General Discussion, Monday, August 14, 2017

Posted on August 14, 2017 by Stella

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  1. joshua says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:27 am

    Just another Manic Monday….

    Good Monday everyone

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  2. MaryfromMarin says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:36 am

    “It takes twice as long for me to not get anything done on Monday as it does the rest of the week.”

    [author unknown, but probably everybody]

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  3. MaryfromMarin says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:40 am

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  4. Lucille says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:53 am

    “You cannot do a kindness too soon for you never know how soon it will be too late.”
    ~Ralph Waldo Emerson~

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  5. ImpeachEmAll says:
    August 14, 2017 at 1:21 am

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  6. litenmaus says:
    August 14, 2017 at 2:11 am

    God sent me a gift last fall and after all the white noise the last couple of days, I thought I’d share.

    From time to time over the years, God has hung a ‘love-inquire within’ sign outside my house and inevitably some little creature that is just a little “off” wanders by and my life becomes the better because of it. A few years ago I lost my beloved Moogey cat and because my life was complicated, I decided that I was done, no more critters in my house.

    Last fall, God came along & hung up the sign and one morning I went out to the squirrel patio and curled up in the corner was a dead animal, skin covering bone, maggots crawling in the ears and nose and as I covered it with a towel so that I could pick it up and dispose of it, it squeaked and my heart broke.

    I picked up the towel that now contained the little creature, jumped in my car and sped to the vet’s office to have her put it out of it’s misery. The vet cleaned off the maggots, listened to it’s little heart and told me that she thought with a little time and a lot of money, she could save its life or she could put it down, my choice. I looked down at the little pile of fur and bones, reached out to touch its ear and it squeaked. Decision made.

    Long story short. I have a new companion. His name is Squeak. He is a beautiful twelve pound long haired tuxedo cat with a gleaming white bow tie and four meticulously clean white spats. He has a 19″ tail and he sleeps on his back with all four legs straight in the air. The most amazing thing about Squeak is that he is a “talker” with an attitude.

    I’ve never been owned by a “talker” cat and am wondering if any of you have or had one or if I’m just a crazy cat lady that is imagining the conversations.

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  7. Wooly Covfefe says:
    August 14, 2017 at 2:13 am

    auscitizenmom says:
    August 13, 2017 at 11:56 pm
    Drugs. How many of these weird things seem to be connected with drugs?

    Most of them.

    https://ssristories.org/

    I’m so glad, and so grateful, that I didn’t fall for it.

    There, but for the Grace of God, go I.

    They put me on them, randomly as if by rolling dice, and they were very bad for my brain. They gave me an EBT card and said, “you’re too sick to work”. The irony, the beautiful irony is that ditching all the state psyche people’s advice and their worse-than-LSD SSRI drugs, and WORKING, is what healed me. They’re so evil, these psych docs.

    “Sorcery” in the New Testament, in Greek, is “Pharmakia”, no?

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    • auscitizenmom says:
      August 14, 2017 at 9:18 am

      {{hugs}} I’m glad, too.

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    • Rhea Salacia Volans says:
      August 14, 2017 at 11:00 am

      Some drugs are needed. I will die, slowly and in abject misery, without insulin.

      I don’t know that I blame the drugs. I blame the people who used drugs as their excuse for whatever they did. Drugs as an excuse for why a female teacher had sex with a student? Sorry, that sounds like a Twinkie defense to me.

      Two possibilities I see here: 1) The drugs are over-prescribed to people who don’t need them. I have been depressed twice over having Type 1 Diabetes. No one put me on anti-depressants. I simply had to wait my depression out. 2) The anti-depressants are giving people back their motivation and energy, but not treating the root cause of the problems. Suicide is a risk with anti-depressants simply because once anti-depressants start to work they give people back their motivation and drive to do things, including commit suicide.

      The only thing that we could really do on the anti-depressant front is something that I think people have no real interest in doing: restore the mental asylums we used to have and institutionalizing these people until they are finally well.

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      • auscitizenmom says:
        August 14, 2017 at 11:39 am

        I know there are drugs that people legitimately need. But, it is very suspicious that a lot of the mass murders, etc. seem to happen when some of these murderers are on the really hardcore cocktails given by psychiatrists. I am not criticizing the people who end up on these drug programs.

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        • stella says:
          August 14, 2017 at 12:05 pm

          I truly think that many psychiatrists have mental problems themselves, which my have drawn them to their profession. I had a friend whose psychiatrist committed suicide. You can imagine the affect that had on his patients.

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          • auscitizenmom says:
            August 14, 2017 at 12:07 pm

            I agree.

