General Discussion, Sunday, May 29, 2016

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  1. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Good evening/good morning!

    “This is the day that the Lord has made;
    let us rejoice and be glad in it.”

    –Psalm 118:24–

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  2. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Interesting.

    The era of anger

    The era of anger.

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:

      I’ll take a stab at an opinion. The first thing — it is startling to me that this person just realizes that we have a right to be angry. What was he thinking prior to his realization?

      Second — I can’t completely follow his two simple elements – envy and change. I do think many of the hugely angry people I see who support Trump could be coming from this point and I’d be lying if I said it didn’t concern me. But there’s more than just resentful anger/envy going on. Much more.

      My husband and I had a talk about Trump last night. We had watched his energy speech and a rally. I have previously said he has a great gift of powerful charisma, imo, which is a force in itself and could be used for evil or for good. We of course cannot know him completely, his motivations and inner being. But we think it’s possible that he started off with one thing in mind (not bad, just maybe in a smaller dimension) and then went out and, in those massive rallies and talking to real people, he himself was taken somewhat by surprise at the reactions across the country. If that were true, the people themselves could have begun more of an awakening in him and changed or focused him in some different ways.

      So the question is, I guess, could he be a master manipulator? I think it’s possible. But who really knows? Maybe, in a sense, he could be, but he will do things in a way that will work toward our good. He seems at times to be more angry now, when he talks about the awful things in our country. That jaw just clenches and there’s a look on his face.

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

        I have seen what you are talking about. I think he has changed and become aware of things he wasn’t aware of before.

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  3. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Short answer: NO.

    Sweden: Is Islam Compatible with Democracy?

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8129/sweden-islam-democracy

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  4. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

    Would have ben here sooner (autocomplete put in ‘sober’, sheesh, it knows me) but I was busy dragging ‘tail end Charlie’ on Saturday.

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  5. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    Last drive-by (the one which engaged me most):

    Irrational Christian Bias Against Guns, Violence And Self Defense

    http://www.captainsjournal.com/2016/05/22/irrational-christian-bias-against-guns-violence-and-self-defense/

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

      Yeah, christians using revisionist interpretations to justify their cowardice. Lion fodder. So, we should turn the other cheek while, oh let’s just say, the Moslem hoards start massacring Christians and Jews in the streets here as they do elsewhere?

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      • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

        I love Westerns. And, there were so many stories of sects of Christians who were not willing to protect themselves or their families because they didn’t believe in violence. So……..their women got carried off and raped and the men killed. It never made sense to me.

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        • Col.(R) Ken's avatar Col.(R) Ken says:

          The Mormons had enforcers, forgot their name, kept their people in line and protected, and kept the outsiders away…..
          Hey Mom! Fell asleep, how did the movie “They Were Expendable” end? Woke up and “A Bridge To Far” was on……..always think of my Dad……..

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          • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

            😥 I couldn’t find my copy and I missed recording when it was on TV. I believe the U.S. won.

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          • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

            A short ‘down and dirty’. The first group was the Armies of Israel formed by Joseph Smith while the church was in Missouri. Next they had the Danites, though the Armies of Israel were also known as Danites. There were some other groups such as the Whistling Brigades, Nauvoo Police and Destroying or Avenging Angels, and membership seems to have been fluid, but the Danites and Avenging Angels are generally the two groups most familiar LDS students. Whether the Danites or a Danite-like group still exists is unknown but is a lively topic with LDS watchers.

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            • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

              Once I got curious and read up on Porter Rockwell. Scary guy.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                His bio is one of my GGS’s reading projects this summer. We went through a Porter Rockwell revival in Utah back in the 70s, no reason why, but that’s the first I’d ever heard of him and suddenly he was everywhere.

