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How very sad.
I am woefully behind in trying to understand the legal situaiton — state versus fed, private landowner versus federal landowner, court decisions, injunctions, federal regulations, who said what when, and what really happened. I would imagine if this were Ferguson and the person shot were black, we’d have more news coverage of this event.
But for now, some prayers for this man and his family.
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I’ve read such hateful comments on Facebook about this man personally, and his family. A man is dead, and his family in mourning. The human, compassionate, action is to pray for them.
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Amen!
I had to stop reading, I couldn’t take it.
I honestly believe he was trying his best to protect those in the truck with him. I know some say he was going to go down fighting, but I believe he made the decision at that moment in time to draw them away from those in the truck and was willing to die to save them. It takes a very good man who is willing to risk or give up his own life to protect others.
However, even if he was a horrible person, his family loved him and anyone who would go their pages and say horrible things about him are very evil people.
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Do we know that LaVoy was shot in the back? His funeral is set for February 5th, does anyone know if his body has been released yet? My personal opinion is that he was shot in the back/left side of his head by the officer emerging from the tree line.
I don’t see LaVoy physically reacting to a gun shot, other than literally dropping dead, I believe he was dead before he hit the ground. The footage is terrible so I could be wrong.
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I’ve stepped away from the CfCF for many reasons.
First and foremost it is a story that troubles my soul and my conscience. It breaks my heart for these men, for their families and for our country.
I do not think that they were or are mad men.
I think they are men who themselves, their families and friends have been under assault by the federal government gone mad, they have lived under the point of a federal gun for a very long time.
I believe they made a decision that was long in coming but was still a split second decision in the moment they actually decided to make an armed stand at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.
How long is the federal government going to be allowed to abuse the constitution and the citizens of the United States?
I believe the CfCF asked themselves this question for what was likely the thousandth time. They made a decision this time to say, no more, not today, this is the hill I will die on or this is the hill where we wake America up. It was not a dispassionate well thought out decision. It cost LaVoy his life, which he said he was willing to give, and likely the rest of the people who were there many years of their freedom and all terrible consequences that come along with that loss of freedom.
The CfCF were on their way to meet with likeminded people.
There was no way the government was ever going to allow that to happen. The honest man never gives full credit to the deviousness of the evil man. This meeting was never going to happen, it could not be allowed. I wish that those involved with the CfCF understood this simple truth before they left the MWR.
What is the answer to our government’s war on the constitution and personal liberties? I don’t know. I am not advocating for the taking up of arms but I do understand the events that led the CfCF to that hill.
My heart is with the spirit of their cause if not with their actions. And in the end the CfCF saw that their actions would not lead where they wanted them to lead. America is in a coma not a gentle slumber.
LaVoy Finicum was man who loved, he took a stand for liberty because of that love.
God, country, family.
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I know there is a lot of hate and evil in the world and in our country. I see it all around us. Seeing the amount of it in one place though was more than my heart and soul could take.
I know what these men were fighting for and I know what brought them to this point.
For years those of us who were aware and had friends going through it or had gone through it, one thing we always said was that somehow we had to make the American people aware and how do we make them pay attention. Nothing never seemed to work. More people are aware now and these men made that happen. It’s already to late for many and is too late for some today who are to the point they can no longer hang on. My hope is that it’s not too late for those remaining who are small in numbers now.
Like I wrote on the post at CTH, those who are just now becoming aware, I hope will not just forget. I hope he didn’t die in vain and that people will continue fighting even if all they can do is pray.
Ultimately, it’s a fight for ourselves, because like I’ve always told people who asked why I care so much, today it’s the large ranches, tomorrow it’s the small ranches, but eventually it will be me and you even if you’ve never turned soil or touched a cow.
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http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/02/how-far-does-criminal-responsibilty-go.html
Lamecherry, yes, but does provide a scenario and evidence, as to how things progressed to the killing of LaVoy. She(?) likens it to, if you flash your breaks in heavy traffic and cause a major pileup, are you responsible, and would you even care?
The government, through its agents, provoked, mismanaged, and manipulated this group to act, to take a stand, and then orchestrated their demise. The government was not going to let them out of the county, to where the protesters were to have sanctuary, and be heard, under a law abiding sherriff.
The government is responsible for this tragedy that took this man’s life, and sent two more men to prison where one more may die before being released, and all of the events leading up to it.
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That I think has been lost on many people. They want to focus on whether the shooting itself was justified and the honest truth about that is we will never know without better video and audio. With what we have everyone can form an opinion but nobody knows for 100% fact that he was reaching for something or was reaching for a wound or was told to drop his weapon and was reaching for that.
I do have a problem with the FBI saying he had a 9mm in his pocket. I have now saw the videos of him also wearing a shoulder holster. That makes very little sense to me why he would remove that holster and put the gun in his pocket.
The actual shooting though was brought about because of the government. Why do people think men and women left their homes and their families? The government has pushed them to that point and I’ve tried numerous times to try and make people understand the legal way has been tried for generations. Being nice and writing letters to politicians and media has been done for generations. All the while, the government and their partners who are environmental and animal rights groups have been committing criminal acts against them.
Which is something else that has been lost in the weeds, we support these groups with our money. They receive grants and they sue the government with a wink and a nod and the government pays out.
That day the government decided to end it and they didn’t care if it was going to add to the distrust many people have of them. That alone should throw up red flags to people.
So many other ways they could have arrested them if that was the only goal. Why do it in a way that was going to cause even more people to question and distrust them?
Whether the shooting was justified or not from a legal standpoint. The actions by the government were not justified that day. Those actions took the life of a man and imho God had his hands on the rest of them or they would not be here today.
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Hear, hear!
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Sheet! That went deep inside my being and wrenched me.
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Thank you everyone for your kindness and understanding about this dreadful situation at Malheur and in Burns Oregon. I live in this state and I am ashamed. I’m convinced that the evil in this state is much more common than most Oregonians realize. The urban people are burying their heads in the quicksand – nothing to see here, have another sip of this delightful wine, darling, I think you will adore it!
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http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2016/02/02/chilling-details-emerge-oregon/#
I’m not sure about the validity of the info on this article. It was posted today, February 2, 2016 by Sean Brown. I am quoting directly from the article….”The investigative blog LozzaFun1 had more information about Finicum’s death, which seemed more like an assassination if you actually watched the video, and according to Barbara Davis, things are exactly as they appeared to be. If you remember, the FBI claims that they found a 9mm pistol in Finicum’s pocket after searching his lifeless body, but there’s eyewitness reports that he and the people with him purposefully left the weapons at the refuge in case they ran into law enforcement.”
Comment in the article says he was shot 9 times.
If I’m out of line by posting here or posting incorrectly, please let me know.
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