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General Discussion, Wednesday, January 2, 2019
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Well…..maybe.
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Alternatively:
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Good morning Mary 🙂 !
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Good morning, lovely! Beautiful 2nd day of 2019!
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I love the sweet ballerinas in blue. Morning Mary!
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I figured a choice would be a good idea after the first image.
Mornin’, s and s ! Twitter will have to take a back seat to getting ready for school to begin again next Monday!
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😊
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I vote for the beautiful chidren in blue
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Apparently you are not alone!
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I’d have bet this crowd would vote for pix #2. Pretty always wins over ungainly & weirdly posed.
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This demonstrates what the Demoncrats are and how tolerant they are:
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Perfect. Good morning Aus 🙂 !
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Morning auscitizenmom!
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I watched very few of these, but I remember this one. It was so cruel. Also I think little children innately are drawn to beauty, and I realized it is the devil who wants to destroy beauty. Little children are drawn to beauty and good until they are brainwashed to desire the ugly and perverse, and then they become filled with hate.
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W. Clement Stone…
https://www.britannica.com/biography/W-Clement-Stone
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Today I was rummaging around BrainyQuote and ran across this quote attributed to Aristotle: “We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.”
It was actually written in 1926 by Will Durant, in “The Story of Philosophy: The Lives and Opinions of the World’s Greatest Philosophers” as he was summing up some of Aristotle’s thoughts. Whoever said it, I like it.
THE ART OF “QUOTEMANSHIP” AND “MISQUOTEMANSHIP”
http://blogs.umb.edu/quoteunquote/2012/05/08/its-a-much-more-effective-quotation-to-attribute-it-to-aristotle-rather-than-to-will-durant/
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Nice, thanks Lucille I’ll check out the site later today 🙂 .
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It’s difficult to know today what is a correct attribution and what is not. I also read one where Hemingway was supposed to be using the “you know” tacked on the end of a declaration of his. Now does it sound like Hemingway to use the “you know” in a late 20th Century/early 21st Century manner? Anything is possible, of course..and perhaps he was the originator of the two-word annoyance…LOL!
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I had a teacher in school who went to great lengths to stamp out students’ habitually saying things like ummm, hmmm, and any filler words or sentence interruptions back in the day before you know was a thing.
I don’t have those habits to this day, and I would bet most of her students don’t. I absolutely hate to hear people repeatedly put that in a sentence.
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Thanks for the quotes and the website. I too, will check it out.
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Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 🍸 (earthquake)
Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 (Tom Collins)
Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 (Black & Tan)
Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 (Boilermaker)
Mornin’ czarina33! (aka czarina) 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 (Irish Car Bomb)
Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 (Godfather)
Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 (Mortlach)
Mornin’ Wooly Covfefe! (aka “Wooly Phlox” aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 (Roy Rogers)
Mornin’ Howie! (aka “doodahdaze”) 🙂 (Classic Daiquiri)
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 (Gin & Tonic)
Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 (Blackberry wine)
Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (Gentleman Jack Whiskey Sling)
Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 (Backdraft)
Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 (Stinger)
Mornin’ Les! 🙂 (Rusty Nail)
Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 (Jack Daniels)
Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 (Whiskey Smash)
Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 (B52)
Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 (Rum & Coke)
Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Kamikaze)
Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 (Night Train Express)
Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂 (Albanian Raki Moskat)
Mornin’ rheavolans! (aka “Rhea Salacia Volans”) 🙂 (Hot Buttered Rum)
Mornin’ joshua! 🙂 (Mudslide)
Mornin’ John Denney! 🙂 (RumChata)
Mornin’ litenmaus! 🙂 (Stolichnaya elit, no ice)
Mornin’ kinthenorthwest! 🙂 🍸 (A Lonely Island Lost in the Middle of a Foggy Sea)
Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 (Smoking Bishop)
Mornin’ patternpuzzler! 🙂 🍸 (Old Lady)
Mornin’ Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG! 🙂 (Red Russian)
Mornin’ G-d&Country! 🙂 🍸 (Blind Russian)
Mornin’ Gary! 🙂 (Yuengling)
Mornin’ valeriecurren! 🙂 🍸 (Flaming Sambuca)
Mornin’ Lucille! 🙂 🍸 (Peach Schnapps)
Mornin’ Lburg! 🙂 🍸 (Lburg lemonade)
Mornin’ davidhuntpe! 🙂 (Baileys Irish Cream on the rocks)
Mornin’ skipper1961! 🙂 (Brompton’s Cocktail – No cherry, no umbrella, no plastic monkey)
Mornin’ mightyconservative! 🙂 (Benjamin Franklin’s clarified milk punch)
Mornin’ NC Nana! 🙂 🍸 (Beautiful)
Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕
Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance!