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          • shiloh1973's avatar shiloh1973 says:

            Tom Berenger did a really good movie about the Mormon enforcers. You can watch it on youtube.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd0Wc_3cEn4

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          • Stella's avatar stella says:

            Check out this guy. James Strang set up his own sect of LDS and crowned king of Beaver Island in Michigan. Apparently, he had a huge following:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Strang

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              Oh yeah, there’s a number of LDS spinoffs. My favs are the ones thst straddle the Utah state line. When cops from either state were sent in to get the residents for plural marriage, or try to steal the children from their plural parents, the residents could just run across the street into the other state and escape persecution. Worked fine as neither state really wanted to get into a battle with some remote folks until both states were forced to hit at once. Kids were picked up and examined for abuse and other guestimated issues only to be found as adjusted, if not more so, than kids in ‘conventional’ marriages, whoops.
              I knew two polygamous families and they were as normal as could be. Never had the urge to try polygamy as one wife at time was more than enough to deal with, but it’s appealing to some. You generally only hear about the weirder fringe LDS sects, like you do the fringe Christian ones, as the MSM has an agenda and being balanced and neutral to any religion (other than Islam at present) ain’t part of it.
              BTW, if you’re looking for some interesting reading there’s a number of good books on Porter Rockwell, a key and extremely interesting Danite character.

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              • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

                One wife is enough to deal with? Also, one mother-in-law, I would presume!

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                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                  Sort of like Wile E. Coyote does ‘Acme marriage’. You gotta get past that wife part before you marshall resources and get that MIL boulder dropped on you.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    At my daughter’s wedding the preacher said something about uniting the two families. I told my daughter I already had to marry one set of in-laws and got the MIL from hell. I love her to death and loved her new husband, but not enough to have to unite with her set of in-laws, she was all on her own. lol

                    My SIL tells folks that he always heard horror stories about the MIL but he got a pretty good one. I told him that’s because I got lots of experience on what makes a horrible MIL and just do the opposite. 🙂

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                  • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

                    That is so funny. LOL!

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            • shiloh1973's avatar shiloh1973 says:

              I read about this a couple of years ago. I grew up in Michigan and don’t remember reading about it in my Michigan History class.

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              • Stella's avatar stella says:

                I didn’t either, shiloh!

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                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                  Strang was one of Joseph Smith’s t guys and fought, along with others, for Smith’s position when Smith was killed. Smith didn’t leave a clear succession so about six different sects split off with Brigham Young’s group being the most successful and the one we look to as the ‘main’ Mormons today.
                  No wonder Michigan didn’t teach it, the state school system has limited time for teaching state history and teaches, or taught, a condensed and sanitized version. I can remember the disconnect in Oklahoma between what I learned in Oklahoma history and what I learned later. Considering the…ummm…controversial aspects of Strang no wonder they put it on the back shelf.

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          Inshallah…

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  6. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

    Nite all, ’nuff punishment for the day.

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  7. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ kids!

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  8. WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

    😀

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  9. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

    I hope Trump picks up on this. Hillery had the whistleblower was prosecuted and the guilty were let off. Hillery brokered this travesty.

    “The Whistleblower, Hillary Clinton and your tax dollars”
    https://sharylattkisson.com/the-whistleblower-hillary-clinton-and-your-tax-dollars/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SharylAttkisson+%28Sharyl+Attkisson%29

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  10. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| ( and Czarina 🙂 🍸 )
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ ctdar! 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (bailey irish cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_|
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! ⭐ 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra and F.D.R. in Hell! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Pastries for coffee!

    = Unprintable phallic symbol

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  11. oldiadguy's avatar oldiadguy says:

    I saw this video over at MVT in a discussion about concealed carry.

    http://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/westgate-mall-documentary/

    The video of the incident is violent and bloody and is not recommended for those faint of heart. However, the video does prove that people, when confronted with terror and violence will work together to survive and overcome the evil. In the Westgate Mall incident, people of many races, cultures and faiths worked together and protected each other.

    When the security forces did nothing, a small group of plainclothes officers and two concealed carry holders went into the fray against orders. These brave and righteous men went to rescue people who were wounded and trapped. After the first group was rescued, these men continued to search for others and engaged the Islamist terrorist allowing many to escape.

    Again the video contains scenes of extreme violence.