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          • ImpeachEmAll says:
            August 14, 2017 at 5:48 pm

            Just hope none of
            the shrinks patients
            regarded this action
            as Leading by Example.

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          • Menagerie says:
            August 14, 2017 at 6:49 pm

            I have a GP I love. But he tries to give me drugs and I throw the prescriptions away most of the time. Too many of them are all about trying to treat you with powerful drugs.

            Conspiracy of the day. The big pharma has to make their money, and doctors have to be an integral part of that. No drugs get to market without a prescription.

            Another one, and this one is fact. I saw it over and over. When I first started my faux painting business, I took a part time evening and alternating weekends job as a courier for a hospital to get their excellent insurance. It was my job to pick up blood specimens, and occasionally even limbs or organs going to the main lab.

            There were numerous doctors groups throughout town and outlying areas owned by the hospital. Those doctors have quotas. It’s why they don’t talk to you but a minute or two, and why the new ones work evenings and weekends to build up their patients.

            Those hospital owned groups had dozens of specimens for lab tests a day. Independent docs, even some of the biggest and best in the city far fewer. I believe they are pressured to run tests. Not saying that things aren’t needed, but I think they have a set amount of business they are expected to provide the hospital with.

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          • valeriecurren says:
            August 14, 2017 at 11:04 pm

            “I truly think that many psychiatrists have mental problems themselves, which my have drawn them to their profession.”
            Physician heal thyself!

            Working in a Psych Hospital in the 80’s it always seemed as if the Psychiatrists were the least aware of the actual needs of the patients, unlike those of us that were front-line direct care staff. The docs seemed more prone to prescribe meds & shock treatment, etc when at least some of the issues could likely have been better addressed relationally (an accountable therapeutic relationship).

            Medication is one tool in the healer’s bag of tricks, but it is definitely not the quick fix some view it as, at least in the realm of psychotropic meds. I really doubt that the actual medication mechanisms are fully known & even if they might be reasonably understood it is unlikely that they impact people in a universal manner…& where exactly is the “line” between the mind/brain/thoughts & soul/spirit/emotions etc???

            We had some adventures with Josiah & psych meds from early childhood through the late teen years. He’s probably gotten the best relief from these mental/emotional needs by talking/praying with family members (& some church people) (though some meds have given some help)…most have come through his times of intimacy with his Creator where he washes himself with the water of the Word & worships & praises the Lord of the universe & takes his eyes off of his own circumstances as much as possible…

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            • Menagerie says:
              August 14, 2017 at 11:28 pm

              When my oldest son was 16 my husband made him volunteer all summer at a school for children with serious issues, brain damage, babies whose mothers were alcoholics or crack addicts. The children were profoundly impaired.

              He went there with an attitude and a chip on his shoulder. At the end of the summer they threw him a party and begged him to come back the next year. He came to the car holding back tears.

              It was one of the best things we ever did as parents. He hated it, and hated that we made him do it over half the summer, but they wore him down.

              He has one of the biggest hearts I’ve ever seen. He had it back then too, he just need it to be cracked a little bit, and to learn what it was for.

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              • auscitizenmom says:
                August 14, 2017 at 11:54 pm

                I had a daycare. When my son was about 3, the mother of one of the other children asked if my son could be a part of the class she was leading for children of different disabilities. She was a speech therapist. One day, I picked up her son there for her and was somewhat uncomfortable with the actual disabilities the children had. The worst one, I believe, was brought in on a gurney. There was no communication at all and he appeared to be in a vegetative state. He couldn’t even sit up.

                These children were much, much worse off than anything I had ever seen. I was concerned about my son who was so young. But, he seemed to love the class and didn’t have a problem with the difficulties of the other children. He and his friend were the only 2 “normal” kids in the class of about 10. I am so glad I let him continue. He was always a compassionate child and was very caring about all the other children there. It was a totally positive summer for him. I remember one day he came home and said one of the children had looked at him and knew he was there. He was so pleased.

                People used to ask me how I raised such a sweet compassionate child. I always said that God gave him to me that way, and I didn’t do anything to ruin him. I am so proud of him as an adult who chose the wife he did and takes care of her and his two daughters the way he does.

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              • valeriecurren says:
                August 15, 2017 at 1:21 am

                Beautiful. You found a way to get that shell cracked so the light, love, & joy could shine through!

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      • Wooly Covfefe says:
        August 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm

        Insulin SSRI drugs. Insulin is necessary and good. Apples and oranges.

        They didn’t scan my brain, ever. They just somehow “knew” I had a “chemical imbalance” that “caused” my “depression”. It was all complete bull cookies. It was just “Here, try this SSRI drug (Paxil, Wellbutrin, etc…). There was no actual science behind it. Just a kickback for the docs for the Rx.

