly different opinion. “No matter what, we must trust him.” One person said if he did kill someone on the street it would not affect his vote. And I have had my fill of “3D chess” too.
I also see some people shifting their arguments, and I don’t know if they can see that they are now moving into the territory of justifying the vote for Trump because “we cannot elect Hillary,” which is the old political argument used so often.
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I haven’t read much about Trump shifting but I have narrowed my world when it comes to information and opinions. Twitter is my main foray into the world of Clintonites and Never Trumpers. I haven’t watched much news or read much as it is like watching a dog chase his tail. And while I appreciate the votes that the “Trump is God” community will supply I have no use for their blind cheerleading and fantasy world.
But I think this is the quote from Trump that has the “Trump is God” community is all bothered about.
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Last night, I received notifications that comments I made next door a year ago had replies and likes. I couldn’t figure out why people I don’t know would do that. Now I do.
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Same here. SD linked an old post.
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I can imagine anyone is waiting for a response from a new comment on a year old post. If so, I’m thinking of waiting another year to do it.
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It will never happen here, because I shut off comments after 30 days. We didn’t do that with the Tree, but there is a reason.
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You’ve written about, and explained it before.
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Let me know if they ever offer an edit function for guests. I chip in money for that.
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Not yet.
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Letter from a Black American: Barack Obama’s Lousiana Photo-Op Hides the Real Devastation
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/24/louisiana-letter-black-man-baton-rouge/
… Now it’s getting strange….
Obama went and visited a shelter here in Zachary that wasn’t operational until somewhere between yesterday and today. That shelter in Zachary that he visited wasn’t in the same neighborhood as he walked and visited. The shelter was in Zachary, but across town.
Most of the people who have come here have been parking trailers in family or friends yard and staying there.
Why would the city of Zachary open a shelter the day before opening schools were back up, marshaling a ton of resources away from a supposed shelter? Why would Obama visit a shelter that has hastily been put together in a neighborhood, though flooded, was the only neighborhood flooded in a city that was fully functional, aside from the school, through this entire process?
Yes, the hardest hit neighborhoods and cities—places where upwards of 90% of all homes and buildings were completely wiped out—have not supported Obama politically or otherwise. …
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It’s the “Curly Effect”. Shape and reward the voters who vote for you!
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https://twitter.com/Mattism78/status/768477977059483648
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OK. I have seen this “MAGA” posted next door several times. I actually had to google it. (Yes, I smacked my head.)
I only bring this up because before that I was wondering if it was some strange take on the children’s game “Marco Polo”.
Marco = MAGA
Polo = ???? PORNO?
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Interesting article at the WaPo that I missed yesterday, but it’s creating all kinds of buzz in the ugly underbelly of the ‘alt-right’…
Hillary Clinton plans to tie Donald Trump to the ‘alt-right’ and the worst of the Web
oh man, the guys at /pol/ are gearing up for some real antics.
I wonder if WE (CTH and here) fall into this ‘alt-right’ wing conspiracy against the Beast? They list Reddit (r/The_Donald), 4chan (/pol/) and Brietbart as the main subjects of the ‘alt-right’. I’m sure most of the speech will be directed almost exclusively at Breitbart. But, I have to say, Milo’s shtick over there is getting a bit old already.
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I have never seen anything about “alt-right” until the last two weeks. I looked briefly at some information, and what I saw indicates they are anti-Semitic and don’t belief the mass killings of the Jews in WWII even happened. They were also characterized as believing very strongly in racial differences and that races should not mix to make up a country (or something like that.) I don’t know if this info is true. People seem to be using the term all over now, and I’m not sure the ones using it know exactly what it means.
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One comment I saw on FB is “the Alt-Right have taken over the Republican Party”. Of course, on that same thread somebody referred to the “Trumpanzees”.
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LOL! Really? heh heh heh. Eh, sigh.
