General Discussion, Sunday, December 3, 2017

Posted on December 3, 2017 by Stella

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  2. nyetneetot says:
    December 3, 2017 at 12:55 am

    Due to spending 30-40 minutes daily hunting down and saying good morning to everyone wandering around in the thread looking for coffee and/or bacon in the pantry, I’m going to get this out of the way all in one shot:

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ czarina33! (aka czarina) 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Covfefe! (aka “Wooly Phlox” aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! (aka “doodahdaze”) 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (Gentleman Jack Whiskey Sling)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Kamikaze)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂 |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ Rhea Salacia Volans! 🙂 |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ joshua! 🙂 |_| (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ John Denney! 🙂 |_| (RumChata)
    Mornin’ litenmaus! 🙂 |_| (Stolichnaya elit, no ice)
    Mornin’ kinthenorthwest! 🙂 🍸 (A Lonely Island Lost in the Middle of a Foggy Sea)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Smoking Bishop)
    Mornin’ patternpuzzler! 🙂 🍸 (Old Lady)
    Mornin’ Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG! 🙂 |_| (Red Russian)
    Mornin’ G-d&Country! 🙂 🍸 (Blind Russian)
    Mornin’ Gary! 🙂 |_| (Yuengling)
    Mornin’ valeriecurren! 🙂 🍸 (Flaming Sambuca)
    Mornin’ Lucille! 🙂 🍸 (Peach Schnapps)
    Mornin’ Lburg! 🙂 🍸 (Lburg lemonade)
    Mornin’ davidhuntpe! 🙂 |_| (Baileys Irish Cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ skipper1961! 🙂 |_| (Brompton’s Cocktail – No cherry, no umbrella, no plastic monkey)
    Mornin’ mightyconservative! 🙂 |_| (Benjamin Franklin’s clarified milk punch)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Christmas Donuts

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  3. ImpeachEmall says:
    December 3, 2017 at 1:08 am

    Tonight, the moon gets the blame;
    should my meds be forgotten. 😉

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  4. Lburg says:
    December 3, 2017 at 6:29 am

    What a perfectly gorgeous photo, Stella. This one looks just like the Christmas of my childhood dreams!

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  5. sandandsea2015 says:
    December 3, 2017 at 6:51 am

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ivfH5c2bq64

    Two of my favorite Christmas song! Enjoy and have a great day!

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  6. czarowniczy says:
    December 3, 2017 at 8:40 am

    Thought I was going to get a few extra winks in as that 70ish one-way trip into NOLA i on the menu. Nope, come dawn the sound of closeby deer hunters shot that idea in the butt. Man proposes, Department of Fish and Wildlife disposes.

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  7. Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:
    December 3, 2017 at 8:47 am

    I always know when it’s my birthday. I always have Christmas cookies for breakfast!

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  8. WeeWeed says:
    December 3, 2017 at 9:10 am

    And from the “you can’t fix stupid dept.”…… Mornin’ y’all!

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/937131540529799168

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  9. stella says:
    December 3, 2017 at 10:05 am

    My daughter and SIL brought me some coffee as a hostess gift last week. It is excellent coffee, roasted in Warrenville, IL by Two Brothers Coffee Roasters. They are also brewers. The one they brought is a medium roast, Kenya Nyeri Kiama Kiangundo. Very expensive also, so I won’t be purchasing on a regular basis, for sure.

    I see they have more reasonably priced offerings, so I may try one of those.

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  11. joshua says:
    December 3, 2017 at 10:37 am

    well….if the liberals were in charge of Christmas Carols it might go like this…except it has a sense of humor attached….

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  12. lovely says:
    December 3, 2017 at 10:49 am

    Yes haw! Allan Dershowitz kicks Mueller’s witch hunt down his throat and out his derrière.

    Dershowitz is almost giddy with laughter and contempt for Mueller, he’s salivating at a chance to cross examine a witness whose sole crime is lying about something that was illegal. Mueller through this charge has impugned his star witness. Stupid Mueller go to bed.