Breakfast!
NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!
Nutella Hot Chocolate With Wild Turkey Spiced Bourbon
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Good morning Nyet 🙂 !
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Morning Nyet! Thank you for breakfast!
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Good morning, Nyet! Just some hot chocolate for me this ayem. I’m off to Park City, Utah to picket in front the pathetic globalist sell-out’s home (can I have my 2012 vote back, please!)…
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I looked up the Opera House in the top photo: Telluride.
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Yup.
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Have a beautiful day folks, somehow, I think her house was the house that the neighborhood kids spent a lot of time at 🙂 !
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Now that’s a lot of cookies! Cute little girl! Morning lovely!
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That’s right, one for each hand!
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Happy New Year Czarina 🙂 My daughter’s boyfriend’s grandparents sent homemade fudge – walnut and pecan, one for each hand!
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I dearly love fudge. Wish I had the energy to make it again! I did find a really good quickie way, but still just too much for me. I ought to look into ordering it maybe?
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I don’t know a good company to order fudge from but I’m sure someone here would 🙂 . We have a little shop that makes it but I haven’t bought fudge in years.
When I was a kid there a great big guy, huge rotund man, he traveled with a carnival making and selling fudge. He said that he knew all the fudge that he ate would kill him some day so he used what would one day be headstone as his fudge making slab. The guy was a happy soul.
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How do you make your fudge? My mom made the old-fashioned Hershey’s fudge, but I have never gotten it to come out right.
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I’m sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have been a bit under the weather. I can’t remember the recipe I used way back when, but I know it was either in a Good Housekeeping Cookbook, or Betty Crocker. I think I still have those books and will try to look for them this week, but I have a few appointments coming up and things will follow from there, but I won’t forget you and I will get back to you. I did find a video that is very similar to the way I first did fudge, although I don’t recall oiling the pan. I may have, my memory being what it is, but I don’t think so. I then went to a recipe for what I call easy fudge, again in one of those same cookbooks. With that one, you cook the butter and sugar first, then take off the heat and by steps add other ingredients, no milk, it uses the marshmallow cream. Much easier and quite good.
http://dish.allrecipes.com/perfect-fudge/
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It ended up in spam, so here it is! Thanks for taking the time. I hope you feel better soon!
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I am so happy you found it. I’m just a little wore down. I’ll hunt those books up first chance I get. Thanks you, Stella, much appreciated. See you soon.
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I can’t find my books and I suspect they were thrown out, not by me! I have been searching online for the Betty Crocker, what I call easy fudge, but haven’t found it yet. I’m still looking!
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I’ll check my Betty Crockers too (I have 3 versions going back to the 1950’s).
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I’m almost positive it was a Christmas cookbook, and I have hunted images and just not sure. I’m pretty sure it had a wreath of the cover. I can tell you the ingredients and the steps, but I don’t remember amounts. Would you like me to do that? Maybe since you cook a lot you’ll be able to figure it? It seems like the amounts ought to be near whatever recipes you use, it simply substitutes marshmallow creme for cream and uses evaporated milk.
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That would be helpful. Thanks for your perseverance!
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I typed a long comment. IDK where it went. I’ll get back here tomorrow and type it again. Just tired right now. I hope you are well.
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Hi, Stella. I’m answering you here because I think down below it will get real skinny.
Here’s what I remember about the recipe, again, without measurements.
Combine sugar, evaporated milk and butter in a medium saucepan and cook over medium heat. Keep stirring. When it comes to a boil, (still over medium heat) stir continuously for 5 minutes. Remove from heat after the 5 minutes.