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My understanding is that the alt-right is a response to what is considered the “conventional right” specifically the “never Trumpers” such as the folks at National Review, Bill Kristol, George Will, Ben Shapiro, and their all in for Hillary or Cruz club.
Just like any movement it has its extremes but I would say most people in the alt-right are simply fed up people who once labeled themselves as conservatives who think that the republicans are just as bad as the democrats, only interested in their own power, wealth and re-election.
The alt-right is a branch of people who recognize that Bush, Cruz, McCain, Romney do not give a damn about America.
The alt-right also openly embraces the gay community. Milo Yinnopoulos being on the forefront of that edge of the alt-right movement. Gay or straight is of no importance, people are people, the alt-right is fighting the two headed beast of demopublicans.
Oh and also intrinsic in the alt-right is that some people curse and fight bareknuckled and are not cluck clucked and finger wagged into submission by the hypocritical establishment republicans who want to put on the pretense of civility as they throw America over the cliff into the abyss.
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Well summarized definition of the ‘alt-right’. By that definition I guess WE would fit in as a member of the ‘alt-right’ groups.
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Not me. I want nothing to do with them.
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Pam, just think about how MSM mis defines everything to their advantage. I think the alt-right is less extreme than we are led to believe which is not to say it does not have its extreme elements. Heck people at the CTH say nasty racist things but they are not the whole of the Tree House community.
The one man who stands out to me as an alt-right self identifier is a Cruz supporter who attended the Trump San Jose rally where the police had orders to stand down from their Clinton supporting leaders and allowed Trump supporters to be attacked. This man was there and witnessed it personally he said something along the line that the time for polite discourse was over, the time for clinging to his Cruz hope was over, he was joining the alt-right movement. I think many people associate the alt right with acknowledging what a a load of crap the republicans have been serving to us with a cherry on top and telling us it was a sundae.
For me the alt-right is a movement that will not stand around for this, or try to understand it, they simply demand that it stop.
Cleveland was full of armed citizens exercising their open carry rights/patrolling the crowds outside the convention center, and all the talk of the BLM and other terrorist groups disrupting and attacking Trump supporters/convention goers never came to fruition, IMO because people, armed citizens took a stand.
I think we have been above the fray for too long. Time to fight fire with fire. Personally I have never trolled anyone before this election. Now when some misguided minion starts clamoring about the evils of Trump and the glories of Hillary, I post the unvarnished truth about Hillary and I use language that they understand. I don’t feel like I am stooping to their level I feel as if I am possibly communicating with them in the only way they understand. Remember they have no use for facts so if you can tweak their emotions you at least have the possibility of them sitting home rather than voting for Hillary.
As to the satanic spawn who are obvious Hillary shills I post dead bodies, victims of Islam and tell them their blood is on their hands and that Hillary wants more of this in the US. I’m sure that it does no good for the minion but who knows what fence sitters are reading.
I’ve had a few messages from the crazies saying things like “I didn’t know HRC was so bad”. Mostly they just block me, but I do believe trolling them and trolling them hard is more likely to plant a seed of doubt than trying to explain things to them on an intellectual level.
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Totally agree, Lovely!
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Vulgarian and ‘alt-right’ are synonymous obviously. I just wonder how much of this ‘alt-right’ argument is being driven solely by the “#NeverTrumpers”?
Is the Beast’s camp just taking the Vulgarian title to the next political step or are they working side by side with the ‘right-wing’ of the Uniparty?
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It’s kinda funny, because what is portrayed in the article is exactly what the ‘alt-right’ wants you to think they are. Granted there are some who are anti-semitic, pro-white, nazi loving, but a large majority would be able to find a comfortable spot on a branch here. They revel in being ‘rude, crude, ugly’ by anyone that they would consider a ‘normie’ (normal person).
The fact that the Beast is trying to put Breitbart-Reddit-4chan all in the same grouping is the real joke.