        They said I couldn’t work. Work, and loving everyone, healed me.

        Screw the psych community; they are charlatans and liars.

        The last time I was in a psych ward for major depression was a couple of months before the events of 9/11/2001. I vividly remember being, although suicidally depressed, the smartest person in that place, including the staff. One crazy SJW lady-doc tried to tell me “There is no such thing as Evil.” Then 9/11 happened. I wonder if she’d like to reconsider her sage advice. I’ll never forget that she said that to me.

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        • stella says:
          August 14, 2017 at 12:49 pm

          I think most doctors know as much about drugs as they do about nutrition. Which is not much.

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          • auscitizenmom says:
            August 14, 2017 at 12:51 pm

            BINGO!!!

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          • Menagerie says:
            August 14, 2017 at 6:53 pm

            I can’t figure out why, unless you have a life threatening or altering illness, chronic pain, etc. you’d take that stuff. Don’t people listen to the “will cause high BP, stroke, liver or kidney failure, cancer,and possibly death” stuff you hear on every commercial?

            Me, I believe it. I know, there are rare odds most of the time. But in high school when my friends were doing LSD and other awful drugs, I was the one kid who believed I really would jump out the window or my heart would explode.

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        • lovely says:
          August 14, 2017 at 12:56 pm

          Have I ever told the story here when I went to see a client in the bin? (If that term is offensive to anyone her let me know but many locked in patients and revolving door patients refer to it as the bin also) Anyhow! Once I was going to visit a client whom I had not met. One of the nurses told me she was the one on the desk with the new therapist.

          So I waited.

          One was well put together and intense in her words one was dressed shabbily her hair was a mess and spoke almost without expression. When they were done talking I approached the disheveled woman who turned out to be the therapist 😐.

          Bins can only keep you if they can label you with a DSM-V approved malady. Insurance, even state insurance will not pay unless they label you. Technically the mental health profession can only label you once they identify what disorder they have guessed that you have, they can only guess after they see how your brain and body responds to the chemicals they have introduced to it. So it is a circle of BS.

          That said there are some IMO very very very few good therapists and psych doctors who really do help people.

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          • lovely says:
            August 14, 2017 at 12:58 pm

            On the *couch* not the desk 🙄.

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          • Wooly Covfefe says:
            August 14, 2017 at 1:31 pm

            I was a revolving-door patient. For years.

            I was lucky, last time, just before 9/11 attacks, to have an Indian doc that told me, straight up, that I was a revolving door patient. He told me I was the local drunk in Andy of Mayberry who was always returning to the local jail. It was a great analogy, and he was right. My depression, as it were, was a moral issue, not a “chemical imbalance” or any other pseudo-scientific nonsense words.

            I later realized that my “depression” (as it were) was the conviction of the Holy Spirit. What cured it was getting on with life, and living and loving everyone else, and attempting to fulfill 1 John Four.

            Depression is so selfish. “Woe is me.”

            I remember visiting my brother in a psych hospital, before his self-inflicted death by CO in a garage. He was forcefully sedated because he had been acting a fool, and knocked out in a hospital bed when we got there. Me, my mom and dad, and his girlfriend. I was probably sixteen. He acted out, they gave him a drug that knocked him out. Problem solved by drugs. He was no longer a problem to them when he was sedated into unconsciousness. Problem solved. I remember leaving the room crying. I think it was Pine Rest in Grand Rapids. I wound up there, more than ten years later.

            Screw them all. Work, Live, and Love is the best drug.

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            • Rhea Salacia Volans says:
              August 14, 2017 at 1:56 pm

              “Depression is so selfish. “Woe is me.””

              Not always. The first time I had it it was. The second time I had it, I didn’t want it and couldn’t get rid of it. I had to ride it out while feeling like I was walking around with a giant on my back. Not fun. I thought that when I discovered the cause of my depression it would end, but even after I figured out why I felt that way, it didn’t immediately go away. It did eventually go away, after several days.

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              • Wooly Covfefe says:
                August 14, 2017 at 3:43 pm

                Yes, always. Depression is always selfish.

                Sadness is not. Sadness is natural, and Human, and shouldn’t be erased with drugs, but instead dealt with, and worked through.

                Psych: “You’re sad a lot. Here, have some drugs.”

                Sadness and grief are essential to being a human. Erasing these human emotions with SSRI drugs is of the devil. They are necessary emotions. They happen for a reason. They eventually makes us better people, in many ways.

                Wanting to deep-six oneself is selfish, to the extreme.