Here’s the part I don’t remember. You either fold in your chocolate chips then, or you fold in your marshmallow creme. I don’t remember which comes first and which comes second.
After that you add vanilla extract and after that you add nuts if you’d like. pour into your buttered pan or whatever you’d like, then refrigerate.
I really hate that I can’t find that book. They had an easy white chocolate with cherries fudge that I was itching to try. Hopefully I’ll stumble over it one day!
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Hi Stella. I found a recipe that’s pretty much what I had. At least it will give you some measurements. I hope the link doesn’t take up too much space.
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/228782/the-original-fantasy-fudge/
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Ahhhh….Telluride again. I was complaining about the 62-degree temps, cloudy skies and general dampness yesterday until I talked to my son in Denver. He was outside in the snow and single-digit temps fixing a hose bib that had frozen and burst.
Snow’s something I might lie to visit again but as a regular occurance, I think not.
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I spoke with a jeep driver when I was in Telluride. He told me that he left Colorado in the winter for warmer environs, only returning when the snow had (mostly) melted. It’s a beautiful place in the summer and autumn (which is when I visited).
ADD: As you probably know, that part of Colorado gets LOTS of snow!
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I sent my son a case of baby formula last week and he found it yesterday…as hec was shoveling off his porch.
I used to like going hunting on December 31st when we lived out west, it was the last day on the the hunting licence. It wasn’t unusual for us to be up in the mountain valleys slogging through waist deep snow. Now it’s ankle deep mud.
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Mornin’ y’all! What fresh hell……
https://twitter.com/TheFarSide_ish/status/1080120012625477633
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Mornin’ WeeWeed!
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Mornin’ Stella!
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Morning WeeWeed!
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Mornin’ S&S!
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Good morning, WeeWeed! This cartoon was also in that same Twitter feed…hahahahahaha:
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Mornin’ Lucy!
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LOL
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Morning Wee 🙂 !
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Evenin’ Lovely!
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LOL Hi, Wee!
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I took my little doggie in to the vet for the last time today. I do so hope our doggies and kitty babies will be there waiting for us when we get to Heaven.
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I’m so sorry, mom. I’m sure they will be. Hugs.
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{{{USMom}}} So sad. I know how you feel.
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I dont see why they wouldnt be. She gave you one last Christmas and New Year’s as her final gift. You gave her your love and peace. Im sorry you had to let her go.
🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺💗💗💗💗
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Oh, aus, I’m so sorry…I know she was simply LOVE in a fur skin.
If we take it literally that the lions will lie down with the lambs, then I see no reason why our dogs and other animals won’t be present with us, jumping about and catching sticks, and happily sitting at the throne of God showing their love of their Creator.
As my dear mother used to say (much to the shock of her friends at church), “Dogs are better than people.”
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It’s not true.
I know people who say this, too. Animal lovers, with lots of dogs, cats, and pet prize exotic chickens and goats. They are very mean, hateful people. They just love their animals.
They mean it when they say “I love animals more than people.”
No human empathy whatsoever in them.
I love people more than animals. If a train were about to hit my Bossman or Tripod, on two tracks, I’d save my Bossman. Sorry, Tripod.
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Do you ever give it a rest? Seriously, in this part of the thread, you say that? You’re mixing apples and oranges, but worse, you completely set aside compassion for Aus. That’s the paramount issue here. I don’t care what you said below, this was totally unnecessary.
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I am so sorry aus. {{{hugs}}}.
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When we have to do that we just try and concentrate on how much what life we shared was bettered by each other’s being there.
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I am so sorry aus. I’ve been there and I know the loss and pain you feel. Sending hugs to you.
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So sorry ((((Aus)))). Thank you for loving her so much.
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My heart hurts and my eyes cry for you.
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Exactly. Perfect words.
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They will be, Aus. The Rainbow Bridge is a real thing, I think.
I have a whole passel waiting for me. Both cats and dogs. I’ma be inundated with ’em, and I better have treats when I get there.
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I like to think that.
