General Discussion, Saturday, April 8, 2017

Posted on April 8, 2017 by Stella

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  1. MaryfromMarin says:
    April 8, 2017 at 1:09 am

    “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

    –Marcus Aurelius–

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  2. amwick says:
    April 8, 2017 at 7:47 am

    Good Morning all… Friday nights must be busy!
    Lovely sunrise here in my valley.. sighs Funny thing is, it is the clouds that make the sunrise so pretty… hhmmmm. Be safe everyone.

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  4. nyetneetot says:
    April 8, 2017 at 8:20 am

    Mornin’ stella! (Smiter of those that ought to be smote) 😎 🍸 (Long Island Iced Tea)
    Mornin’ WeeWeed! (Master Mixologist Extrodinare) 😎 🍸 (Old Fashioned)
    Mornin’ Menagerie! 😎 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Jack Daniels – Single Barrel )
    Mornin’ Ad rem! (Queen Felis catus) 🐱 🍸 (Flaming Lamborghini)
    Mornin’ Sharon! 😎 🍸 🍸 (earthquake)
    Mornin’ ytz4mee! 😎 🍸 (cosmopolitan)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (white wine and perrier)
    Mornin’ partyzantski! 🙂 |_| (Tom Collins)
    Mornin’ texan59! 🙂 |_| (Black & Tan)
    Mornin’ ZurichMike! 🙂 🍸 (fuzzy navel)
    Mornin’ Col.(R) Ken! (hand salute) 🙂 |_| (Boilermaker)
    Mornin’ Czarina! 🙂 🍸 (Lynchburg Lemonade)
    Mornin’ czarowniczy! 🙂 |_| (Wild Turkey Rare Breed)
    Mornin’ letjusticeprevail2014! 🙂 |_| (Irish Car Bomb)
    Mornin’ Patriot1783-ctdar! (aka “ctdar”) 🙂 🍸 (grasshopper)
    Mornin’ tessa50! 🙂 🍸 (flaming volcano)
    Mornin’ waltzingmtilda! 🙂 🍸 (sidecar)
    Mornin’ varsityward! 🙂 |_| (Godfather)
    Mornin’ MaryfromMarin! 😀 |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| (Mortlach)
    Mornin’ Wooly Phlox! (aka “taqiyyologist”) 🙂 |_| (Roy Rogers)
    Mornin’ Howie! (aka “doodahdaze”) 🙂 |_| (Classic Daiquiri)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Gin & Tonic)
    Mornin’ Sha! 🙂 🍸 (Lemon Drop)
    Mornin’ BigMamaTEA! 🙂 🍸 (Harvey Wallbanger)
    Mornin’ cetera5! (aka “Cetera”) 🙂 |_| (Blackberry wine)
    Mornin’ The Tundra PA! 🙂 🍸 (Baileys Irish Cream on the rocks)
    Mornin’ lovely! 🙂 |_| (Backdraft)
    Mornin’ michellc! 🙂 🍸 (Salty dog)
    Mornin’ auscitizenmom! 🙂 🍸 (Kiss on the Lips)
    Mornin’ Margaret-Ann! 🙂 🍸 (White Russian)
    Mornin’ Auntie Lib! 🙂 🍸 (Tom and Jerry)
    Mornin’ holly100! 🙂 🍸 (Jack & Coke)
    Mornin’ Pam! 🙂 (Not even water)
    Mornin’ Ms.Tee! 🙂 🍸 (Mojito)
    Mornin’ koolkosherkitchen! 🙂 🍸 🍸 (Cuba Libre)
    Mornin’ ImpeachEmAll 🙂 |_| (Flaming Dr. Pepper)
    Mornin’ Monroe! 🙂 |_| (Stinger)
    Mornin’ Les! 🙂 |_| (Rusty Nail)
    Mornin’ shiloh1973! 🙂 |_| (Jack Daniels)
    Mornin’ TexasRanger! 🙂 |_| (Whiskey Smash)
    Mornin’ Ziiggii! 🙂 |_| (B52)
    Mornin’ oldiadguy! 🙂 |_| (Rum & Coke)
    Mornin’ smiley! (“stuck in spambucket”) 🙂 🍸 (Spanish coffee)
    Mornin’ derk! (“Stellars”) 🙂 🍸 (Kamikaze)
    Mornin’ Jacqueline Taylor Robson 🙂 🍸 (Shirley Temple)
    Mornin’ facebkwallflower! 🙂 |_| (Night Train Express)
    Mornin’ Ms. Cindy! (aka “Ms Cynlynn” aka “ms cynlynn”) 🙂 🍸 (1970 ducru beaucaillou)
    Mornin’ sandandsea2015! 🙂 🍸 (1961 Château Montrose)
    Mornin’ amwick! 🙂 🍸 (Blue motorcycle)
    Mornin’ hocuspocus13! 🙂 🍸 (1970 Chateau Latour)
    Mornin’ Sloth1963! 🙂 🍸 (1971 Moulin Touchais)
    Mornin’ MTeresa! (Ex-lurker) 🙂 |_| (Albanian Raki Moskat)
    Mornin’ Rhea Salacia Volans! 🙂 |_| (Hot Buttered Rum)
    Mornin’ joshua! 🙂 |_| (Mudslide)
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    Mornin’ litenmaus! 🙂 |_| (Stolichnaya elit, no ice)
    Mornin’ kinthenorthwest! 🙂 🍸 (A Lonely Island Lost in the Middle of a Foggy Sea)
    Mornin’ TwoLaine! 🙂 |_| (Smoking Bishop)
    Mornin’ patternpuzzler! 🙂 🍸 (Old Lady)
    Mornin’ Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG! 🙂 |_| (Red Russian)
    Mornin’ G-d&Country! 🙂 🍸 (Blind Russian)
    Mornin’ whiners and complainers! 😛 (No drink for you!)
    Mornin’ to people posting that I missed. 😳
    Mornin’ to all you lurkers! 😕