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                • auscitizenmom says:
                  August 14, 2017 at 4:36 pm

                  After my mother died, and my dad’s lung cancer had come back and he was in hospice they insisted that he take an antidepressant. He finally took one and then started to faint, so made it to a chair where he was out cold. He came to and said he needed to throw up, so somebody gave him a trash can. Then immediately he went to the bathroom because he had diarrhea. Both the doctor and the hospice nurse said that pill didn’t have anything to do with the pill. But, I finally convince the nurse that it did. His wife of 65 years had just died. The doctor gave him the antidepressant because he seemed sad. Ya think!?

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                • Menagerie says:
                  August 14, 2017 at 7:01 pm

                  I am half with you on this one Wooly. I believe that I have suffered a serious depression and it was far greater than just sadness. I did have to live through it, and I did have to work very hard to get out of it and be okay again. But I also lived through a “oh woe is me” period that I should have been slapped for.

                  I know a young woman who is very sensitive. Lived through some bad things. Has decided she is bisexual. Now she is all about being a rebel with a cause, and proudly and repeatedly proclaims her victim status and mental illness. I think that she chose to decide she is bisexual because she wants to be edgy and cool, and identify with the current in crowd, and I think she is wallowing in her misery, and making a lot of other people unhappy to.

                  She insists it’s not a choice. But even when we are at our worst, attacked by cancer, disease, injury, we have a choice each day how we live. There are always things we can choose, even if it’s just a smile.

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                • valeriecurren says:
                  August 14, 2017 at 11:54 pm

                  “They are necessary emotions. They happen for a reason.” Perhaps they are like our sense of touch in that if we don’t feel the pain we won’t stop touching the hot stove. Sadness & Grief are a part of life but there is a large segment of the western world who doesn’t want to be confronted with it in themselves or others for this raw pain takes us all out of our comfort zones…

                  Years ago someone did a depression inventory on me & said I was “severely depressed”…later at “my” doctor’s appointment I mentioned those results to the doc & he wanted to know if I wanted to go on an anti-depressant. I said No, I need to deal with the fact that I’m overwhelmed with the issues surrounding my special needs child & to find a way to live the life I’ve been given…hopefully with some degree of grace. These lessons are still in process!

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            • valeriecurren says:
              August 15, 2017 at 12:07 am

              I’m sorry for your incredibly painful experiences surrounding your brother’s hospitalization & suicide…& your own repeated connections to the psych universe.

              What if the people that seek (or are forced to seek) treatment are just being more honest with themselves & the world about how hard life is? What if (for many of them) there’s not really anything wrong with them except they keep reminding the emperor & his subjects that he’s naked! They could be holding up a brutal mirror that no one else wants to have to look into–the naked hurting soul bared to the world & tormenting to the self…hmm…

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          • valeriecurren says:
            August 14, 2017 at 11:20 pm

            Reminds me of the standard saying at the locked Psych Ward where I used to work…”What’s the difference between staff & patients??? Staff have keys!!!” Yikes…

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        • ImpeachEmAll says:
          August 14, 2017 at 5:52 pm

          Hmmmmmmmmm.

          Do you think she
          voted for Hillary? 😉

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      • valeriecurren says:
        August 14, 2017 at 10:42 pm

        “restore the mental asylums we used to have and institutionalizing these people until they are finally well.”

        I do believe that there are some people that would be better served that way than what is currently happening for so many–living on the streets. The severely disabled requiring intensive care, the chemically dependent, & the mentally ill could all likely benefit from some more centralized treatment options. There is no easy fix for many of these issues & if the family &/or the church can’t meet these significant needs then the “system” needs to be in place to “help” them.

        Treating the “root cause” of issues is ideal…but who has time to find out what the root causes might be what with drive-by medicine, a general population that has lost the art of listening & exhibiting compassion, & a frenetic modern pace of life that demands more of everyone in terms of output but conversely leads to a reduction of the best aspects of our human soul…

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    • lovely says:
      August 14, 2017 at 11:24 am

      They put me on them, randomly as if by rolling dice, and they were very bad for my brain.

      That is exactly how choosing the right psychotropic is decided Wooly. If they see a change in behavior, Eureka! They have discovered your drug!

      I will not condemn the use of psychotropics outright, there are people whose brain chemistry is so discombobulated that these drugs do give them some semblance of a life.

      These drugs though are far too often over prescribed, mis-prescribed and prescribed for life for people whose brain chemistry just skips a beat but is not perpetually out of whack. There has been a lot of research done and unfortunately the problem lies in 1) Money get-em-in-and-get-out 2) Convenience for the doc 3) The inability of a psych doctor to adequately see a vast amount of people before him and learn who that person is, his or her support that is available, his or her ability or willingness to contribute to their own well being outside the medical setting 4) The nature of mental illness which tends to alienate potential lifelines because people who surround a person with a mental illness tend to take everything and anything at the person does a a personal attack against their own integrity rather than a manifestation of an unbalanced brain.