    The lead rescuer, who was severely wounded in the incident has an interesting statement at the end of the video about the Islamist terrorist. The rescuer is himself a Muslim.

    John 15:13

    “13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

    Or in this case total strangers. Despite our different races, cultures and faiths, all good and righteous people have many things in common. It is our job to find those things we have in common and build on them.

    Take care and God Bless

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

      I like to watch the people and groups who oppose concealed carry. Many of those who oppose have the most to lose, sorta like those old Oklahoma bootleggers who so vehemently opposed the state going ‘wet’.
      The drops in violent crime that sort of parallel the rise in concealed carry and while the MSM touts individual cases of ‘gun violence’ you never hear about the cases where someone’s pulled his/her own gun and foiled a theft or mugging. The opinion molders have decided that the criminal’s right to be safe trumps the victim’s right to be safe, that the miscreant’s life is worth more than the victim’s and that the victim has an obligation to comply with any and all of the criminal’s demands with the police sorting it all out at some point in the future.
      It’s a slow process and innocent victims will be killed or maimed in the pursuit of a society free of bad guys but it’s the price we have to pay. Criminal lives matter, after all it’s our fault they feel hostile and alienated.

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      • lovely's avatar lovely says:

        I conceal carry. I have friends who open carry. My friends are divided most of us believing we would rather not have the hassle of nut case liberals if we open carry and also we like the element of surprise if we ever find ourselves in a bad situation. The few who open carry believe it is a deterrent. I believe that also.

        A man here was open carrying on his own property and some numbskull busybody called the police.

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          I felt that target on my back as a deputy where I carried in uniform, we even had deputies who couldn’t be bothered with the weight and bulk of the Bat Belt after duty and would go shopping in uniform but unarmed. Not me.
          I never liked open carry in street clothes, matter of fact we were prohibited from open carry when not in uniform. It’s a calling card for evey nutjob who wants to count coup and that ‘first person the bad guys zero in on’ thing I mentioned.
          I go to great lengths to make sure my concealed weapon doesn’t ‘print’ and I avoid those little telltale gestures that indicate someone’s carrying. The fewer people who know I’m armed the better, and I always carry a small can of OC judt in case I get into a shooting and some activist DA tries to naol me for not carrying a less-than-lethal alternative, saying I shot because I had no other option to counter the threat. It’s a pain and sometimes I think that it’s more trouble than it’s worth – then we have a NOLA night like last night.

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          • lovely's avatar lovely says:

            I go to great lengths to make sure my concealed weapon doesn’t ‘print’ and I avoid those little telltale gestures that indicate someone’s carrying.

            My friend and I play spot the CC when we are waiting for his wife at the mall 🙂

            The guys I know who open carry (3) have never had a problem, but many places don’t allow you to open carry or CC inside and they spend most of their time at the range. The guy who got bothered on his own property, CC’s everyplace other than his own property so it was a bit ironic. The police were harassed by the neighbor, and tried to put some pressure on him, but he prevailed in the end.

            That said I have stopped at garage sales and there have been guns for sale at them sitting on the tables. I’m in a very nice little nook of WI, now if only so many people here were not blinded by the promises of “conservative” turncoats. SMH.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              Off topic but I spent a lot of time at Ft McCoy and the greater Sparta/Tomah metropolitan area, even accidentally got caught in the Butter Fest once when our military bus sorta just drove in. Crunched the front of a government van on a low-flying local deer and got to go out and see what happens when a National Guard artillery unit screws its firing calculations and drops a 155 HE round into a dairy barn. Really miss that area, especially the disco that was in the basementnof a local diner.

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          • tessa50's avatar tessa50 says:

            What are those telltale gestures?