    Also just in case someday; mornin’ to Elvis Chupacabra, F.D.R. in Hell and sundance! :mrgreen:

    Breakfast!

    NEW and IMPROVED breakfast with extra bacon for ZurichMike!

    Pastries for coffee!

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  6. G-d&Country says:
    April 8, 2017 at 9:18 am

    Hello everyone,
    Just wanted to quickly pop in and thank everyone for their kind thoughts and prayers at the passing of our long time friend Ken. I’ll be back to my regular self after the wake and funeral this coming week.
    Even though this is not the Caturday thread, I wanted to bring this to you as a thank you 🙂
    http://imgur.com/U8I1j3s
    Sincerest thanks again.

    P.S. Stella, what especially lovely pics today on this thread and Caturday thread.

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  7. lovely says:
    April 8, 2017 at 9:39 am

    A very interesting civil conversation between PJW and Mitchell. And just an aside Ann Culter needs to take a chill pill and catch her breath, I think that she has dug her heels in and now has blinders on. It seems all the people losing their minds over President Trump’s singular strike thing that it means we have boots on the ground and are going to war with Syria in the way we did in Iraq. Trump is a lot more interested in the result than Bush, Mattis is a lot more willing to do what needs to get done and will have the freedom to do it.

    New sheriff world.

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    • sandandsea2015 says:
      April 8, 2017 at 10:02 am

      I admit to being alarmed by the air strikes initially. After listening to the reasoning behind it, I feel better about how it was handled. It sounds like great thought was given on how to send a strong message to Assad that Trump will not ignore atrocities committed against innocents. We just don’t need to get drawn into another war. Bill M. is saying in the interview that obviously Trump and his people had very good intel before taking decisive action. Regular folks will never have access to that intel and it’s naive for the folks like Coulter, Cernovich, Watson, and others to armchair quarterback Trump’s decision.