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I am so sorry Aus. I have been there 3 times now and it just hurts. Sending hugs your way.
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Today’s painting is a ridiculous, but colorful and fun version of daring exploits in early flight by Rudolph Belarski (1900 – 1983) He was an artist famous for his cover art mainly for Sci-Fi, Adventure and Pulp magazines during the 1930s, 40s and 50s.
I get a kick out of the “Deadstick Dart” name.
I think DH & I caught whatever is going around, and am soooo far behind in work after the shingles and epi-scleritis and now this, I’ll just be posting pics, saying “HI”, and scooting off to get things done. (I stack up the pics during insomnia time). Sorry, I want to say Hi to everyone’s comments, but I really am swamped with to-do’s.
Have a great day everyone!
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Hey Weedie! Oh, the lizard guy. He was a hoot. David Ickes, was that his name? Something like that. You know, I think he had those Bushes pegged though.
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https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1080546305678733312
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Just discovered that Costco sells Halal bone in goat cubes in the frozen food department.
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Selling Halal food is not a particular problem for me as long as the big box stores also sell Kosher or any other ethnic or religious food items people request. I find the Islamic method of slaughter disgusting, but then so are regular slaughter houses and stock yards.
It’s a good thing I don’t think about it too much, or I’d HAVE to become a vegetarian. Sorry, piggies, I love my bacon.
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Now, I do have a total objection to THIS…
New York City: Muslim Community Patrol now patrolling Muslim neighborhoods
January 1, 2019 1:30 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/01/new-york-city-muslim-community-patrol-now-patrolling-muslim-neighborhoods
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I don’t have a problem with it either; I was just surprised to see Costco selling goat.
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Oh, I see…that’d be a first for me to see it, too.
One thing I never see anymore is rabbit. We used to have it all the time when I was a kid.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen it in the supermarket. I worked with a guy whose family raised rabbits for market, though. Another thing I really like but you don’t see much is bison.
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Goat is common in Mexico, I know. Halal not so much.
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{spit}
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Ewww…
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Color me stupid. I’ve heard of goat’s milk but never heard of goat meat. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in a store. Maybe I saw it and didn’t realize what it was?
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I doubt that you have seen it. It is popular in the Middle East and in Mexico.
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It’s big in Carribean cooking, altho it seems they chop up the meat & bones together so you always get bone slivers. Also, our Indian restaurants serve goat curry, which is great (they don’t leave the slivered bone in).
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Do you know why it’s going to be a happy new year?
Because Hillary Clinton is still not our President.
I don’t care what you think about Trump. I would rather a stale ham sandwich be our President than that insane Marxist woman. Even that would be a happy new year. MAESHW again. Eating Stale Ham Sandwiches for the win.
Kidding, of course. Trump is what America ordered. We got Trump, and not UniParty. We’re going to order seconds in 2020.
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Yup. And Liz Warren is being sacrificed by the DNC so Trump can win again. They have to sacrifice her. They really have no choice. She can’t win, and they know it, but they have to do it. Perhaps just so they can say “Trump beats Native American Women!” Gotta keep that narrative going.
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I hate to be so optimistic, but I think the Democratic Party is done. Same with the GOP.
Trump will win 2020 in a landslide. Some other Alt-Right candidate will win again in 2024.
America is tired of both their s*&t, and showing it in the elections.
Europe is going the same way. Yellow vests, FTW. We’re tired of our betters, who know what’s best for us. Including importing vile criminals against our will. I’m thinking about buying a yellow vest myself.
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I really hate to be Eyore, but Americans have very short memories. Indeed, their attention span is outclassed by millions of ADHD kids in math classes.
President Trump should probably get a second term. By then if Dems haven’t seduced the ignorant again they will have enough illegals voting and lost ballots, fake ballots, and other means of cheating. They always up their cheating game.
And then there is the educational system, which is really just a massive indoctrination system. Most parents do not want to admit this, so they ignore it.
A lot of my opinions, especially the skeptical ones like these, come from raising my sons. In my direct experience, most parents did not question what their kids were doing, who they were with, and what happened at school, and they didn’t want anyone else to do it and drag them into it either.