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

      BTW, if you are in a scenario such as this in the US and you are armed you will receive the same ‘don’t do that’ orders from the police. This is the result liability fears, fears that if you or a bystander are injured after the police either gave you the go-ahead or didn’t try to stop you, they’d be sued. Off Duty police, especially from a different agency, would get the ‘no go’ order were they to ask and risk being shot by the eventually responding LEA organization, another liability issue.
      Your life is worth less than their fears of liability and will remain so. You will be subject to who knows how long of a time from the moment the incident is reported to 911 until the proper armed response team arrives and if you ignore their orders you just might be involved in a lawsuit with anyobe injured direcly or indirectly by your actions, including the bad guys. Don’t laugh, it’s happened.
      Sort of makes that internet shopping more atttactive, don’t it?

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      • Pam's avatar Pam says:

        I don’t laugh. I totally believe this and have believed it for years. We live now in almost a bubble back in time, here in our community. Crime is so low I’m sure people still don’t lock doors. Sheriff’s Department has a strong guy in command. There are meth or crack mills (right word?) around but apparently not in our county. Just across the border in NC, dozens of them have been shut down. If someone is caught with pot paraphernalia in their car, for example, their picture gets plastered on the front page of the local paper.

        Lots of hunters and farmers and good old boys, along with retirees like us but they come from other places in the South mostly, including many from Florida.

        Is it coincidence that the total minority population in our county (black and Latino) is under 4%? I don’t think there are any Muslims, not enough to show up on a census anyway.

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          Ditto here for some of that. We do have an almost 13% black population, about the US level, but crime is minimal. Part of thecreason, I’m speculating (disclaimer) is that crime such as meth/grass production is not open and obvious so as long as the nail doesn’t stick up above the board…
          Part of that is also the fact that if you are a robber, mugger or tresspasser with evil intent you know that your target is just about assuredly armed and will light you up. You will also, providing you survive the property owner, reap the wrath of the LEA and judicial branches for doing that ‘nail above the board’ thing.
          The population here’s not shy about being armed and a lot open-carry. I love open carry for reasons I’ve already mentioned, as I carry concealed, but we carry and that makes potential bad guys think a bit; mo betterer they stick to the sheepish urban crowds.

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          • Pam's avatar Pam says:

            I don’t get out much but I don’t see open carry. Maybe it’s not legal here. But I am most sure there are plenty of concealed around, with or without permits.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              It’s legal in my state (as is concealed carry), but you don’t see it much.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                Yup, don’t see it much here, or in Louisiana, either. Some wanted it, the detractors made it seem as if every nut job would be strappin’ on a rig, and in reality now that it’s legal the sight’s a rare one.
                Open carry makes the public and businesses a bit nervous, I thnk all concerned like the idea of a CCW better as out of sight is out of mind.

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                • Stella's avatar stella says:

                  It’s illogical. I’ve pointed out to people that they probably shop for groceries with a couple of people carrying concealed weapons every week, but if they can’t see it, they aren’t bothered, apparently.

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                  • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                    Yup. As I’ve said, I like open-carry as if I’m in a facility when thugs decide to pull a robbery the open-carry folks will be the first ones they target, giving me time to get into play.
                    BTW, last night in NOLA there were eight armed robberies and four armed car jackings. In one robbery the same armed robber robbed the same store twice in a matter of hours. Surveillance tape shows clerk responding with his own gun the second time though he missed the robber by inches. Video seems to show robber slipping and sliding in something as he escaped through the door.

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                  • lovely's avatar lovely says:

                    More than a couple of people. At least in WI. I think most people would be surprised by how many people conceal carry.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    I told the story awhile ago about my SIL who normally carries concealed but got his coat wet and went ahead and went into Atwoods with it not concealed and how freaked out one girl in particular got along with a few others who worked there.
                    Heck this is Oklahoma where guns are a part of life.

                    Makes no difference to me one way or the other whether someone prefers to open carry or conceal carry and I told cops before open carry passed that were freaked out there were going to be gunfights in the street that they were crazy, did it make them want to have a gunfight because they open carried? I also told them I doubted they’d see a great number open carrying anyway and I was right, only a very small percentage open carry. However, unlike before when you could have lost your permit if your gun accidentally was shown now if your shirt pulls up or your jacket gets pushed to the side some idiot can’t call the cops all scared of the gun and cause you to lose your permit.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              And, to me, a good thing that is.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                That’s why I prefer concealed because if your in a store and someone wanting to rob the place sees you with a gun on your side they’re going to take out the threat first.