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What is odd to me is that I never saw references to “alt-right” until a few weeks ago, then I saw it everywhere. My guess would be that they are behind the use of the word “c**kservative”, which showed up in the last year (?). Another theme I have seen in the last few months is a lot of commenting on IQ’s of races, i.e. blacks. I wonder if some of the really rude people next door consider themselves alt-right, since you say they revel in being rude. I think this is a disturbing trend, and it implies further disintegration of our society. I don’t believe this kind of thinking, which they probably thing is edgy and necessary, will bear good fruit.
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I have no doubt at least some next door see themselves as proud members of the ‘alt-right’. The pendulum always swings back and forth in extremes. I think Trump has for the most part helped more people feel free to not adhere to the PC mindset. Like any other counter culture movement of the past the ‘alt-right’, I think, is a result of the PC culture.
Not all of the ‘alt-right’ is bad. Like Conservative consultant in the article said, it’s hard to pick your way through the junk to get the nuggets. In general Reddit/4chan are both just sewers and tarnishes the good parts of the ‘alt-right’ that are attached to those communities. They are definitely distinct from the more main stream ‘alt-right’ such as Drudge, Breitbart, CTH, Gateway. Heck over the last few years even Infowars has become a little more credible and as such a little more respected.
Anyway, it’s all very fascinating and I must admit I venture into the weeds of the far ‘alt-right’. The Beasts speech tonight is probably going to be one of the only speeches I ever watch of here live.
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How would you classify Lame Cherry?
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Oh it’s ‘alt-right’… I would imagine anything not under the umbrella of MSM is ‘alt-right’ by Hillary’s definition. How far out in extreme a particular site goes places it on the bell curve of offensiveness to the left and the MSM.
The thing I will be looking for tonight will be how she qualifies Breitbart. Will it be in the middle of the bell curve; meaning it is ‘mostly offensive’. I tend to think most of us would place Breitbart at the left of the curve (meaning ‘alt-right’ lite) and Reddit/4chan on the right portion of the curve (meaning the sewers; which it is!).
All other blogs, sites and forums land somewhere on this perceived ‘offensive’ bell curve. Based off the MSM definition of ‘alt-right’ it would fit some of these things: 1) it’s not MSM consumption 2) it’s republican or more specifically conservative (there’s that word again!?!) 3) either the authors or commenters use non-PC terms.
There are probably other criteria that I’m not thinking about, but you get the idea. All this is JMHO.
Wonder what if anything would be considered ‘alt-left’?
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I will watch it muted with closed captioning on. 🙂
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Forgot:
An example of a ‘good part’ of the ‘alt-right’ that is attached to 4chan is a subgroup of /pol/ that is doing amazing research into the Clinton Foundation. It’s called /cfg/. Assange has tweeted directly to them saying they were doing a good job in their research.
If anyone get a chance and wants some ‘lite’ reading check out their website and go through the 300+ page document they have up on Google Docs.
http://clintonfoundationinvestigation.com
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Just ran across this article in Slate about the founding of Alt-Right (according to Slate, of course).
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/08/why_hillary_clinton_is_talking_about_donald_trump_and_the_alt_right.html
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I was just about to post another article from the NYT on todays thread.
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Sorry – somehow we got stuck on Wednesday!
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lol! I know, but it is another good discussion. I was gonna post it here, then thought it might be time to migrate over so everyone didn’t have to keep going back and forth between threads.
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there’s a lot of juice in that article, but they have no idea what they are talking about. example FTA:
There’s a whole lot of generalizations wrapped up in just those few sentences. For the most part I imagine that this will turn around and blow up in the Clinton campaigns face. They want to tie an internal GOP shake up with a nationalist sentiment, that includes a Pro-American/anti-multicultural portion of that movement and that does not hold to any type of racist element, directly to a KKK, white only, nazi ‘lite’ movement; really?