      5) Meddling from “do-gooders” who think people with long term chronic mental illness, numerous psychotic breaks, and unable to care for their daily needs are still able to make decisions in their own best interests. << This is a whole book unto itself I'll just say people like this need family or friends committed to their well-being because many docs will simply medicate them into leather free restraints, retain the mind and the body follows.

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      • Wooly Covfefe says:
        August 14, 2017 at 12:42 pm

        Heard.

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      • Menagerie says:
        August 14, 2017 at 7:09 pm

        They are doing this to kids too. You give half or more of the teachers a rambunctious ten year old boy and see how quick he gets called ADHD. Hell, that’s a lie, they get ’em in kindergarten or first grade these days. Want to put them on some very terrible drugs.

        When my oldest was in third grade was the worst year. Teacher demanded, and I mean in your face demanded, that I take him for counseling. First week fill out papers, meet with counselor. Second week, get to know each other talk. Third week teachers demand I come in for “M” team meeting. Tell me counseling has failed, they want drugs. I believe there was some profanity involved. The old principal, a good old country common sense guy, sided with me.

        Oh yeah, a few weeks after that they make him read Charlotte’s Web and draw a picture about what he thought of the book. He drew a boy shooting Charlotte out of the web. Back to school I get called to have them tell me he is suicidal.

        I fought to get that boy educated. I fought. They wanted to throw him in the garbage, and they did succeed in messing him up to some extent.

        If I had to go through all that knowing what I know now they would probably have the police escort me whenever I came and went in school. I’d be in their face every living day, making it a lot harder for them than they could me or my son.

        Regrets. I have them.

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        • Wooly Covfefe says:
          August 14, 2017 at 7:51 pm

          {{{Menagerie}}}

          God bless ya.

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        • lovely says:
          August 14, 2017 at 11:56 pm

          We do the best we have with the knowledge we have had the time. I have regrets and would do some things very differently with my girls. I know you fought for him in good faith, prayerfully and with a mother’s heart, there is, until experience and hindsight make us wise not a lot more than that which we can do. You did more than well Menagerie of that I am certain.

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          • lovely says:
            August 14, 2017 at 11:57 pm

            Well I don’t know what happened to my first sentence it should read “We do the best we can at the the time with the knowledge we have.” 🙄

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          • Menagerie says:
            August 15, 2017 at 12:10 am

            Thanks lovely.

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          • valeriecurren says:
            August 15, 2017 at 12:29 am

            I’m near the cusp of the place (after a 6 month “vacation” of an Ancestry.com subscription as a mental outlet) where such words need to provide some degree of comfort & wisdom for the road before & behind in relation to battles on Josiah’s behalf with the Special Education system & (likely) Community Mental Health.

            I’m still actually angry that the school system did Zero Transition Services (to help kids with special needs prepare to “transition” to life beyond High School in arenas of education, employment, & independent living). Those Services were Legally Mandated in Special Ed Law & are to Not cost the family anything & are to be systematic & targeted to the student’s specific needs (& they should have been part of his education for the entire HS season at a minimum).

            According to Josiah’s primary doctor if we want to get any type of “transition program” I’ll have to design & execute it myself…

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            • lovely says:
              August 15, 2017 at 9:12 am

              There is a wise line in a beautiful Celtic song

              All that I know, is all that I know,
              and all that I know, is all that I can show              …

              We love. We do the best we can with what we have, with the knowledge we have for those we love, we do not come with the knowledge we gain through experience and hindsight, one of the ways we learn is coming through the other end of the battle and saying,” If only” followed by a determined “Now that I know….

              Peace Valerie, you do, we all do the best we can.

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              • valeriecurren says:
                August 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm

                Beautiful…thank you. One of my dear friends taught me a phrase “they did the best they could with what they had to work with”…She came to that place after caring for her SSI dependent father who’d never really taken care of his family. She’d taken him into her home when he was elderly & dying of cancer & she truly laid down her life in caring for him…She found that place of understanding & acceptance that led to forgiveness & in doing so she gave me a needed example so that I could approximate that place in relation to some of the baggage & bitterness I carried in relation to my own upbringing.