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                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                  And a grateful recipient of that persons largesse I will be…

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                • lovely's avatar lovely says:

                  A lot of people think that way and a lot of people think that open carry is a deterrent to someone who is going to rob a store. A potential robber may think why not just go elsewhere if there is at least one person with a gun because you immediately have a situation as you have to shoot the person with the gun.

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                  • tessa50's avatar tessa50 says:

                    I would agree with that except nowadays they don’t seem to care if they have to shoot someone.

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                  • lovely's avatar lovely says:

                    It’s like locking your doors, sure a thug can take the time to break the lock but if they are pretty much guaranteed there is a house without locks nearby the locked door might be just enough of a deterrent for lazy thug.

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                  • tessa50's avatar tessa50 says:

                    This assumes thugs are lazy when they want money, and they figure the locked places have the best stuff. When peeps are hurting for a fix, they go where the dough is, or where they think it is.

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                  • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

                    Now that is an interesting perspective.

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                  • lovely's avatar lovely says:

                    Could be, but most homes that are broken into are entered by way of an open window or unlocked door so locks are deterrents. Thugs are lazy, stupid or high (or a combination of some compilation of the three) if they weren’t at least one of those three things they would be productive citizens making money in a more socially acceptable way.

                    Honestly I do think open carry deters crime. Not many gun stores or ranges get robbed.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    That may be true, but for myself I feel better that nobody knows I have a gun.

                    It doesn’t bother me though if people want to open carry, I think it should be a personal choice. However, I’m far to the right on guns and think it’s bs I have to ask for permission and pay to get that written permission to carry a gun.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    It’s not surprising Ryan needs his safe place, that’s what happens when you spend your entire adult life making a living off taxpayers.

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                  • lovely's avatar lovely says:

                    I agree completely that is why I CC. Personally I am always happy to see the open carry folks though. I never feel safer than when I am at the range.

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    • lovely's avatar lovely says:

      Thank you oldiaguy a very insightful video.

      The savages of Islam and the corrupt PTB can go to hell.

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  12. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Why is sitting in an airport lounge for 5 hours so frowned upon when people sit all day in coffee shops? Hypocrites!

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    • WeeWeed's avatar WeeWeed says:

      IKR??? I always head for the lounge whilst stuck in airports. USED to, ya’s could smoke in there……

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        These new club/lounges have showers too. Free food and booze coffee for 5 hours.

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      • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

        Uuuhhhhhhhh ( long drawn-out Homer Simpson drooling sigh) smoooooookkkkkiiinnngggggg. Oh I miss it…….

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      • michellc's avatar michellc says:

        Can’t smoke anywhere these days even outside and hotels smoking rooms are becoming a thing of the past. I told my DH since almost all hotels were non-smoking, some chain should start being the only all smoking hotel and they’d make a killing.

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        • lovely's avatar lovely says:

          I don’t think people are even free to choose whether or not their hotel is going to allow smoking, Nanny says no smoking unless you are exempt from the law such as the Indian owned casino hotels.

          Do you know the reason Boy Paul Ryan gives for sleeping on a cot in his office and bathing in the boys room is that the previous squatter of the apartment John Boehner was a smoker and the room offends Boy Ryan’s sensitivities.

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          • auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

            I was so grateful when they offered non-smoking rooms in hotels. Stale leftover smoke stinks so bad and the mattress and the sheets would smell strongly of smoke. A smoker might not notice it because they would be used to the smell. But, if you don’t smoke it is a big deal. I used to avoid staying in hotels unless I absolutely had to.

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            • Stella's avatar stella says:

              I remember when I quit smoking. I had to wash every surface in my bedroom – walls, ceiling, floor – even re-cleaned clothing still in bags from the dry cleaner.