    We the American people want our money back for this farce and for all the pervert payouts and cow fart testing and global warming initiatives and…….

    Meanwhile both Bryan Ross and Behar and their networks should be sued until their eyeball bleed for defamation.

    This was fake news, text book propaganda. Bryan Ross has been suspended for propagating it. The stock markets plunged because of their fake news.

    What a time to be alive. Fight like there is no tomorrow, live like you are surrounded by God’s embrace.

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  13. derk says:
    December 3, 2017 at 11:07 am

    Morning Stella, Stellars,
    Gorgeous photo once again, thank you. Although no real desire to go to Italy, this has swayed my opinion and would love to see in person.
    Drove across Bay Bridge last night, where a driver had smashed through a tool booth in a semi killing the poor worker there. What a way to go, NOT!
    But evidentially, driver is arrested on manslaughter. Hmmm. Driving a truck wrecklessly will put you in jail but not firing a gun in same manner. Go figure.
    My mother was finally moved to a rehab facility from the hospital she’s been in for almost three weeks now, radiation may be next step, but things don’t look good. Some tougher decisions coming up.
    Breakfast with my son this morning, golf with the SIL and a brother, then a Holiday Faire with my daughter and her trailer this afternoon before heading back up via mom. Hopefully catch the supermoon rising, maybe as we drive back across the bridge.

    Have a great day y’all!

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    • lovely says:
      December 3, 2017 at 11:16 am

      Morning Derk! Prayers for your mom continue 🙏🏼. Have a beautiful day!

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    • joshua says:
      December 3, 2017 at 11:31 am

      why I always set up the coffee the night before and have it on a timer to come on just before I roll out of bed to feed the dogs.

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    • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:
      December 3, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      Loving feelings being sent out for your family, Derk. I’m praying for you.

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    • Sharon says:
      December 3, 2017 at 1:45 pm

      Derk – you’re walking a hard path that you did not choose. One of the things that makes it hard is that when a family member is involved we desperately want to make that “right decision” that we know we will be living with going forward.

      There are no perfect decisions on the part of humans in such hard places. The decision-making will flow out of the best information available to you. Out of hearts full of aching love and longing. and awareness of our limits. (The rest of this comment just illustrates my point – please take these two paragraphs as a stand alone verbal hug for you and your family. You will do the best you can with the information you have – and it will be enough.)

      Four days before my mother died in 1995, I got a frantic call from the admitting area of the hospital emergency room adjacent to the nursing home where she had lived in sinking years that included dementia and an aortic aneurysm that had been “ready to go” for years. This night – two things were on the table: she was simply dying, all systems giving up (she was 93) AND – I, being the youngest of seven adult children and having no official documented role in medical decisions, was the first and only one of us that the nursing staff could reach that night.

      They were calling me to tell me that they were admitting her. I KNEW that her DNR had been on file for years, so my question was “WHY”? All I could think of was those old brittle bones breaking under the resuscitation efforts that would likely be part and parcel that night……when I understood that there was no “medical event” that could be reverse, I just said, “No. You must not admit her. Take her back to her room and her own bed.”

      The problem was this: THE NURSING HOME HAD MISPLACED THE DNR PAPERWORK!! If they had been “able to find it” they would never have been calling me at all – or any of us. When I understood that, I begged and insisted, “NO! You cannot do this to her.” As I frantically tried to think how to persuade them, being 500 miles away, I thought of my cousin who was in her ’60s at this point, had lifelong professional status as “the county nurse” there in eastern Montana, and who had provided much of Mom’s personal care during her last years because none of us 7 kids lived closer than me. And I said – – – ‘You know Gloria K -??? You do???? Call Gloria K and she will confirm to you that the DNR was/is real, and that you must NOT admit her for the reasons you describe.”

      Thank God they acceded to my request. They called dear cousin Gloria. Thank God they knew very well of her and her sterling reputation… That was Saturday night. My mother died on Tuesday night.

      The next morning, I sat down at the piano and sang, “I will meet you in the morning —” and sang, sobbing, with tears running down my face. I was just about to turn fifty and felt the feelings of an orphan child. An orphan child with faith.