                As far as the battle for Josiah goes I’m still in the learning curve though most of the skirmishes in relation to Special Education are in the rear view mirror. So much of what was done to/”for” him &/or neglected to have been done was illegal & rises to the level of Disability Discrimination…

                If we’d had money we would have paid for as many needed interventions as possible & then gone the Due Process route attempting to get reimbursed…without such funding we were left to the “mercy” of the system & attempting to redress grievances using the mandated mechanisms is basically asking the system to fight against itself…so the bottom line is that the family loses practically every time & given some recent “interpretations” of the law those attorneys who attempt to help the family can also be heavily penalized…it’s a huge mess & probably hopeless to attempt to get some satisfaction from it. I/we really need Wisdom to “know” if/when/how to proceed here…

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            • lovely says:
              August 15, 2017 at 9:14 am

              Hit send too soon. Prayers for this time and your and Josiah’s life, prayers for the whole family and guidance in figuring out a way to make Josiah’s life and transition into something workable and beautiful.

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  8. Lucille says:
    August 14, 2017 at 2:38 am

    A fascinating interview with James Woods a couple of months after 9/11:

    James Woods recounts Atta Hijacking Attempt before 9/11

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  9. Col.(R) Ken says:
    August 14, 2017 at 5:55 am

    Well everyone the NK nuclear missile crisis is over………..remember a few days ago when the Chi-Com’s said; if you strike NK first we will defend NK. Now if NK launches missiles first NK is on its own….Do you really think NK will launch. I don’t.
    So now it’s just a waiting game NK is out on the branch, Chi-Com’s have the chainsaw running, the cutting hasn’t started yet……….in my very humble opinion, NK pushed this rock as far they could. So the US should maintain the posture for another couple weeks, then pack up and fly home. Forces left in place should be 3-4 Ohio class subs…….
    Hope all of the Servicemen/women are home over Labor Day to enjoy a cold adult refreshment, and excellent Texas BBQ……..

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  10. nyetneetot says:
    August 14, 2017 at 8:22 am

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ czarina33! (aka czarina) 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Covfefe! (aka “Wooly Phlox” aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! (aka “doodahdaze”) 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (Gentleman Jack Whiskey Sling)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Kamikaze)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂 |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ Rhea Salacia Volans! 🙂 |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ joshua! 🙂 |_| (Mudslide)
    Mornin’ John Denney! 🙂 |_| (RumChata)
    Mornin’ litenmaus! 🙂 |_| (Stolichnaya elit, no ice)
    Mornin’ kinthenorthwest! 🙂 🍸 (A Lonely Island Lost in the Middle of a Foggy Sea)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Smoking Bishop)
    Mornin’ patternpuzzler! 🙂 🍸 (Old Lady)
    Mornin’ Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG! 🙂 |_| (Red Russian)
    Mornin’ G-d&Country! 🙂 🍸 (Blind Russian)
    Mornin’ Gary! 🙂 |_| (Yuengling)
    Mornin’ valeriecurren! 🙂 🍸 (Flaming Sambuca)
    Mornin’ Lucille! 🙂 🍸 (Peach Schnapps)
    Mornin’ Lburg! 🙂 🍸 (Lburg lemonade)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Pastries for coffee!

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  11. kinthenorthwest says:
    August 14, 2017 at 8:54 am

    Very Interesting Watch..
    What have we done to our world.

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    • ImpeachEmAll says:
      August 14, 2017 at 6:49 pm

      Jay Shetty is a Motivational & Lifestyle vlogger, presenter and former monk. He has a viewership of over 25 million and is an international speaker.

      http://jayshetty.me/

      Would seem to understand how his bread is buttered.

      Why is he listed as a former monk?

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      • Wooly Covfefe says:
        August 14, 2017 at 8:01 pm

        No Wiki or Infogalactic page. Still looking.

        Maybe he left his former monastic order (Christian? Hindu?) and became Just A Guy?

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  12. stella says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    Seen on Facebook:

    “The confederacy vanished 150 years ago. The Nazis vanished 70 years ago. Communism continues to enslave over 1 billion people TODAY right NOW! 90 miles from where I’m sitting, more than 10 million Cubans continue to be victimized by communist tyranny. They live under the secret police, they are living in an Orwellian Island prison. Where are the protesters against that? Where is the solidarity? What kind of the neighbors are we? Neighbors who look the other way while Cubans are sent to firing squads? neighbors who tolerate disgusting protesters waving communist flags and feigning “human rights”? Don’t dare tell me that those bastards were in Charlottesville for “love”, So they were protesting the Confederacy? What the hell are they going to protest next? Napoleon? Genghis Khan? Have we all gone mad? they are goddamn Marxists, they should all be arrested for treason. So let’s cut the crap.” -Henry Pollack

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    • ImpeachEmAll says:
      August 14, 2017 at 7:05 pm

      BLM and ANTIFA did not have permits.

      Why were they not arrested on site?

      Why did LEA leave the area;
      and allow them to terrorize
      drivers trying to leave the area?

      Cuba and Florida…

      Think Elián González…

      “Where are the protesters against that?
      Where is the solidarity?
      What kind of the neighbors are we?”