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            • lovely's avatar lovely says:

              I’m a non smoker, I’ve never smoked and I agree that smoking stinks up rooms, clothes and other things. That said Ryan could at the expense of the tax payers have the apartment gutted, new floors, new paint, all new furniture and there would be very little lingering stink if he did so.

              I think Ryan is an odd, odd man, I think it is odd that he stays in his office on a cot and bathes in the locker room, they say that several people do it but he is the highest ranking rat to nest in his office.

              I’m happy to stay in smoke free hotel rooms, I am not happy that Uncle Sam at the point of a gun tells private citizens that they cannot allow people to smoke in their hotels it is none of Uncle Sam’s business.

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          • michellc's avatar michellc says:

            I think it depends on the state’s laws. I know our governor has done her best to try to ban smoking everywhere in our state, but I think the hotels can still choose to have smoking and non-smoking rooms or be all non-smoking.

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            • lovely's avatar lovely says:

              In WI you cannot smoke in any indoor space that is a workplace because you are inflicting your smoke on employees who are “forced” to be there. I believe there is also a range outside of many buildings that is a prohibited space.

              Two years ago I went for the first time to a casino in Milwaukee (Potowanomi) to meet some friends and I was shocked that people were smoking inside of the building. There was a non smoking area in the bingo section but it was of course filled with smoke. The casino is sovereign Indian ground so they are not bound by WI smoking regulations.

              The casino has a hotel attached. We stayed in a non smoking room and I believe that all the rooms are non smoking as the person I was staying with is a smoker and had to go outside or to the casino to smoke.

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              • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                I think businesses should make that choice not the government.
                I think there should be rules in offices so those who don’t want to be around smoke don’t have to be and instead have designated smoking areas.
                When it comes to restaurants, hotels, casinos, bars, etc. though it should be up to the owners and non-smokers can choose to not go if they allow smoking and smokers can choose to not go if they don’t allow smoking.
                Our governor tried to ban it in all businesses, but some fought back and they won although restaurants that have smoking had to spend a lot of money to do so because they have to have non-smoking as well and the smoking section has to be totally enclosed and self contained with special ventilation.
                A truck stop near us has one of the rooms and one night when we were getting home really late we stopped in there to get something to eat. We were eating in the non-smoking section and this lady was complaining to the waitress that they were smoking in the other room. The waitress was explaining how the smoke could not get into this section and she still complained because she could see into the room and see them smoking. My husband whose seat was backed up to hers turned around and told her to move to the other side of the table where her back would be to the evil smokers and problem solved she wouldn’t be seeing them.

                She got mad and asked to be moved to another table so she wouldn’t have to sit by such rude people. She did us a huge favor because her whining and complaining about everything was getting on our nerves. lol

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                • lovely's avatar lovely says:

                  I agree.

                  I also like you family’s style.

                  I was dating a Marine. We were at a movie and the couple behind us were talking. First I turned around and give them “the look” to no avail. Then my date turned around and gave them the look, they kept talking so my date turned around and asked them nicely to quit talking. The tough fella said “If you don’t like it why don’t you sit somewhere else, there are lots of seats open.”

                  My date said “OK,” he then stood up, stepped over the back of the seat and sat down right next to the smart mouthed jerk. Neither one of the loud mouthed jerks said a word for the rest of the movie 🙂

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                • Stella's avatar stella says:

                  I like your husband! Where I worked, I was glad that they banned smoking in work areas. For a long time, there was an indoor area where smokers could go and take a smoke break. Then the state moved in and made that illegal too, so employees now have to go outside or to their cars to smoke.

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                  • michellc's avatar michellc says:

                    That is what I have a problem with, the state telling businesses what they have to do. Why can’t they and their workers and/or customers decide for themselves?

                    I’m usually the one getting snippy at people, but this time he was tired and she kept yapping in his ear, so I guess he had enough. lol

                    The nanny state is trying to get it where it’s illegal to smoke outside or in your car.