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      • lovely says:
        April 8, 2017 at 10:06 am

        I was very concerned with the airstrikes at first but after 8 years of bumbling Bush and Anti American Obama my thought process was mired in the “old”. After walking away and thinking it through I had to boot the old thinking and remember it is Mattis who was part of the planning and that calmed me down.

        I also agree with many of the folks who say that this was a very strong message to Xi.

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    • czarowniczy says:
      April 8, 2017 at 10:14 am

      Obama set the policy, only thing Trump’s doing differently than Barry is actually following thru on the threats the POtuS made.
      Syria’s a lot more complicated than just shutting ISIS down. Let’s not forget that Turkey still wants what it sees as its territory, i.e. those eastern Syrian provinces, while still wanting to deal with the Kurds in Syria that Assad and Russia have basically given haven to.
      US has to come to grips with the fact Russia’s going to be a presence in Syria whether or not Assad’s there, Russia has heavy economic and strategic reasons for being there.
      Iran has visions of being the regional power but Turkey has the largest military in the Mideast so it partners with the local Great Satan to bakance that out. Iran’s Hezz program to destabilize Lebanon benefits Russia as does Iran being a willing partner in Russia’s attack on Israel. With Rissia in control in Syria that would put Iran and Rusdia on the Golan Heights and on Syrian bases with modern weapons. There’s also the matter of those huge petro reserves discovered in a area in tbe Med claimed by both Israel and Lebanon..
      There are more reasons this is a trigger area requiring US resolve but point is it’s going to require a strong and resolved US leadership to deal with and I don’t think Rats or RINOs can do it.

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      • lovely says:
        April 8, 2017 at 12:44 pm

        Thanks Czar you are a wealth on knowledge on all of this stuff. I’m going to print your post out and read it several times to help me keep Turkey/Iran/Syria/Russia sorted as to their goals.

        All of the enemies of the US and freedom have been boosted by Obama’s administration including the Rats and RINOS.

        President Trump is swimming in a cauldron.

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  8. stella says:
    April 8, 2017 at 10:06 am

    I’ve seen a lot of comments saying that the attack in Syria is a hoax and that it couldn’t have been Sarin, because the people aren’t blue, and the responders are handling the victims without gloves, which would surely kill them. My response to these assertions:

    Look at photos of the Tokyo subway Sarin attack. Those who are cleaning up the spill (punctured containers of liquid Sarin) are wearing protective clothing and gas masks, but many who are seeing to the wounded are not. The reason is that Sarin gas dissipates very quickly. So it is not a sure thing that responders would have been killed pretty quickly, especially if some time had passed – say 15 to 30 minutes.

    I don’t know about skin color of the victims, but the victims in the Tokyo photos don’t look blue.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tokyo+sarin+attack&FORM=HDRSC2

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    • czarowniczy says:
      April 8, 2017 at 10:34 am

      And we didn’t land on the moon.
      We don’t kno whstbthe Sarin, if it were Satin, concentration was. Were they working in the area it was dropped or were the casualties carried to a new location? Were the vics at least partially decontaminated before they arrived? Dud the vics have vapor/droplets on them or had they just inhaled vapor? How long was it before the vics arrived, was there to for the any residue to evaporate?
      What were the ground temp and wind conditions? Witnesses say there were air and ground bursts which would have dispersed the agent to where winds and temperatures would have further dispersed and degraded the agent. Was the agent mixed in a persistent mix and, if so, how persistent was it?
      We also aren’t seeing if the responders are suffering ill effects as at very low levels it takes a while for effects to manifest and they may not be fatal but more debilitating, just ask our troops who were exposed duringbtne first Gulf War.
      There are also other agents in plsy than Sarin.

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      • stella says:
        April 8, 2017 at 10:41 am

        All of those are good questions, and explain the photos of Tokyo, which definitely was a Sarin attack.