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  13. auscitizenmom says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    I hope this will post correctly. Warning: kleenex required. Wife dies and leaves her husband a note. So sweet. 😥

    http://boredomtherapy.com/billie-breland-secret-note/?pas=1&as=701aol&bdk=b701aol

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  14. Lucille says:
    August 14, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    Life continues to flow. May we meet each day with a commitment to love others as we love ourselves.

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  15. MaryfromMarin says:
    August 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    Truth here:

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  16. stella says:
    August 14, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    Two Men from Yemen Arrested at Blue Water Bridge for Drug Possession

    http://www.thumbnet.net/wire/headlines/09125_Two_Men_from_Yemen_Arrested_at_Blue_Water_Bridge_for_Drug_Possession_175222.php

    Two men from Yemen were stopped and arrested at the Blue Water Bridge recently while having the narcotic khat in their possession. The Border Enforcement Security Team, consisting of Homeland Security members and members of the St. Clair County Drug Task Force, found 192grams of khat in plant form, 27 grams of powder khat, and a large amount of U.S. currency in their possession. The men, ages 32 and 29, said they left Chicago and intended on staying in the United States. While attempting to return to Chicago, their GPS took them to the Blue Water Bridge. Both men were arrested and lodged in the St. Clair County Jail. They face charges of possession with intent to deliver khat. The DEA says that people that abuse khat experience mild depression after a prolonged use, extreme thirst, hyperactivity, insomnia, loss of appetite, hallucinations, and can cause internal damage.

    The Blue Water Bridge is the international crossing over the St. Clair River between Pt. Huron, MI, and Sarnia, Ontario, Canada.

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  17. Wooly Covfefe says:
    August 14, 2017 at 2:08 pm

    Off to work.

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  18. Lucille says:
    August 14, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    We’ve often heard the phrase, “Love the sinner and hate the sin.”

    Guess who first wrote it…you got it…Saint Augustine!

    Only, of course, he wrote it in Latin, “Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum.”

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    • Menagerie says:
      August 14, 2017 at 7:19 pm

      St. Augustine is perhaps my favorite of the early Church fathers. He had wise words, and a lot of them were witty as well.

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      • Lucille says:
        August 14, 2017 at 9:55 pm

        Yes, he was greatly gifted by God.

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      • lovely says:
        August 15, 2017 at 12:10 am

        Do you know during his time folks were arguing whether it was prideful and therefore a sin for a woman to wear make up, it seems that those who were considered most holy at the time were divided 50/50, so some people asked St. Augustine what he thought and told him about the 50/50 split, his wry answer was “Then I think a woman should paint half her face.”

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    • auscitizenmom says:
      August 14, 2017 at 2:48 pm

      ROTFLMAO 😀

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    • Wooly Covfefe says:
      August 14, 2017 at 4:25 pm

      😆

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    • kinthenorthwest says:
      August 14, 2017 at 5:02 pm

      Hmmm Guess I should have smacked the crap out of my ex…LOL
      I can laugh now but that was my ex LOL

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    • Menagerie says:
      August 14, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      When we first married I was a god awful cook. My husband never complained, he ate what I cooked, and he encouraged me always.

      He also took me to his mother and grandmother and saw to it I learned. And he ate meals at their houses when he could. 😀

      One day after a year or two he looked up over the biscuits and said “This is really good.” It was one of my best days. He always said his mother cooked the best biscuits in the world, and she did.

      One day after she died he looked at me at breakfast, with tears in his eyes, and said ” you make the best biscuits in the world.” It was a very sad day. Now he can say it with pride, and without pain, and I feel a little better about it.

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      • auscitizenmom says:
        August 14, 2017 at 7:33 pm

        😥 How sweet.

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      • sandandsea2015 says:
        August 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm

        That’s so sweet. 🙂

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      • joshua says:
        August 14, 2017 at 10:08 pm

        my mother taught my first wife how to cook all the stuff I love, especially cornbread dressing for Thanksgiving….was a big deal, and she did it perfectly……after the divorce, I spent years trying to duplicate it…never got it….and my precious wife today grew up in a house where mama was not a great cook, and she puts sugar in the cornbread recipe…but you know what….it is the best cornbread I eat now, and no matter what…she makes the best….she grieves that she can’t do “my mamma’s cornbread”…but frankly, I didn’t marry my mother….and for a darn good reason. would not trade her for food even if I were starving….

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        • Menagerie says:
          August 14, 2017 at 10:21 pm

          You are a hero joshua. If you can eat sweet cornbread and keep it down you are truly in love!

          We share a love of dressing. I have never mastered my mother in law’s way of doing it. My own mother loved hers, thought it was the best ever. It had four times too much sage and was terrible.