If people don’t care enough about their kids to see to the details concerning their actions, whereabouts, safety, and education, they don’t care much for bigger issues. And those kids? Well now they are another more brainwashed and less involved generation, with some exceptions.
However, there were enough of us across generational lines who were sick enough of things to elect Presid Trump. There is always hope, and sometimes we win. No administration has accomplished what he has, with the whole damned Congress and media fighting him. It IS better for the working man. Maybe those who actually work hard and are bringing home a fatter paycheck will fight to keep it.
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I think it will come down to the wall issue. He’s done great in most other areas and I think some, IDK what percentage, voted single issue, wall. If he stands firm this time I truly believe it will be a landslide.
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It’s a new World Wooly. We either sink or swim. Time will tell.
The generation of virtue signalers has a lot of people who are embarrassed to be part of their own generation, it has its own cultural hero, anti-hero, hero in Kanye West and Kanye is dragging their NPC brains into a blinding light.
The Leftist mind numb culture icon following NPC are roused by Kanye whether they like it or not, they called him a genius a hero, the most woke of them all, now they will call him mentally ill again.
That’s ok the cat just bought his love a 14 million dollar condo.
The Antifa/NPC can hate us and ignore our life view. They can hate Kanye. But they can’t ignore him, that passage has not been created in their brains. The problem is they also love Kanye.
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1080212949464043520
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1080206642040340481
Kanye also tweeted “90% of blacks vote democrat. Sounds like slavery to me.”
Kanye has since deleted that tweet, my best people reading skills thrown on the table, Kanye deleted the tweet because the word slavery is a negative energy word. But just like the jury that heard the inadmissible evidence before the objection, the seed of the possibility of being able to get off the plantation is planted.
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Just go to the 5 minute mark and listen for a couple of minutes.
Will Lindsey Grahm get a finger wagging from Mitt Romney?
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Listen to the numbers. Starting at about 4:30.
He is using professional mass hypnotism techniques. Just like Obama does.
Obama does the same thing, live. Throw out numbers, to engage that side of the brain.
Click to access Obama’s_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf
Jordan B. Peterson does it too. And has fooled a lot of people with his arglebarble.
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How many numbers are thrown out by this guy for two minutes after 4:30? It’s sick.
And for most people? It works. It’s a proven technique. Get that math brain workin’, we can invade the right brain.
Welcome to the USA.
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I’ll say this about Lindsey Graham, he, unlike Mitt Romney is living in the World of President Trump, Romney is living in the pre-Trump world.
We need people like Graham to step up and wack some folks a time or two.
What I’m interested in from Graham is that he be an advocate of President Trump, and I believe that he is just that, and I’ll go so far as to say I believe that it is honest support. One thing I see as anecdotal evidence for my bent is that Graham was a hot potato when President Trump announced our withdrawal from Syria and we saw the old Graham/McCain monster rear its ugly head.If Graham was playing a role to get closer to President Trump as some kind of insider saboteur I don’t think that he would have responded to President Trump’s Syria announcement as he initially did.
Do I trust Graham ? Nope. Do I trust President Trump’s people skills? Absolutely.
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Democrats Use Bill to End Shutdown to Try to Restore Planned Parenthood Funding Trump Cut
By Steven Ertelt January 2, 2019 | 7:17PM WASHINGTON, DC
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/01/02/democrats-use-bill-to-end-shutdown-to-try-to-restore-planned-parenthood-funding-trump-cut/
The leftists will want to repeal and replace a lot of the great things President Trump has put in place, but OUR President will veto them.
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Yes he will.
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My bartender, a gay as heck dude — and cool as heck–, has a turntable, and lots of albums, mint condition. Knows who to trust with them. He has this on vinyl, and I’m actually jealous:
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lilbirdee12’s prayer:
Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.
Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.
Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.
Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.
We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.
In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.
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Amen.
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A prayer for Justice Kavanaugh and Col. Flynn:
Prayer to St. Michael
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle;
be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do you, O prince of the heavenly host,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan and the other evil spirits
who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.
In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.
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Amen.
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My muse:
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