        My point was shorter – look at the pictures. What you see proves that first responders have touched Sarin victims without apparently immediately dropping dead, which has been claimed.

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        • czarowniczy says:
          April 8, 2017 at 10:50 am

          Tokyo was a honemade Sarin that was made to go to vapor quickly. Military adjusts the volatility according to misdion needs. Aum Shinrikyo also made a small amount of VX it used to bargain for lighter sentences.

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    • lovely says:
      April 8, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      The experts always come out in events like this. How much do you want to bet that 99% of the hoax proponents knew nothing about sarin gas before the attack ? And really know nothing about it now.

      All it takes is one popular tweeter or one popular blogger to make one ignorant statement and suddenly that statement is adopted by the reef fish as if it they have a doctorate in the subject. The reef fish defend the blogger/tweeter’s opinion as if it is a personal affront to that person if you disagree with their opinion. The art of discussion and the gift of curiosity is thrown out the door.

      Sadly the day of Stepford citizenry has long been here. We saw it often with Trump zealots who could not accept that he was indeed human and could make mistakes.

      That is why I found the Mitchel/PJW discussion so refreshing.

      I don’t think we will get the full story on the sarin gas attack, Russia and Syria are involved so why would we? Our own leaders have been lying to us for my entire lifetime so why should I expect two men who are openly thugs to be honest to me when my elected representatives aren’t?

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  9. lovely says:
    April 8, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    No water wings. No life vests. No helicopter adults. Just good old fashioned summer fun.

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  10. MaryfromMarin says:
    April 8, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    Can anyone track down this photo for me? Where/when/context? It is supposed to be Muslim response to Sweden, after the recent attack. I forwarded without attribution on twitter, and am taking flak. If I am wrong, I want to retract. If i m right, I want to prove:

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  11. stella says:
    April 8, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    Manhunt for Wisconsin suspect wanted for stealing guns, threatening politicians

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/08/manhunt-for-wisconsin-suspect-wanted-for-stealing-guns-threatening-politicians.html

    A nationwide manhunt is on for a Wisconsin man wanted for a series of crimes including stealing over a dozen guns and allegedly plotting mass violence targeting law enforcement and political figures.

    Over 150 police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and federal agents are on the trail of Joseph Jakubowski, who Wisconsin authorities say is considered “armed and highly dangerous” after he allegedly burglarized a local gun store in Janesville, a city roughly 40 miles south of Madison. Among the 16 weapons stolen were several high caliber handguns, and at least two semi-automatic assault rifles. Police also believe he may possess a bulletproof vest and military-style helmet.

    On Thursday, investigators met with an individual who claimed to know Jakubowski. The “associate” stated Jakubowski had expressed interest in stealing firearms and desired to “save everyone by taking out one politician at a time”. The individual also conveyed that Jakubowski had written a lengthy manifesto airing his grievances with the government and that he had mailed the 161 page manifesto to President Trump. The Rock County Sheriff’s Office says that in the manifesto Jakubowski wrote about a disregard and disrespect for public officials and law enforcement, even calling both “agents of the 1% who enslave and keep the population down.”

    A cell phone video was released by the Sheriff’s Office showing the suspect allegedly showing off the manifesto before placing it in the mail. In the video he says “There it is you see it’s getting shipped. Revolution! It’s time for change.”

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  12. auscitizenmom says:
    April 8, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen

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  13. amwick says:
    April 8, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    because this is something that everyone will want to hear about

    Dh and I were doing our customary evening walk, through a very pretty campground surrounded on three sides by Lake Chatuge.. well, we were half finished, minding our own business, when six feet in front of us, kerplunk! a squirrel dropped out of the sky onto the asphalt.. It landed on its four little paws and just looked startled,, then is slowly walked away to a tree… We looked up and saw branches, up high, at least 20′ in the air. It really was the most amazing thing…I mean squirrels are not supposed to fall, nope, they most assuredly are not.