      Faith does not make the journey unnecessary. It makes it possible.

      God bless you and hold you, Derk. Your mother is in the best of loving hands at every point.

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    • Lburg says:
      December 3, 2017 at 5:20 pm

      So sorry, Derk, to hear of your trials. Prayers for you, your family and your mother.

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  14. lovely says:
    December 3, 2017 at 11:47 am

    3 2 1 ….. Who will be the first MSM to whine that President Trump is trying to bankrupt the poor virtuous media folks?

    Meanwhile General Flynn has to sell his house to pay his mounting legal bills. May all these filthy scumbags be broken in two.

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    • Lucille says:
      December 3, 2017 at 3:15 pm

      Is there a transcript of exactly what General Flynn said to the F.B.I.? I believe when you are being interviewed, you have to answer from memory, not from volumes of notes you can take into the meeting, though I may be wrong on that. I know Scooter Libby wasn’t allowed to bring notes with him.

      And did the same memory scenario happen when the General spoke with Mike Pence?

      At any rate, we all know that a plan to overtly lie to a grand jury, the F.B.I. or any investigatory entity is verboten. And I just think he would not do that. As has been said, he copped a plea to lying because the other minor offense would be more costly, both in cash and in time served if he were convicted.

      He didn’t give away state secrets, offer bribes, take bribes, use monies illegally, or spit in the coffee. Too bad everyone who has done the same type of process crime AND MUCH, MUCH WORSE, isn’t right now being prosecuted. I’m not excusing these types of crimes, but simply asking for equal treatment under the law.

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  15. facebkwallflower says:
    December 3, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    Looking for input. These two things have come up on fb with one of the posters I know personally. Where or how do I start breaking these things apart? On the picture I know I can blow it out of the water IF the 25,000 is their only income because after the deduction (whether filing single or filing married jointly, the end result will be still not paying any taxes. But if added to a paycheck wage/s of 75K, then maybe they are right — but doubt it, gut instinct says so even if by a “tax preparer”. But “gut” not really a response. (Either is “What a jerk, you have not even read the damn bill, have you?”

    Picture of self-proclaimed tax expert (the author made it a public post so can see even if not a facebook holder): https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fphoto.php%3Ffbid%3D1778442012190683%26set%3Da.373052609396304.92392.100000747054104%26type%3D3&width=500

    The other statement: “Expenses for small businesses will no longer be tax deductible. I am making the decision to end my small business as a special education consultant as a result of this change. My clients, parents and school districts, cannot afford to pay more to cover the expenses. So tell me again how small businesses are being helped…”

    I have read all I can find and half I really don’t get and the the rest, I do not know if fact or fiction. And I so, so, so want to explain that the aboves are wrong, wrong, wrong. . . . . . . . My understanding was that itemized deductions are gone but other things balance that so most will come out ahead. But itemizing, or taking on deductions for business expenses on Schedule C IS NOT itemizing, as in the 1040 Schedule A. Is this where the confusion (orchestrated, made-up scare info to the dem soldiers ready to prove everything Trump wrong) is, you think? I need help articulating concisely a response. Thank you !!!!!!!!!!

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    • stella says:
      December 3, 2017 at 2:03 pm

      I would first say that the final bill is not complete, and the Senate bill is very different from the House bill. This means that many things have already changed in the past couple of days and will continue to do so. Here is a summary I read yesterday in an exchange on FB with somebody who had MANY facts wrong!

      First of all, the standard deduction is nearly doubled – $24,000 for a couple, up from $12,700, and similar for singles.

      The Senate bill allows owners of so-called “pass-through” businesses (that is, businesses that aren’t incorporated) to deduct 23 percent of their earnings, and then pay at their personal income tax rate on the remainder. This issue was a key concern of Sens. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., and Steve Daines, R-Mont., both of whom announced this week that they would support the bill.