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              • Stella's avatar stella says:

                As a former smoker, I appreciate having non-smoking facilities, but I don’t like the government making rules for private businesses. That being said, there is only one restaurant that I know of that had an effective way of keeping the smoke out of the non-smoking area, and I don’t know how they did it.

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:

      Who frowns on it? This is surprising to me. What are you supposed to be doing? Is it too elite or something?

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    • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

      Perhaps because people don’t want to admit that paying what they do for a cup of joe in a boutique coffee shop is nigh onto insanity? Glamorizing stupidity.

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      • Pam's avatar Pam says:

        But it just makes you so cool! So trendy. So..so… (I ran out.)

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          So…so…full of s*** as a Christmas goose.

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          • Pam's avatar Pam says:

            Thanks….that too. I went to Starbucks once because my daughter repeatedly begged me to go. She had a friend who was a musician, and he was playing one night at one of them. I have to say, she got me this pumpkin latte but she made them change the espresso to regular coffee (can’t take espresso). It was really good. So we sat there, drinking our things, and listening to this guy. B o r i n g. I was nice though.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              New Orleans used to be THE US coffee port and we have some local coffee houses I prefer to Starbucks. We still roast coffees locally so you can get fresh blends as well as the designer creations. Some have comfortable couches and chairs, some have free newspapers, some have live local musicians (no shortages there) or combinations of offerings but none have the pretentiousness of Starbucks. Super local foods and pastries also featured at some.

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              • Stella's avatar stella says:

                Historically, both here and in Europe, coffee houses were the place to go to discuss politics.

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                • Pam's avatar Pam says:

                  Don’t forget the hippies and the coffee houses. The angst! The horrid, depressing poetry and sad, sad music. Never went to one. I don’t think they had them where I lived.

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                • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                  Hysterically, due to the proximity of a couple of my favorite coffee shops to progressive universities, I strenuously AVOID talking politics there.

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  13. nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

    Why oh why do guests next door repeat the same historical misinformation provided by Glenn Beck a few years ago? Is it an effort to sound smart? Get followers? SMH
    History books in the stores and used in college classes are the opinion of people with their own agenda and interpretations.

    The more letters, newspapers and personal journals I read from the time periods I’m interested in have made me realize just how little we Americans know about world history or our own prior to our own lifetimes.

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    • Pam's avatar Pam says:

      I’ve stopped reading political thread comments there, but sometimes I get stupid again and do it once in a while. Sometimes I’ll read about four comments and then remind myself. Get out! Once in a while I let myself get sucked in by one comment. Then I remember later – Dummy! . 🙂

      As far as history, I’ll never have time or be able to dig down to find whatever truth there is. I don’t think I understand the truth of what has gone on in my lifetime. When I was young, I remember once thinking “I want to know everything about the world.” I apparently thought that was possible.

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        I’ve lost all trust in the honesty of athoritive figures.

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        • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

          I’m m not sure I ever had any. At least in the live or recently deceased ones.

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          • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

            Lord I read that too fast, thought you’d written: “…live or recently dressed ones.” Seems to me that by the time you dress-out a pol or pol pundit there ain’t that much meat left.

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        • Pam's avatar Pam says:

          That happened to me a few years ago. It’s odd really. I don’t trust any authority, leader or prospective leader, anywhere. The only exception is if I personally know him/her. So, since I don’t personally know any, there you go. I don’t seem to have a problem trusting you guys here, and we all don’t KNOW each other. I could be a big, fat, lying lunatic for all you know.

          I trust God, but we are told over and over we cannot truly understand His mind or what He is doing at any point in time. So it has to be faith. I do trust the one priest who is my spiritual director. I’ve seen enough to know him. He is good, maybe even approaching something like holy. I only have contact with him about once every six months however.

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        • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

          I dunno, I still trust Sofia Viagra…uhhh…Vergara, she’s an authoritative figure …

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    • SwissMike (formerly ZurichMike)'s avatar ZurichMike says:

      What were they saying? (just curious)

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      • nyetneetot's avatar nyetneetot says:

        The useal stuff about everything starting in the universities in the 1930s. Like before then everything was perfect. I never hear a thing about the socialist groups standing on soap boxes of the 1840s never a peep about the revolutions that swept Europe at that time and the groups here. Nope. Just the Glenn Beck chalkboard version of history that started with W. Wilson.