          Your wife sounds like a wonderful lady. Food can be bought. People worth loving and liking and respecting are what matters.

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        • Wooly Covfefe says:
          August 15, 2017 at 12:34 am

          :shakes Joshua’s hand:

          My mom read a few of these threads. She thought Joshua was a kid. I said, no, Mom. He’s like 70. He just still gets his hand smacked by Stella’s ruler every now and then.

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    • ImpeachEmAll says:
      August 14, 2017 at 7:27 pm

      Stella!!!

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  20. Lucille says:
    August 14, 2017 at 3:15 pm

    Florida: No death penalty for Muslim who killed men for disrespecting his conversion to Islam
    August 13, 2017 10:57 AM By Robert Spencer
    “No explanation for this was offered. Would seeking the death penalty in this case be ‘Islamophobic’?”
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/florida-no-death-penalty-for-muslim-who-killed-men-for-disrespecting-his-conversion-to-islam

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  21. Rhea Salacia Volans says:
    August 14, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    “If there was a Stupidity Olympics, it might well look like what the world saw in Charlottesville, Virginia this weekend. Idiots came from all over to participate in the Games, with oversight (and we use that word in every possible sense) and rules administered by as striking a bunch of ideological nitwits as you could ever hope to assemble in one place.

    It isn’t easy to comment on exactly what happened because the incendiary events became perfect fodder for alleged journalists (and politicians) to say whatever the hell they wanted to whether it was factual or not. Hurricanes only wish they had this kind of spin.

    According to the mainstream media, Donald Trump’s enthusiastic embrace of Nazis and the KKK inevitably manifested in a White Power hate rally. And when lovable Leftists peacefully protested, a number of them were deliberately mowed down by the speeding car of a White racist causing one death and many serious injuries. So horrific was the racist violence that a police helicopter fell out of the sky just from watching the carnage, causing the tragic deaths of two officers – but upping the tally to “3 killed in violent confrontations” in reports throughout the entirely delighted media.”

    http://stiltonsplace.blogspot.com/2017/08/sorry-virginia-there-is-no-sanity-clause.html

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  22. Menagerie says:
    August 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    Hey look, the Basilica is in here! Yay us!

    https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/Article/TabId/535/ArtMID/13567/ArticleID/22888/Thriving-Parishes.aspx

    I was married in this church, and later baptized and confirmed there. My children and grandchildren have been baptized there. Funeral masses said for our family’s dead. This place is home as much as my cabin. It’s an awesome parish.

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  23. auscitizenmom says:
    August 14, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen

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  24. Wooly Covfefe says:
    August 14, 2017 at 11:01 pm

    A few post-prayer sunset pics I just took, out on the pier with my adamantly atheist friend.

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    • Wooly Covfefe says:
      August 14, 2017 at 11:03 pm

      Click on each for the full-size. I say I hate the camera on my phone, but when I click on the full size on a 37″ monitor, I’m like “Whoa.”

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    • patternpuzzler says:
      August 15, 2017 at 1:22 am

      That’s one awesome sunset, Wooly. Ain’t a thing wrong with your phone camera. I blew it up and looked – you’re right!

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  25. Wooly Covfefe says:
    August 14, 2017 at 11:20 pm

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  26. Wooly Covfefe says:
    August 14, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    The first is of my good friend, our bartender. We tried to catch some fish tonight. We also had great conversation. He’s an atheist Evangelist. He tries to have these religion vs. atheism discussions, avidly. And he’s sure he’s about to die.

    I have to think very carefully before I speak, in these discussions. And I do. And I do speak.

    Please, folks, pray that i say the right things. He is a good man.

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    • Wooly Covfefe says:
      August 14, 2017 at 11:58 pm

      When I say “good” I mean he embodies 1 John ch. 4 in his life.

      And yet he believes that the Bible is all a ploy. All B.S. All made to control us.

      Such a loving person, so much tin-foil. I hung out with him and his two girls all day yesterday, and they all taught me how to have fun again.

      Hung out with him on the pier for hours tonight.

      He really does want to change me, and my position regarding religion. That’s not likely to happen. Yet he realizes, and I’ve told him, that religion is Love. But he’s obstinate like me. There is no changing my mind. The Bible is true. He cannot, and will not, convince me otherwise. I’ve studied epistemology and stuff, m’fer.

      And yet he’s seeking my friendship. And getting my butt out of my apartment for a change.

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  27. auscitizenmom says:
    August 14, 2017 at 11:58 pm

    I remember hearing somewhere that when faced with their demise, an atheist says “God Help Me.” I am sure you being his friend will remind him when he gets to that point.

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