WTH is the #BLM then? A black liberation theology run amuck that is inherently racist at it’s core. A movement which has no real desire of being Pro-American or even a part of this country and has been co-opted by the Jihadi’s, anarchist, communist/socialist in our midst.
This is some special kool-aid being served up!
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Well, new addition to the family. Less than one pound kitty Abby. What a spitfire. She is so small that she can squeeze out of the pet crate I would like her to stay in until she is a little bigger. Cody, the 50LB Cattle dog is head over heels in love. He whines and stresses when she gets out. On the other hand, Spike the 10 year old cat, took one look and went off somewhere to pack his bags. It is going to be interesting for a few days.
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LOL
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Glad you have a new member of the family…….
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Now if I can keep the little stinker in her crate or box so 50lb Cody does not inadvertently hurt her, it will all be good.
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Forest fire – Grand Tetons/Yellowstone:
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The whole West is on fire.
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Evil Wal-Mart to the rescue in Louisiana; I say it deserves the 2016 Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.aei.org/publication/evil-wal-mart-to-the-rescue-in-louisiana-i-say-it-deserves-the-2016-nobel-peace-prize/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=perrywalmartLA
In recognition of its heroic efforts to once again provide critical goods and supplies immediately to the areas affected by the floods in Louisiana, I hereby nominate Wal-Mart for the 2016 Nobel Peace Prize for: a) its ongoing and significant contributions to society by improving the US and world economies, b) directly creating more than two million jobs worldwide at its retail outlets and helping to support many thousands of jobs indirectly for all of the thousands of suppliers to Wal-Mart, c) mobilizing emergency response efforts following every natural disaster in America (and elsewhere) and d) its contributions to improving the lives of millions of lower-income consumers by offering “Everyday Low Prices.”
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There is the Hillary Whisperer in the upper right hand corner. It looks like he is worried that the pork on a stick might topple her over.
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Adorable.
Father photographs his 5-year old daughter in the clothing and settings of Renaissance Dutch, Flemish, and Italian masters
https://imgur.com/gallery/SVqPE
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These are adorable.
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Very cute!
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Saw on FB:
Are you suffering from a terminal illness? Do you need euthanasia?
Simply dial 1-800-CALL-FBI and say you have evidence of a crime Hillary Clinton committed.
A professional euthanizer will arrive within minutes to assist you.
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😯
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Forgot the link, the FBI reports from agents who interviewed members of the White House who were present in a policy meeting with Vince Foster shortly before he was shot, are missing from the Archives. Also present was Hilllabeast who publicly dressed him down, “you have failed us” – as quoted from Hilllabeast. The Agents believe this dressing down pushed Foster over the edge. Now this still doesn’t explain who’s DNA found on Fosters boxers……..
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I saw that Col. a bunch of files related to Foster have disappeared.
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Ontario Imam Tells Muslims Not to Apologize for Foiled ISIS Suicide Attack
“It’s amazing that Muslims continuously ignore the fact that our Creator gave us our own system and obligated it upon us.” CounterJihad, by Bruce Cornibe, Aug. 244, 2016: Islamists often blame the foreign policies of Western governments in attempt to mask the despicable acts of terrorism committed by jihadists. This type of scapegoating switches the […]
Sharia, terrorism, Mazin AbdulAdhim, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Islam apologists, Muslim victimhood narrative, Aaron Driver, Counter Jihad Report
http://counterjihadreport.com/2016/08/24/ontario-imam-tells-muslims-not-to-apologize-for-foiled-isis-suicide-attack/
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Tornado in Kokomo, IN:
Donald Trump’s running mate, Governor Mike Pence of Indiana, had to jump off the campaign trail and return to his home state after a tornado touched down in the city of Kokomo. The city is about 60 miles north of Indianapolis. Breathtaking videos of the tornado can be seen below. There was even a Starbucks destroyed by the storm.
http://dennismichaellynch.com/tornado-videos-from-indiana/
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Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
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Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance!
Breakfast!
NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!
Doughnuts for coffee!
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