    The funny/ awful thing is the last three days, Dh actually hit two with the car, and narrowly missed two more,,, then there they were falling form the sky.

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    • stella says:
      April 8, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      Probably very young squirrels. Not experienced yet.

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      • auscitizenmom says:
        April 8, 2017 at 10:22 pm

        I had one fall out of a tall tree right in front of me. It hit the ground, shook his head and ran back up the tree. He was a young one. I was glad he didn’t land on my head.

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    • Wooly Phlox says:
      April 8, 2017 at 11:32 pm

      Oh, I’ve seen it live. When I was in FL at my folks two years ago, we were watching them play in these insanely tall conifers from the screen-porch, chasing each other around at about a hundred feet up. I say this because the fall took at least three seconds. I got a shocked face, and said OMG! The thing got up and ran right back up!

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      • amwick says:
        April 9, 2017 at 7:47 am

        The one we saw did not run… and don’t forget, we were just walking along, and it dropped in front of us… three more seconds it would have landed on either Dh or me. 🙂

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  14. stella says:
    April 8, 2017 at 10:52 pm

    Seen on Facebook:

    Something’s up:

    Asaad Hanna‏Verified account @AsaadHannaa 44m44 minutes ago

    Some US troops on the Jordanian borders with Syria are standing by with Jordanian special forces, the reasons unknown yet.

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  15. stella says:
    April 8, 2017 at 11:01 pm

    Reports that something may also be going on off North Korea.

    http://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/130123

    Carl Vinson Strike Group, including Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 2, Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG 108) and USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112), and Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG 57), will operate in the Western Pacific rather than executing previously planned port visits to Australia. The Strike Group will remain under the operational control of U.S. 3rd Fleet as part of the Third Fleet Forward initiative.

    Was headed to Australia, but heading to “Western Pacific”.

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    • stella says:
      April 8, 2017 at 11:04 pm

      U.S. Navy strike group to move toward Korean peninsula: U.S. official

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-korea-idUSKBN17A0V5

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    • stella says:
      April 8, 2017 at 11:21 pm

      Facebook chatter:

      =First we meet with Xi and announce he’d agreed to help us bottle upo fatso, then we leak stories about planning to assassiante or disarm him, then we publicly make a show of sending an aircraft carrier there..Looks like he has reason to amscray.

      =Maybe China will offer him sanctuary as it did the king of Cambodia while they plant their designated hitter on the throne there.

      =I think he was told of this 2 days ago and did not object. I understand they have a pitch leader on the sidelines..the son of the half brother of fatso.

      =Surprised he hasn’t already killed every member of his family .

      =Kid was out of reach apparently, not in Korea.

      =So hard to find a decent dictator these days . Just don’t make them like they used to.

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      • stella says:
        April 8, 2017 at 11:55 pm

        Son of Kim Jong-nam Appears to Surface in YouTube Video

        THIS could be the replacement for Kim Jong whosis, the Crazy.

        ADD: His father was murdered, and he is in hiding, probably to prevent his own murder by his uncle. Uncle probably knows that China would like to see him deposed by another family member. In that way, the crazy one would be gone, and the country would remain stable.

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  16. stella says:
    April 8, 2017 at 11:25 pm

    Toddler among several injured after horrific acid attack in London

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/789639/london-islington-acid-attack-toddler-boy

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  17. Wooly Phlox says:
    April 9, 2017 at 12:30 am

    It’s interesting that the in last war we ever definitively won, we never invaded the nation.

    Japan surrendered, and a hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides were saved.

    Nearly every war with boots on the ground we lost. Czar? Are we trying to not win, and just fight forever?

    We learned how to WIN. We haven’t won since. And this is not at all meant to disparage our soldiers, sailors, and airmen. We haven’t won since we had a guy at the chessboard who actually wanted us to win, or could even define the term.

    I hope that’s changed, finally.

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