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        • Pam's avatar Pam says:

          I found out so much about how this stuff started in America by reading Taylor Caldwell’s books. I hope nobody comes along and tells me she was full of it, because they were really good and fascinating. The 1800’s. The giants of industry, the beginning of the ideologies coming into universities, bankers… and politicians grubbing around with all of them. Even globalist activities, where they would travel to Europe and have meetings.

          And there were the American people, out in their towns, believing every politician that showed up at their big 4th of July festivities and said all the patriotic things. Then, slowly, they would show up and start talking about ideas like Manifest Destiny. The people looked up to them and drank it all in.

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          • Menagerie's avatar Menagerie says:

            Many years ago her book The Captains And The Kings was a favorite of mine. I always meant to re-read it but I never did.

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            • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

              I was always an Upton Sinclair fan for the beginnings of the US union movement and works of Reed and Hsywood for how the Communists co-opted them. Hat was back when I gave a rat’s haunches and just took the path that said US unions should be declared a national infection and disinfected into extinction. Final straw was in the late 70s when unions striking the petro distribution system threatened to shoot any trucks transporting POL and we Army types had to ride armed with a shotgun driver as they said they couldn’t guarantee the safety of our olive drab military vehicles.

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            • Pam's avatar Pam says:

              I re-discovered her in our local library when we moved here. This woman was really smart I think. They would try to sell her books as love stories, putting titillating (for the time) pictures on the cover. They were anything but love stories. I don’t know how she knew so much, because it’s like she could explain everything, the personalities, the way different people thought, all the stuff going on behind the facade. I do know she would do unbelievable amounts of research. She brought the eras and the people to life and you could see into the minds of the characters. It has been for me the absolutely best way to understand how it started and progressed. And she had the understanding of how spiritual matters fit into the whole. Her Christian characters weren’t the typical thing you would expect. She got the good vs evil thing down, from the core, not the surface Christianity.

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              • Pam's avatar Pam says:

                Correction: Some of them were love stories, not the bodice-ripping, sex stuff. The love was the hard, reality, sacrificing love. But that was just part of the story; it wove through the whole picture.

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              • czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

                Sounds a bit like Ann Rice since she’s shifted away from her old vampire genre to a more bodice-tearing Christian style. I like her newer style, I never was a werewolf/vampire fan ( trying to avoid saying I thought it sucked and puns to that affect) but she has a way with setting a religious fiction that keeps you interested. I suppose it will cost me a stretch in purgatory but maybe they’ll let me bring a couple of her books along for light reading.

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  14. ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

    Being Sunday,
    Johnny Paycheck:
    The Outlaw’s Prayer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VsF8sCGec

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  15. ImpeachEmAll's avatar ImpeachEmAll says:

    Take a few moments of time,
    listen to the Rolling Thunder
    video, starting around 18:50.

    It defines this year’s purpose.
    (Bringing home live POW’s)

    Trump to speak at Rolling Thunder motorcycle rally in D.C.

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  16. MaryfromMarin's avatar MaryfromMarin says:

    A day early, but still…

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  17. auscitizenmom's avatar auscitizenmom says:

    Stella, I finally watched the American Masters Highwaymen show. It was so great to watch. I didn’t realize what that association was about. I had been a fan of Johnny Cash since the 50’s and of Willie since he started singing, I guess. I really enjoyed it and saved it to watch again.

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  18. czarowniczy's avatar czarowniczy says:

    ONA whatta day. Prepped 65 feet of row and laid out trellising for climbing squash and cucumbers. Thermometer said 96 this afternoon, saving grace was it was only 31% humidity. Amazing how much work you can get done in the last three hours before sundown when the temps drop and the sun’s below the treeline.

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  19. lovely's avatar lovely says:

    This my friends is not a future snowflake.

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