      More at link:

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/02/senate-passes-major-tax-reform-package.html

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      • facebkwallflower says:
        December 3, 2017 at 5:49 pm

        Thank you, Stella! So, now all I can reconcile is the person I quoted saying she was going to quit her virtuous job is she was itemizing as an employee paying expenses related to the job. Doing thus, makes her an employee and not a small business, even if she does call them “clients”. OR, she thinks the 23% reduction in business income is a replacement for not being able to take and business deductions. This is really, really a stupid line of thinking because —
        Revenue generated – cost of goods and services to produce those revenues(expenses) = profit which is entered as income on 1040. There is NO business if ‘cost of goods and services” is not taken into consideration for a profit or loss. There must be an equation.

        Is the new equation – Revenue generated – cost of goods and services = profit – 23% of profit = income entered on 1040 as business income. The new way mean less monies paid for self-employment tax.

        Do you think I have this correct or are small businesses really going to be taxed. on revenue generated only and not on profit, which is the definition of income????? It makes no sense.

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  16. Sharon says:
    December 3, 2017 at 1:58 pm

    Classic (re media and partial/wrong information) update from Juan Brown re Oroville Dam –

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  17. stella says:
    December 3, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    From our friend, Clarice Feldman. It was her birthday yesterday, too!

    Feminism, the Fake Indian, the Tragic State of the FBI, and the Flynn Flam

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/feminism_the_fake_indian_the_tragic_state_of_the_fbi_and_the_flynn_flam.html

    A website called Medusa shut down after it was clear that it was impossible to continue to satirize the present-day feminists because they are so idiotic that parody too closely mirrors the neo-feminists’ views:
    …
    Much tongue clucking was heard over the President’s reference to Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas,” an allusion to her phony claim to Indian heritage. But to my mind, it was apt and called for. She’s a liar, like many on the left, and a hypocrite as well, supporting “diversity” and affirmative action programs while lying to take advantage of them at cost to those who might qualify. In May of 2012 — forgotten by most of the media or brushed under the rug — Warren admitted that she had told the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard Law school about her purported Indian heritage before she was hired. Harvard promoted her as the first “woman of color” on their faculty,
    …
    The FBI lied to the court and Judicial Watch saying it had no discoverable documents of the June 27, 2016 tarmac meeting between then-attorney general Lynch and Bill Clinton while Hillary Clinton’s misuse of classified emails was under investigation. In a related case, it was disclosed the Bureau, in fact, had 29 such pages and they were turned over to Judicial Watch. What they revealed was that the FBI’s concern was not over the impropriety of the meeting but, rather finding and punishing the whistleblower who revealed the meeting.
    …
    This week Trump’s short-lived National Security Advisor pled guilty to lying to the FBI. (In other words lying to liars) and the press went wild, crazily speculating that the end for their nemesis — the President — was nigh. As is his wont, Tom Maguire gave the best short form refutation of their hyperventilating:

    Out Like Flynn

    I understand this is a plea deal and we are meant to believe Flynn is being let off easy in exchange for vital evidence that blows the lid off Trump’s collusion with the Russians, but…

    given Flynn’s other seemingly more serious legal challenges around the unregistered lobbying, busting him for something we already knew about does not seem like an investigative breakthrough.[snip]
    …
    It looks like a new, albeit imperfect but still good tax bill will be passed after reconciliation of the House and Senate versions and I expect it will substantially boost the economy. And the administration seems to be making successful moves to reduce the administrative state — a state not elected by anyone that has weaseled its way into every aspect of our lives. The Awan case, which looks like a potentially major case of Pakistani espionage into the workings of House Democrats, will not be stalled forever.
    …

    and much more!

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  18. stella says:
    December 3, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    Seen on Facebook, re supposed Russian interference in the Presidential election:

    It’s the insane belief that Russia rigged our election in Trump’s favor by arranging for Hillary to get 3 Million more votes than Trump.

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  19. Lucille says:
    December 3, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    Last offerings of the day…
    Milky Way, Song Saa, Cambodia

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  20. auscitizenmom says:
    December 3, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    And, Lord, if it is your will, we pray that Judge Roy Moore will win his bid for the Senate.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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